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This is an African-American forum, and so I think celebrating our beauty is appropriate. Hence, the topic title Appreciating Black Beauty. We see evidence of European-Americans appreciating the beauty of White women all the time yet when Black people acknowledge the beauty represented in our community, we're being "ignorant?" Explain this.
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Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:
How is it any different to say that 'black women are the most beautiful women in the world' than it was for Eugen Fischer to claim that white Germans were "the supreme race"?...


How about this...Black women are the most beautiful women in the world because we go through the most, more than any other women on the planet, so therefore our characters are the strongest and most beautiful. In traditional Africa, the concept of beauty is NEVER seperated from one's character.

The more African a women's features are the less the beauty it is acknowledged, a little self agrandizing from us should be tolerated considering how disrespected African features are globally under white supremacy.

I would questions one's motives who is quick to criticize such self agrandizing when I don't see them attacking the white beauty standard(but rather taking actions to comply to it) or white supremacy in general.
I just think it's the media that choose to promote more European features....if your personal preference is to go out with Africans, or darker skinned women than you can do so. Women everyday go through hardships black, white, mixed, whatever so don't play the only black women work hard card its doesn't work. If I think someone is wrong I will stand up and what was said was wrong yes, you can appreciate black beauty go ahead, but don't go saying comments that actually don't make sense... to me I would of done the same if someone had said white women are the best. Its just plain ignorance. Like I said all races have beauty.

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
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Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:
You can appreciate black beauty go ahead, but don't go saying comments that actually don't make sense... to me I would of done the same if someone had said white women are the best. Its just plain ignorance. Like I said all races have beauty.


And appreciating Black beauty is all we've done here sister. There was no mention of Black people, or Black women, being the most of anything. Therefore I am a little concerned about why you are becoming so incredibly defensive and argumentative about us, Black women, acknowledging and appreciating what is beautiful about us. Exactly part of this discussion do find so terribly offensive?: Black women acknowledging themselves as beautiful or Black women not acknowledging that other women are beautiful too?

Whatever the case may be, I do not need to acknowlege and/or appreciate the beauty of other women, if I do not want to. I do what I want to do. And even if I believed that Black women are the most beautiful women on the planet (which I do), that is a perception that belongs to me, not anyone else. If someone should have a problem with it, then that is their problem to solve.
No offence but are you blind? Someone just said black women go through the most so they are the most beautiful in the world? Did you not read that part? And someone also specifically said black women are the most beautiful in the world. Or did you also fail to read that bit also. I am also not being "incredibly" defensive but trying to state a point. But obviously you think I have some kind of vendetta, which I do not, like I said the statements which were said were false and I feel sorry for you if you only have a one opinion mind.
Dizzy Daniella.......

I really dont have a problem with any race, defining their women as beautiful. Its their right, to feel this way.

No one is as beautiful as my mom, aunts, sister, etc.....these are all black women that are not only beautiful on the outside........but they are equally as beautiful on the inside. (So to me, black women are the most beautiful!!)

With that being said........im not too sure if you understand, the perception has always been.......blond, hair, blue eyed women.....are the standard of beauty. This didnt happen yesterday!

This belief was pushed down our throats....partly due to racism. Black women were never considered beautiful.

I really think your issue should be with the media, fashion world, and those that continuously remind us that white women are the prettiest.

Youre a beautiful lady, but lets face it.......you are not the 'standard' of beauty either.

Do you understand?
Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:

No offence but are you blind? Someone just said black women go through the most so they are the most beautiful in the world?

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The thing is, historically (in this country), black women HAVE gone through more than any other race of women. . .this is true by virtue of our history here.

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Did you not read that part? And someone also specifically said black women are the most beautiful in the world.

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Someone 'specifically'... is entitled to their own OPINION--you simply cannot debate OPINION.

Personally, I think black men are the most HANDSOME of all races of men. Does that make me wrong? No, that makes it my 'personal' opinion...which is not up for debate.

I've had very close relationships with white men, there are definitely some nice looking white guys out there. . .however, this observation never changed my opinion of black men or their appeal to me. While I am attracted to men; period--black men are oooooh soooo very very attractive, imo (both physically & mentally). . .moreso than any other race of men.

Brothers have it going on...This is why so many women of all races (from what I've seen) flock to them like bees to honey.

This. . .of course. . .is just my opinion. Smile

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Or did you also fail to read that bit also. I am also not being "incredibly" defensive but trying to state a point. But obviously you think I have some kind of vendetta, which I do not, like I said the statements which were said were false and I feel sorry for you if you only have a one opinion mind.

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder--it's not a matter of having an 'one opinion mind'. . .

. . .everyone is entitled to what 'they' consider 'beauty' regardless of whether this includes all races of women/men are not.

All things are not 'equal' when it comes to a person's perception of beauty, and it really doesn't have to be 'fair.'
Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:

How is it any different to say that 'black women are the most beautiful women in the world' than it was for Eugen Fischer to claim that white Germans were "the supreme race"?...
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Saying that "black women" are the most beautiful women in the world is merely a personal opinion, or a stance. Obviously someone has 'made up' their mind in this area. You cannot prove the person's idea of beauty is 'incorrect'....again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Meanwhile, Eugen Fischer's claim that white Germans were "the supreme race" is an UNSUBSTANTIATED statement, which can be easily disproved & disputed via credible sources.
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Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:
How is it any different to say that 'black women are the most beautiful women in the world' than it was for Eugen Fischer to claim that white Germans were "the supreme race"?...


APPRECIATING OUR OWN BEAUTY TO THE FULLEST IS ALONG THE LINES OF NAZISM? I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE MIXED AND YOU DON'T WANT YOUR WHITE SIDE'S BEAUTY TO GET OVERSHADOWED BUT THIS IS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN FORUM AND SAYING WE ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN WOULDN'T CLASSIFY AS NAZISM TO ME.

DO WHITE MAGAZINES WHO ONLY FEATURE "EUROCENTRIC" TYPE WOMEN AS THE ONLY IMAGE OF BEAUTY FOLLOW IN THE STEPS OF EUGEN FISCHER?
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Originally posted by caribbeanflavored:
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Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:
How is it any different to say that 'black women are the most beautiful women in the world' than it was for Eugen Fischer to claim that white Germans were "the supreme race"?...


APPRECIATING OUR OWN BEAUTY TO THE FULLEST IS ALONG THE LINES OF NAZISM? I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE MIXED AND YOU DON'T WANT YOUR WHITE SIDE'S BEAUTY TO GET OVERSHADOWED BUT THIS IS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN FORUM AND SAYING WE ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN WOULDN'T CLASSIFY AS NAZISM TO ME.

DO WHITE MAGAZINES WHO ONLY FEATURE "EUROCENTRIC" TYPE WOMEN AS THE ONLY IMAGE OF BEAUTY FOLLOW IN THE STEPS OF EUGEN FISCHER?



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Where you been, sista? hat

Getting ready for Spelman? Smile

Please update us...
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by caribbeanflavored:
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Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:
How is it any different to say that 'black women are the most beautiful women in the world' than it was for Eugen Fischer to claim that white Germans were "the supreme race"?...


APPRECIATING OUR OWN BEAUTY TO THE FULLEST IS ALONG THE LINES OF NAZISM? I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE MIXED AND YOU DON'T WANT YOUR WHITE SIDE'S BEAUTY TO GET OVERSHADOWED BUT THIS IS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN FORUM AND SAYING WE ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN WOULDN'T CLASSIFY AS NAZISM TO ME.

DO WHITE MAGAZINES WHO ONLY FEATURE "EUROCENTRIC" TYPE WOMEN AS THE ONLY IMAGE OF BEAUTY FOLLOW IN THE STEPS OF EUGEN FISCHER?



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Where you been, sista? hat

Getting ready for Spelman? Smile

Please update us...


HI HB, I AM OFF TOPIC? OH WAIT, WAIT, YOU MEAN YOU. YEAH, I'VE BEEN FIGHTING WITH SPELMAN SO THEY COULD GIVE ME SOME DAMN MONEY! I WANT MY FINANCIAL AID NOW! Mad
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Originally posted by Fabulous:
While I am attracted to men; period--black men are oooooh soooo very very attractive, imo (both physically & mentally). . .moreso than any other race of men.

Brothers have it going on...This is why so many women of all races (from what I've seen) flock to them like bees to honey.

This. . .of course. . .is just my opinion. Smile

kiss eyes rock

It's so refreshing to read a Sister who doesn't feel the need to give us a hard time... ALL the time.

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All things are not 'equal' when it comes to a person's perception of beauty, and it really doesn't have to be 'fair.'

yeah
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Originally posted by Fabulous:
Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:

How is it any different to say that 'black women are the most beautiful women in the world' than it was for Eugen Fischer to claim that white Germans were "the supreme race"?...
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Saying that "black women" are the most beautiful women in the world is merely a personal opinion, or a stance. Obviously someone has 'made up' their mind in this area. You cannot prove the person's idea of beauty is 'incorrect'....again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Meanwhile, Eugen Fischer's claim that white Germans were "the supreme race" is an UNSUBSTANTIATED statement, which can be easily disproved & disputed via credible sources.

Fab's got a strong point here, Dizzy. Saying that a certain race of people are "beautiful", is a far cry from saying that a certain race of people are "supreme".
Originally posted by Black Viking:
Originally posted by Fabulous:

While I am attracted to men; period--black men are oooooh soooo very very attractive, imo (both physically & mentally). . .moreso than any other race of men.

Brothers have it going on...This is why so many women of all races (from what I've seen) flock to them like bees to honey.

This. . .of course. . .is just my opinion. Smile
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kiss eyes rock

It's so refreshing to read a Sister who doesn't feel the need to give us a hard time... ALL the time.

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Awwwww. . .thank you my brother {{{{Tight Sister hug}}}}}

. . .this sister is not tryna give her brothers a hard time--you are ALL unique in your own way. Those who deserve it--receive it. . .I'm a woman afterall. Smile

However, make no mistake my dear brother--brothers are LOVED. kiss
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dizzy_Daniella:
I just think it's the media that choose to promote more European features....


Oh, and the media has absolutely no influence on our personal preferences right? Please!

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If your personal preference is to go out with Africans, or darker skinned women than you can do so.


First off, I'm a woman. I prefer African men of whatever shade, born wherever. Character is what's most important to me. BTW, you may not know it but you are an African too. I am a light skinned African in Amerikkka. I'm not delususional enough to think that I 'don't' get treated better than my darker sisters. I know I do, and it makes me sick. Anybody who is really for justice and truth would state reality. Dark skinned African women have it the hardest because we live in a society based on white supremacy. I know you might not want to give up your colour privalege, but if you were really all about this 'one love' Pollyanna crap you spew colourism should bother you... So when a thread comes along stating that Dark skinned African/Black women are beautifal you should have absolutely no objection...even though this thread didn't even specify shade. Dang, you got issues.

I'm with caribbeanflavored, I think because you are closer to what is considered the beauty standard(or at least attempting to make yourself appear as such), you aren't comfortable with Black/African beauty being praised. Get over yourself.

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Women everyday go through hardships black, white, mixed, whatever so don't play the only black women work hard card its doesn't work.


Can you read? I didn't say anything about 'working hard'(although that could be argued too) I said that the more African your physical appearance as a women the less this society(global as it is, thanks to imperialism) holds up and/or appreciates your beauty.

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If I think someone is wrong I will stand up and what was said was wrong yes, you can appreciate black beauty go ahead, but don't go saying comments that actually don't make sense...


Actually, I would give that suggestion to you dizzy. Stand up for what is right. Fagunwa was correct. The name fits.

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to me I would of done the same if someone had said white women are the best. Its just plain ignorance. Like I said all races have beauty.


Yah, yah, yah, all people are beautiful, the humane part of me knows that, but the fact is that Black women DO go through the most socially, period. It's called oppression and exploitation. African people the world over are at the bottom of the social ladder because of the white supremacist caste system that slavery and colonization institutionalized to excuse the inhumane acts towards us. It's a fact you can't argue with. Our beauty is the least respected, which is a fact you can't argue with, look around and tell me it isn't true. Actually look in the mirror and do some soul searching.

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All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.


I don't know what planet you are on dizzy, the masses of the planet are born into a system that oppresses, exploits, and dehumanizes. Plenty of people are not 'free' plenty of people do not enjoy basic dignity or human rights. Pollyannas like you erk me.

It would be nice if one day the masses of humanity had brotherhood ect., but that is not how it is now, and pretending it is that way isn't going to make it that way anytime soon.

BTW, since everyone is so equally beautiful and every race's features are equally appreciated, why do you have a straight weave? I saw you avatar/photo...why are you trying to remove some of your 'Africaness' since we are all so lovely and the media doesn't effect our personal preferences? Why isn't your naturally nappy hair 'good enough' to wear? and don't give me that crap that it is just a 'style'.
"BTW, since everyone is so equally beautiful and every race's features are equally appreciated, why do you have a straight weave? I saw you avatar/photo...why are you trying to remove some of your 'Africaness' since we are all so lovely and the media doesn't effect our personal preferences? Why isn't your naturally nappy hair 'good enough' to wear? and don't give me that crap that it is just a 'style'."


yikes! Roll Eyes


I have family members who espouse similar rhetoric, and yet I often 'over hear' them talking about 'how black' someone is, or 'how bad'someone's hair is/was.

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