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Originally posted by MidLifeMan:
Very Beautiful. Who is she?


I'm a beautiful sister, however, this is a photo taken from the collection of African models that I keep on my computer. For what its worth, my astrological sign is "Libra," and librans are known to have a strong appreciation for beauty.
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It sadens me that we don't see and/or appreciate this kind of beauty more often. Who determines what is "ugly?"

Where have all the Black models gone? - a supermodel analyzes racist factors in several industries that impact jobs in the media and fashion modeling industry
by Veronica Webb

In the fall of 1994, I shared the cover of YSB with Black male model Clayton Hunter and with Roshumba, who had been featured in the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue three years in a row. I, like more than a few other Black models, would consider the middle of the decade a prime time for us. Our popularity may have had much to do with a flood of media stories indicating that racial and ethnic groups would outnumber Whites by the middle of the twenty-first century.

The fashion, publishing and advertising worlds--the institutions where our desires and dreams are synthesized and sold back to us--were clearly taking notice and action.

More Black models began to grace the pages of fashion magazines, both in advertisement and editorial layouts, and Naomi Campbell's star was shooting into the stratosphere as she clocked a stunning number of covers. In Milan, where runway-show trends begin (because the first international showings are held there each season), Riccardo Gay Model Management had 12 to 16 Black women on the roster for fashion shows. In fact, every show I worked from 1992 to the first season of 1995 had at least seven or eight Black models. Considering that a show usually features 20 or so models, we had an impressive 35- to 40-percent representation. Things really got exciting in 1995, when Tyson Beckford snagged an exclusive contract as the face for top designer Ralph Lauren. Tyson went on last year to be named Male Model of the Year by VH1.

Fast forward to 1996... When the year came in, we went out. Today there is only one Black female model I know of with a major cosmetics contract: Tyra Banks for Cover Girl. As of this writing, Riccardo Gay in Milan has only six Black models in working rotation. And from the Italian runways to the French fashion scene to the catwalks in New York City, there has been a worldwide trend to exclude Black models from fashion shows. Only a few shows for the fall 1996 season included a Black face, and even then in several cases that face could have been mistaken for White. The result: Magazines and newspapers--many of which use pictures from runway shows throughout the year--will have few chances to include us in their pages. And, as it is, we are seldom the focal point of the main fashion layouts in general-market publications. Clearly the Black model is the subject of a damaging and demeaning "disappearing act."

"God made everybody exactly the way She wanted them to be!"
-Singer Rachelle Farrell, Individuality
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Originally posted by Sweetwuzzy:

I don't get it. Confused Confused What bothers you about this thread????

Would you rather have articles about desperate black women looking for black men and bitching over and over again???--- never mind, I know the answer.


Nahhh...there are no pics in this thread with black women.......bent over, with their butt cheeks all over the place.

Roll Eyes

Ohh and before one of you brothas calls me a hata......thats one thing im NOT!

I can hold my own...........trust!! Razz
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Originally posted by Sweetwuzzy:
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Originally posted by RadioRaheem:



I don't get it. Confused Confused What bothers you about this thread????

Would you rather have articles about desperate black women looking for black men and bitching over and over again???--- never mind, I know the answer.


nope, I am just waiting for Rowe to answer my questions about why she has to tell men what beauty is. I pondered if it was a self-esteem problem that she had. She has yet to reply, but returned to this board to do this thread. I hope she is working on that answers to my inquiries. Smile
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Originally posted by qty226:
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Originally posted by Sweetwuzzy:

I don't get it. Confused Confused What bothers you about this thread????

Would you rather have articles about desperate black women looking for black men and bitching over and over again???--- never mind, I know the answer.


Nahhh...there are no pics in this thread with black women.......bent over, with their butt cheeks all over the place.

Roll Eyes

Ohh and before one of you brothas calls me a hata......thats one thing im NOT!

I can hold my own...........trust!! Razz


not true. As you know, I have more than enough of those thread that I started myself. I was responding to Rowe's posting in another thread.
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Originally posted by RadioRaheem:
nope, I am just waiting for Rowe to answer my questions about why she has to tell men what beauty is. I pondered if it was a self-esteem problem that she had. She has yet to reply, but returned to this board to do this thread. I hope she is working on that answers to my inquiries. Smile


I think it just may have something to do with this RadioRaheem...

http://africanamerica.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/40070883/m/5661057663

BTW these sisters are extra beautiful, but I can only imagine how much better loooking they would be with their natural hair texture...
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Originally posted by Rowe:
Sudanese Beauty, Clara Benjamin, by way of London. Clara is a top model who has appeared in Vogue, and many haute couture fashion shows. She is the most sought after for her full pouty lips and distinctive African features.


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There were some African models in a documentary who were talking about how very excited they were when African became popular in Western shows.

But it turned out that although the most outspoken is from a small tribe and unmixed, she had nothing but complaints about their searches.

It turned out that the Western agencies didn't find these African women "African enough." laugh
This is an African-American forum, and so I think celebrating our beauty is appropriate. Hence, the topic title Appreciating Black Beauty. We see evidence of European-Americans appreciating the beauty of White women all the time yet when Black people acknowledge the beauty represented in our community, we're being "ignorant?" Explain this.
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Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:
How is it any different to say that 'black women are the most beautiful women in the world' than it was for Eugen Fischer to claim that white Germans were "the supreme race"?...


How about this...Black women are the most beautiful women in the world because we go through the most, more than any other women on the planet, so therefore our characters are the strongest and most beautiful. In traditional Africa, the concept of beauty is NEVER seperated from one's character.

The more African a women's features are the less the beauty it is acknowledged, a little self agrandizing from us should be tolerated considering how disrespected African features are globally under white supremacy.

I would questions one's motives who is quick to criticize such self agrandizing when I don't see them attacking the white beauty standard(but rather taking actions to comply to it) or white supremacy in general.
I just think it's the media that choose to promote more European features....if your personal preference is to go out with Africans, or darker skinned women than you can do so. Women everyday go through hardships black, white, mixed, whatever so don't play the only black women work hard card its doesn't work. If I think someone is wrong I will stand up and what was said was wrong yes, you can appreciate black beauty go ahead, but don't go saying comments that actually don't make sense... to me I would of done the same if someone had said white women are the best. Its just plain ignorance. Like I said all races have beauty.

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
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Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:
You can appreciate black beauty go ahead, but don't go saying comments that actually don't make sense... to me I would of done the same if someone had said white women are the best. Its just plain ignorance. Like I said all races have beauty.


And appreciating Black beauty is all we've done here sister. There was no mention of Black people, or Black women, being the most of anything. Therefore I am a little concerned about why you are becoming so incredibly defensive and argumentative about us, Black women, acknowledging and appreciating what is beautiful about us. Exactly part of this discussion do find so terribly offensive?: Black women acknowledging themselves as beautiful or Black women not acknowledging that other women are beautiful too?

Whatever the case may be, I do not need to acknowlege and/or appreciate the beauty of other women, if I do not want to. I do what I want to do. And even if I believed that Black women are the most beautiful women on the planet (which I do), that is a perception that belongs to me, not anyone else. If someone should have a problem with it, then that is their problem to solve.
No offence but are you blind? Someone just said black women go through the most so they are the most beautiful in the world? Did you not read that part? And someone also specifically said black women are the most beautiful in the world. Or did you also fail to read that bit also. I am also not being "incredibly" defensive but trying to state a point. But obviously you think I have some kind of vendetta, which I do not, like I said the statements which were said were false and I feel sorry for you if you only have a one opinion mind.
Dizzy Daniella.......

I really dont have a problem with any race, defining their women as beautiful. Its their right, to feel this way.

No one is as beautiful as my mom, aunts, sister, etc.....these are all black women that are not only beautiful on the outside........but they are equally as beautiful on the inside. (So to me, black women are the most beautiful!!)

With that being said........im not too sure if you understand, the perception has always been.......blond, hair, blue eyed women.....are the standard of beauty. This didnt happen yesterday!

This belief was pushed down our throats....partly due to racism. Black women were never considered beautiful.

I really think your issue should be with the media, fashion world, and those that continuously remind us that white women are the prettiest.

Youre a beautiful lady, but lets face it.......you are not the 'standard' of beauty either.

Do you understand?
Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:

No offence but are you blind? Someone just said black women go through the most so they are the most beautiful in the world?

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The thing is, historically (in this country), black women HAVE gone through more than any other race of women. . .this is true by virtue of our history here.

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Did you not read that part? And someone also specifically said black women are the most beautiful in the world.

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Someone 'specifically'... is entitled to their own OPINION--you simply cannot debate OPINION.

Personally, I think black men are the most HANDSOME of all races of men. Does that make me wrong? No, that makes it my 'personal' opinion...which is not up for debate.

I've had very close relationships with white men, there are definitely some nice looking white guys out there. . .however, this observation never changed my opinion of black men or their appeal to me. While I am attracted to men; period--black men are oooooh soooo very very attractive, imo (both physically & mentally). . .moreso than any other race of men.

Brothers have it going on...This is why so many women of all races (from what I've seen) flock to them like bees to honey.

This. . .of course. . .is just my opinion. Smile

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Or did you also fail to read that bit also. I am also not being "incredibly" defensive but trying to state a point. But obviously you think I have some kind of vendetta, which I do not, like I said the statements which were said were false and I feel sorry for you if you only have a one opinion mind.

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder--it's not a matter of having an 'one opinion mind'. . .

. . .everyone is entitled to what 'they' consider 'beauty' regardless of whether this includes all races of women/men are not.

All things are not 'equal' when it comes to a person's perception of beauty, and it really doesn't have to be 'fair.'
Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:

How is it any different to say that 'black women are the most beautiful women in the world' than it was for Eugen Fischer to claim that white Germans were "the supreme race"?...
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Saying that "black women" are the most beautiful women in the world is merely a personal opinion, or a stance. Obviously someone has 'made up' their mind in this area. You cannot prove the person's idea of beauty is 'incorrect'....again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Meanwhile, Eugen Fischer's claim that white Germans were "the supreme race" is an UNSUBSTANTIATED statement, which can be easily disproved & disputed via credible sources.
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Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:
How is it any different to say that 'black women are the most beautiful women in the world' than it was for Eugen Fischer to claim that white Germans were "the supreme race"?...


APPRECIATING OUR OWN BEAUTY TO THE FULLEST IS ALONG THE LINES OF NAZISM? I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE MIXED AND YOU DON'T WANT YOUR WHITE SIDE'S BEAUTY TO GET OVERSHADOWED BUT THIS IS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN FORUM AND SAYING WE ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN WOULDN'T CLASSIFY AS NAZISM TO ME.

DO WHITE MAGAZINES WHO ONLY FEATURE "EUROCENTRIC" TYPE WOMEN AS THE ONLY IMAGE OF BEAUTY FOLLOW IN THE STEPS OF EUGEN FISCHER?
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Originally posted by caribbeanflavored:
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Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:
How is it any different to say that 'black women are the most beautiful women in the world' than it was for Eugen Fischer to claim that white Germans were "the supreme race"?...


APPRECIATING OUR OWN BEAUTY TO THE FULLEST IS ALONG THE LINES OF NAZISM? I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE MIXED AND YOU DON'T WANT YOUR WHITE SIDE'S BEAUTY TO GET OVERSHADOWED BUT THIS IS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN FORUM AND SAYING WE ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN WOULDN'T CLASSIFY AS NAZISM TO ME.

DO WHITE MAGAZINES WHO ONLY FEATURE "EUROCENTRIC" TYPE WOMEN AS THE ONLY IMAGE OF BEAUTY FOLLOW IN THE STEPS OF EUGEN FISCHER?



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Where you been, sista? hat

Getting ready for Spelman? Smile

Please update us...
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by caribbeanflavored:
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Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:
How is it any different to say that 'black women are the most beautiful women in the world' than it was for Eugen Fischer to claim that white Germans were "the supreme race"?...


APPRECIATING OUR OWN BEAUTY TO THE FULLEST IS ALONG THE LINES OF NAZISM? I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE MIXED AND YOU DON'T WANT YOUR WHITE SIDE'S BEAUTY TO GET OVERSHADOWED BUT THIS IS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN FORUM AND SAYING WE ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN WOULDN'T CLASSIFY AS NAZISM TO ME.

DO WHITE MAGAZINES WHO ONLY FEATURE "EUROCENTRIC" TYPE WOMEN AS THE ONLY IMAGE OF BEAUTY FOLLOW IN THE STEPS OF EUGEN FISCHER?



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Where you been, sista? hat

Getting ready for Spelman? Smile

Please update us...


HI HB, I AM OFF TOPIC? OH WAIT, WAIT, YOU MEAN YOU. YEAH, I'VE BEEN FIGHTING WITH SPELMAN SO THEY COULD GIVE ME SOME DAMN MONEY! I WANT MY FINANCIAL AID NOW! Mad
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Originally posted by Fabulous:
While I am attracted to men; period--black men are oooooh soooo very very attractive, imo (both physically & mentally). . .moreso than any other race of men.

Brothers have it going on...This is why so many women of all races (from what I've seen) flock to them like bees to honey.

This. . .of course. . .is just my opinion. Smile

kiss eyes rock

It's so refreshing to read a Sister who doesn't feel the need to give us a hard time... ALL the time.

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All things are not 'equal' when it comes to a person's perception of beauty, and it really doesn't have to be 'fair.'

yeah
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Originally posted by Fabulous:
Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:

How is it any different to say that 'black women are the most beautiful women in the world' than it was for Eugen Fischer to claim that white Germans were "the supreme race"?...
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Saying that "black women" are the most beautiful women in the world is merely a personal opinion, or a stance. Obviously someone has 'made up' their mind in this area. You cannot prove the person's idea of beauty is 'incorrect'....again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Meanwhile, Eugen Fischer's claim that white Germans were "the supreme race" is an UNSUBSTANTIATED statement, which can be easily disproved & disputed via credible sources.

Fab's got a strong point here, Dizzy. Saying that a certain race of people are "beautiful", is a far cry from saying that a certain race of people are "supreme".
Originally posted by Black Viking:
Originally posted by Fabulous:

While I am attracted to men; period--black men are oooooh soooo very very attractive, imo (both physically & mentally). . .moreso than any other race of men.

Brothers have it going on...This is why so many women of all races (from what I've seen) flock to them like bees to honey.

This. . .of course. . .is just my opinion. Smile
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kiss eyes rock

It's so refreshing to read a Sister who doesn't feel the need to give us a hard time... ALL the time.

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Awwwww. . .thank you my brother {{{{Tight Sister hug}}}}}

. . .this sister is not tryna give her brothers a hard time--you are ALL unique in your own way. Those who deserve it--receive it. . .I'm a woman afterall. Smile

However, make no mistake my dear brother--brothers are LOVED. kiss
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:
I just think it's the media that choose to promote more European features....


Oh, and the media has absolutely no influence on our personal preferences right? Please!

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If your personal preference is to go out with Africans, or darker skinned women than you can do so.


First off, I'm a woman. I prefer African men of whatever shade, born wherever. Character is what's most important to me. BTW, you may not know it but you are an African too. I am a light skinned African in Amerikkka. I'm not delususional enough to think that I 'don't' get treated better than my darker sisters. I know I do, and it makes me sick. Anybody who is really for justice and truth would state reality. Dark skinned African women have it the hardest because we live in a society based on white supremacy. I know you might not want to give up your colour privalege, but if you were really all about this 'one love' Pollyanna crap you spew colourism should bother you... So when a thread comes along stating that Dark skinned African/Black women are beautifal you should have absolutely no objection...even though this thread didn't even specify shade. Dang, you got issues.

I'm with caribbeanflavored, I think because you are closer to what is considered the beauty standard(or at least attempting to make yourself appear as such), you aren't comfortable with Black/African beauty being praised. Get over yourself.

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Women everyday go through hardships black, white, mixed, whatever so don't play the only black women work hard card its doesn't work.


Can you read? I didn't say anything about 'working hard'(although that could be argued too) I said that the more African your physical appearance as a women the less this society(global as it is, thanks to imperialism) holds up and/or appreciates your beauty.

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If I think someone is wrong I will stand up and what was said was wrong yes, you can appreciate black beauty go ahead, but don't go saying comments that actually don't make sense...


Actually, I would give that suggestion to you dizzy. Stand up for what is right. Fagunwa was correct. The name fits.

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to me I would of done the same if someone had said white women are the best. Its just plain ignorance. Like I said all races have beauty.


Yah, yah, yah, all people are beautiful, the humane part of me knows that, but the fact is that Black women DO go through the most socially, period. It's called oppression and exploitation. African people the world over are at the bottom of the social ladder because of the white supremacist caste system that slavery and colonization institutionalized to excuse the inhumane acts towards us. It's a fact you can't argue with. Our beauty is the least respected, which is a fact you can't argue with, look around and tell me it isn't true. Actually look in the mirror and do some soul searching.

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All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.


I don't know what planet you are on dizzy, the masses of the planet are born into a system that oppresses, exploits, and dehumanizes. Plenty of people are not 'free' plenty of people do not enjoy basic dignity or human rights. Pollyannas like you erk me.

It would be nice if one day the masses of humanity had brotherhood ect., but that is not how it is now, and pretending it is that way isn't going to make it that way anytime soon.

BTW, since everyone is so equally beautiful and every race's features are equally appreciated, why do you have a straight weave? I saw you avatar/photo...why are you trying to remove some of your 'Africaness' since we are all so lovely and the media doesn't effect our personal preferences? Why isn't your naturally nappy hair 'good enough' to wear? and don't give me that crap that it is just a 'style'.
"BTW, since everyone is so equally beautiful and every race's features are equally appreciated, why do you have a straight weave? I saw you avatar/photo...why are you trying to remove some of your 'Africaness' since we are all so lovely and the media doesn't effect our personal preferences? Why isn't your naturally nappy hair 'good enough' to wear? and don't give me that crap that it is just a 'style'."


yikes! Roll Eyes


I have family members who espouse similar rhetoric, and yet I often 'over hear' them talking about 'how black' someone is, or 'how bad'someone's hair is/was.

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