I'm sitting here listening to a show online where a couple of ministers from one of the sects of the black American version of Islam who is speaking on the 'talking points' of the NOI. Those talking points are 'Christianity is bad' 'The white man's time is over' and 'Negroes are full of foolishness' (I'm paraphrasing here).
They have been using these talking points since the 1950's and 1960's. I'm wondering if these talking points or ideas are still relevant today. I don't see it.
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Are you talking about the Minister Farrakahn-type NOI?? 

Because I've been wondering what his followers are thinking now that he had his 'near death experience' with cancer ... and has changed his conciliatory tune and  suddenly loves everybody now ... wants to unite with 'others' ... yet, continue the quest for Black nationalism??

He seems to have had one of those "Come to Jesus" moments ... and dude really hasn't been the same since!    But is his sudden 'change of heart' flowing down to and taking hold within the ranks of his followers, as well??
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Oh!  But to answer your question ....

Yeah ... I kinda think they are!  I mean ... all that's still kinda true!    It  hasn't been effective ... but, relevant?  Yes, I think there's many of those ideas that Black folks could stand to know ... to learn and then use to their best advantage! 

@ Yemaya

Its been forever since I've posted.  I miss aa.org, but never liked or trusted the livecloud format.

To answer your question, yes the NOI teaching are relevant.  The problem with trying to reduce the NOI into "talking points" is that the authors of such grossly oversimplify what the NOI teaches.  In the worse case, they're completely ignorant of what the NOI teaches.  For example:  the book Message to the Blackman was published in 1965.  However, its comprised largely of articles written in the 1950's.  During that time The Honorable Elijah Muhammad spoke about original nations of the earth accepting Islam (as he taught it).  This includes the Brown, Red, and Yellow nations. 


This isn't a change in direction, its a "pressing forward" with an aspect of the NOI that is simply overlooked.  While the NOI has been identified with the tag of "Black Nationalism" that isn't the language used by the nation.  The nation identifies with the Black Nation and/or Original Nation.  Those are subtle but very real distinctions. The NOI, like all nations and societies, has gone through a maturation process.  Yes the white mans nature is grafted (devil), and yes we believe that Allah (God) visited us in 1930's Detroit, but how we apply that to building a civilization based on Freedom, Justice and Equality changes as the times dictates.  The NOI isn't interested in being "the black version" of a dying world.
I used to buy the Mohammad Speaks newspapers when I was a kid.  i went to Catholic grade school because my mother sent me but I agreed with the NOI about the White man's Christianity.  But I didn't buy into Islam either.

I considered "The White Man is the Devil" business to be silly propaganda at the time but I have a somewhat more complicted perspective now.  There is the saying "Satan is the Prince of LIARS".  The White man isn't the Devil but Satan is his prince.


It just amazes me that so many people believe Stupid Lies for so long.

But that business in Indonesia with people praying in the wrong direction covers religion in general.  LOL

While the NOI has been identified with the tag of "Black Nationalism" that isn't the language used by the nation.

Okay, but ... even though you may not you choose to call it that ... or use that "language" .... isn't that really what it is?  By definition? 

I mean ... it's my understanding that the object here is to bring Black people together, to work together towards progress and uplift, as a "nation" (in a metaphorical, if not literal sense, anyway) ... which, it seems to me, would at least be a form of something that could be termed "Black Nationalism."   No?? 

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