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HeruStar:
The only ILLS against homosexuals are the ones they put on themselves in order to recruit people and confuse them....THATS the ill. For one thing, homosexuality is not a specific group of people, but behavior practiced by any people via the influence and deception or molestation of others, just like any other sexual activity. And nothing makes them any different except their ridiculous propaganda that everyone seems to be falling for.

How anyone can rationalize defining someone's illicit sexual behavior as a "cause" is beyond me. My only understanding of this injustice is that like so many other social activities that become popular, homosexuality has grown in it's practice as it is spread in the prisons and by Europeans (who probably gave it to the prisoners) and so on to those they come into contact with and convince to entertain them such as defenseless children that end up being robbed of proper development into healthy heterosexual minded men.

Much is this delusional "sexuality" is in the mind and habitual, and anything outside of heterosexuality is about as natural as sniffing glue. Although designed for heterosexuality, humans can be corrupted by outside influences and engage in various other unwholesome sexual activities that have unhealthy social consequences they seem to lose sight of once addicted. These unwholesome culturally retarding practices include sex with animals, children, and the same sex. The fact people engage in these practices in no way makes them appropriate behavior deserving of being defended whatsoever. If anything needs defending it's the mental and physical health of those being tricked and hoodwinked into practicing that crap.

Ricardo... nono
I'm all for peace but you are not fooling ME! I am only concerned about the truth and what's good and right. So long as that homo stuff is seen for what it is I'm fine. But I can't stand idly by and not care that someone is spreading such harmful and deceptive propaganda and just ignore it. In fact, if telling the truth will help salvage some future manhood I'm all for it. Homosexual offspring won't be around to divide in a generation or so anyway since they don't reproduce, right Whitey. Isn't that what you folks want? ....Deceiving blacks into annihilating themselves?

Peace
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and by the way, no gay black dude has ever come at me and said"Kevin I understand your plight as a heterosxual black male", so why in the hell should I be so concerned about his on the BASIS he is a homosexual black male? Puleeeze..........


I don't think you are fully reading my comments. Because that has not been said at all. I have said you should feel comraderie with any other Black person, regardless of their sexual orientation. YOU stated that you have no use for nor interest in Black men who are gay. I believe you told them they should not march for civil rights and should march for gay rights instead because you had nothing in common with them.

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and the word "MY" does not mean collective in anyone's dictionary so you can save all that "spokesman for black america schit you spit at me


Heh. Excuse me while I pull out the world's smallest violin, to play a woeful tune for poor Kevin41, dragged continually and consistently into thread after thread about gay issues so he can proclaim how much they are not his issues to address and how he doesn't care anything about the topic at hand. What exactly do you think you have been writing in these threads if you don't have an opinion on things one way or the other?? I do believe they call subjective comments, your opinion on the matter. Own it.

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I think your issues are very important. However sometimes I feel like they are inappropriate (which I accept as my opinion). What I think the underlying concern here is the amount of posts about gays. I think all the gay posts dilute the afrocentrism.


bang This is just... disheartening. This continual line in the sand that is drawn with Black on one side and Gay on the other.

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I'm a self-proclaimed homophobe.


Are you proud of this? Do you not put it on par with being a "self-proclaimed racist" or a "self-proclaimed sexist" or a "self-proclaimed xenophobe?" ek

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There is exactly one gay related thread, out of a total of 50 threads, on the front page of the ISSUES & POLITICS. You claim that that one thread is keeping you from responding to the other 49 threads (not to mention thousands of other threads on older pages).


thanks
Well Frenchy,

Call it what the hell you like...I said BEFORE I was expressing my opinion on the matter (which you are not in charge of regulating) and AGAINi'm not for or against gays.......I am neutral on the issue....if they had an issue on the ballot, I would not vote on it at all....if I had a stance against them....i'd vote against them, plain and simple.......now you can interpret what the hell you like from it...but I do not argue with people about myself and obviously my previous speaking style has not dawned on you. I do not mince words or window dress my speaking for no one....so don't flatter yourself with that hidden meaning bulschit. You continue to make an issue of what I said....so to put it bluntly.....if I was gay I wouldn't give a f-k what you thought of it. I am not gay and do not give a f-k what you think of it. If I had something against gays i'd damn sure say I did not like their azzes or that bullschit they believe in and still would not give a f-k what you thought....in those exact terms....and if I favored their agenda I would say so....literally.....so save the unecessary extra azz interpretation of my words.....I meant what the f-k I said and I said what the f-k I meant.......now I hope that makes things clear....and if that is a song, then break out the gotdamn violin.....and play until your azz falls off.....damn....you just GONNA make my azz stand for what the hell you are observing huh? since when in the hell did people be able to argue with someone else about themselves? Like I got to lie to anybody's azz in here.....for any reason...puleeze.....that is crazy.....
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I don't think you are fully reading my comments. Because that has not been said at all. I have said you should feel comraderie with any other Black person, regardless of their sexual orientation. YOU stated that you have no use for nor interest in Black men who are gay. I believe you told them they should not march for civil rights and should march for gay rights instead because you had nothing in common with them.



**Think about the concept of telling someone what they should feel comraderie with...puleeze..I hate black conservatives....should I bond with them also because they may be heterosexual? Hell no....sexual orientation is not an issue of concern to me....I still feel that black people like myself got more to worry about than who hops in the sack with who....just like heterosexual people do not consult me when they get ready to do their things...homosexuals do not either....and to me....for the 80th time....what someone does in their bedroom is not my business...unless they are my mate.....period...i'm more concerned with educational and professional opportunity as a means to eradicating widespread poverty and associated social ills...most other issues are gibberish to me..and that is a choice I have.....just like others with their key issues.........and more power to everyone...may they get what THEY are seeking.......
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Are you proud of this? Do you not put it on par with being a "self-proclaimed racist" or a "self-proclaimed sexist" or a "self-proclaimed xenophobe?"


Proud no. I just aknowledge an internal issue. Should I keep quiet about it? Maybe.

Maybe I'm confused on the definition of homophobe. I don't hate gay people. I don't discriminate against gay people. I don't make it a point to go out of my way to oppress gays. I'm just uncomfortable with their presence. Especially the flamers.
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
Kevin41, I am finished having this conversation with you.



You should have been finished, instead of trying to make someone believe as YOU say they believe...but since I couldn't convince you diplomatically, I had to be blunt about it...nothing personal, I just do not argue the point about myself....i know what i truly believe....because I am on the inside looking out.....you are on the outside looking in......but no conversation does beat having a f-ked up one.....so i'm kool on it also.........
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Originally posted by kresge:
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
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Originally posted by shemika:

Isn't that what you folks want? ....Deceiving blacks into annihilating themselves?


OK, I give up! giveup

You are certifiably insane. sck bang

Might I suggest the possibility of self-hating and/or experiencing "gay panic."


nonoFirst of all, I said exactly what I meant and have no problem with my identity, so speak for your self, don't try and project onto me.


I stand for what I believe in and won't be labeled. I disagree that people hiding behind the "homosexual" label to brand them selves are helpless against practicing this illicit sexual behavior....Just like I would disagree with those practicing bestiality being helpless to resist doing so. I also respect gender identity...what can I tell you? Anyone who doesn't respect it that's their problem, don't hate those who refuse to be brainwashed along with the masses.
What Does the Bible Really Say About Gays?
Compiled by the DiversityInc staff

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© 2005 DiversityInc.com
July 19, 2005

Justin R. Cannon, a student at liberal Earlham College, thinks he knows. In an online analysis, Cannon argues that the Bible does not condemn faithful same-sex relationships. Cannon, whose work, "The Bible, Christianity and Homosexuality," has prompted e-mails from pastors, Bible-study teachers and seminary professors, among others, is just one part of a multi-pronged attack against conservative Christians who think the Scripture denounces gay relationships. Cannon and his allies argue that both the Old and New Testaments have been interpreted to reject homosexuality totally, but only certain offenses (registration required) are condemned, such as male prostitution and a breach of hospitality (the real "sin of Sodom").



In pushing antigay Christians to rethink their ideas of homosexuality, argues Los Angeles Times columnist Michael McGough, Cannon and the other "revisionists are doing the Lord's work "” literally, because Jesus said a great deal about love and nothing at all about homosexuality."
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
What Does the Bible Really Say About Gays?
Compiled by the DiversityInc staff

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© 2005 DiversityInc.com
July 19, 2005

Justin R. Cannon, a student at liberal Earlham College, thinks he knows. In an online analysis, Cannon argues that the Bible does not condemn faithful same-sex relationships. Cannon, whose work, "The Bible, Christianity and Homosexuality," has prompted e-mails from pastors, Bible-study teachers and seminary professors, among others, is just one part of a multi-pronged attack against conservative Christians who think the Scripture denounces gay relationships. Cannon and his allies argue that both the Old and New Testaments have been interpreted to reject homosexuality totally, but only certain offenses (registration required) are condemned, such as male prostitution and a breach of hospitality (the real "sin of Sodom").



In pushing antigay Christians to rethink their ideas of homosexuality, argues Los Angeles Times columnist Michael McGough, Cannon and the other "revisionists are doing the Lord's work "” literally, because Jesus said a great deal about love and nothing at all about homosexuality."


Jesus specifically stated in Matthew 19:4-6 that the meaning of marriage is the joining together of a man and a woman. He also stated throughout scripture that fornication is sinful (fornication includes ALL sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman as he defined it). 1 Corinthian 6:9-11 as well Romans 1:21-29 clearly indicate the fallacy of homosexuality. I believe in going to the source instead of looking for some quack to make excuses. Those people define LOVE as looking the other way at harmful conduct. The love Jesus preached about was indeed about forgiving your enemies, but he called sinful behavior what it is and required his followers to repent and turn away from the conduct. Condoning harmful behavior is certainly NOT love. Even a decent parent who loves their children would not be foolish enough to permit them to engage in harmful behavior just because the children weren't capable of recognizing it as such. That's real heart

Romans 1
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient

Hunt For Arsonist After Gay Club Torched


by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff

July 18, 2005 5:00 pm ET



(Fayetteville, Arkansas)
Police and fire officials in Fayetteville, Arkansas are hunting for the person who torched the community's only gay club.

Studio 716 was destroyed by the blaze. The club was fully engulfed in flames when fire crews arrived shortly after 7:00 am a Fayetteville fire official said.

Investigators say it appears the fire was set inside the building. It is the second at the club in the past four weeks. A June 26 fire that damaged an exterior wall of the building and also has been ruled as arson.

The club's Web site has been updated with a message thanking customers for their support and calls the fire "an unprovoked attack".

The message goes on to say "We will not let this destroy the [Northwest Arkansas] community ... This is a time for the gay & lesbian community to stand together."

Investigators say it appears the fire spread quickly and it was lucky the club was not open at the time.

Meanwhile the investigation continues into a fire at a gay-supportive church in Middlebrook, Virginia. (story) The FBI has joined local fire investigators to probe the blaze at St. John's Reformed United Church of Christ.

The church was badly damaged and anti-gay graffiti was found on the outside of the building. The July 9 fire came just days after the United Church of Christ endorsed a resolution July 4 endorsing same-sex marriage. The resolution was not binding on the denomination's 1.3 million members. (story)

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/07/071805arkArson.htm
NO ESCAPE - Male Rape in U.S. Prisions
PRISONERS' VOICES

"” M.P, Arkansas, pro se federal civil rights complaint filed 8/2/96
Most of the prisoners who rape are spending from 5 to life. And are part of a gang. They pick a loner smaller weaker individual. And make that person into a homosexual then sell him to other inmates or gangs. Anywhere from a pack of cigarettes to 2 cartons . . . . No one cares about you or anyone else. If they show kindness or are trying to be helpful, it is only because they want something. And if there offering you protection you can guarantee that there going to seek sexual favors. . . . When an inmate comes in for the first time and doesnt know anyone. The clicks and gangs. Watch him like Wolves readying there attacks. They see if he spends time alone, who he eats with. Its like the Wild Kingdom. Then they start playing with him, checking the new guy out. (They call him fresh meat.)

"” A.H., Indiana, 8/30/96
If a person is timid or shy or as prison inmates term him "Weak," either mentally or physically, he stands to be a victim of physical and/or sexual assault.

"” R.B., Colorado, 9/1/96
I am giving you a breif description of the incient's i have suffered from while I've been in this institution. To begin with on Aug 1, 1996 Approx: 12:30 pm i was housed in E building i went to the officials on duty about a problem i was having with two (2) inmate's but it was disreguard. Than around and about Aug 16, 1996 i was sexual assaulted by the same two (2) inmate's. I was then taking to the medical department in cristeanna hospital for treatment. It's a big Rumor that one inmate has Aid's.

"” T.A., Delaware, 9/2/96
I was raped in prison from Feb 1991 through Nov 1991. From that it left me HIV positive.

"” K.S., Arkansas, 9/4/96
I have been sexually assaulted twice since being incarcerated. Both times the staff refused to do anything except to lock me up and make accusations that I'm homosexual and that if I pursue legal action they'd ship me and both times they did.

The rapes seem to be for two main reasons. 1. They hurt, someone must pay. 2. Being deprived of consensual sex, and self-centered, any hole will do. Power, control, revenge, seem to top the "reasons" for rape. The person assaulted is either seen as weaker, or gang banged if seen as stuck up kind of person. You know, refuses to swear, actually admits he is guilty, is seeking help etc. . . . I have yet to hear of an inmate being charged in court with sexual assault of an inmate. Have you? If just one was found guilty, got more time, things would change.
"” D.A., Nebraska, 9/6/96

Third Case Of Arson Against Gays In Month


by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff

July 25, 2005 12:01 am ET



(Brownsville, Texas)
A gay club in Brownsville, Texas has been gutted by fire - the third case of arson hitting a gay venue in three states over the past three weeks.

The Heart Rock Club sustained heavy damage when fire raced through the building Sunday. Police say that the club's interior was vandalized and several cans of gasoline were poured on furniture to fuel the fire.

Police have listed the blaze as a hate crime.

The club had closed for the night several hours before the fire began. If the club had been open and packed with people, as it was most Saturday nights, no one would have gotten out of the windowless cement block building alive a police official said.

Club owner Sylvia Armente called the fire an attack on the entire Brownsville's gay community. "What else could it be?" Armente told the Brownsville Herald.

When the club opened on May 20, with a 25-foot gay pride flag over its doorway, Armente said she hoped to "create an environment where people can enjoy themselves and not hide who they are."

Armente told the Herald that the club had not received any specific threats but had endured a few random acts of vandalism in the past.

Last week, fire destroyed the only gay club in Fayetteville, Arkansas in what police there also are calling arson. (story)

Studio 716 was destroyed by the blaze. The club was fully engulfed in flames when fire crews arrived and investigators said it appeared the fire was set inside the building. It was the second at the club. A June 26 fire damaged an exterior wall of the building and also has been ruled as arson.

On July 9, fire damaged a gay-positive church in Middlebrook, Virginia. Police said the arsonist had scrawled a message on the exterior of St. John's Reformed United Church of Christ saying that UCC members were sinners.

The United Church of Christ endorsed a resolution July 4 endorsing same-sex marriage. The resolution was not binding on the denomination's 1.3 million members. (story)

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/07/072505txArson.htm
Men Charged with Sex Assault of Boy

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Police are looking for more young boys who may have been assaulted by two men charged Monday with sexually assaulting a 13-year-old runaway they met through a telephone chat line.

Thomas Luce, 46, of Independence, was charged with one count of statutory sodomy, and Juan Chester, 39, of Kansas City, faces two counts of the same charge. Both men told police they are infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

Authorities are investigating claims by one of the men that the two might have had sex with as many as 25 other boys. Independence police are looking for other victims or anyone with more information about the two men.

Luce, a registered sex offender in Jackson County for sexual misconduct, and Chester were being held on $250,000 bond. Police said Luce left nude photos of himself at a bus stop in the late 1990s and inscribed his phone number on the photos.

The 13-year-old was found hiding in the bathtub at Luce's apartment around 12:30 a.m. Sunday. The boy's mother had reported him missing on Thursday, a couple of days after he had disappeared. Police said the boy has a history of running away.

Officers were led to Luce's apartment after the boy called a friend, who gave the victim's mother the number that showed up on the telephone's caller ID.

When the boy was found, police said, he acted "frightened and paranoid."

The boy told police he had been forced to watch the men have sex with each other, then he was made to have sex with them. He told police he had been threatened not to tell anyone about the incident.

Independence police said the boy met the men through an area phone chat line and agreed to meet them Saturday at a Kansas City public library.

Police said the men might have met other local youths through the phone chat line, but they didn't know how long the two had been using the system.

"Parents need to pay attention to what their children are doing," Independence police spokesman Bill Pross said. "Kids need to be especially wary of adults who want to hang out with them."

Mom Pleads Guilty to Hosting Sex Parties



Mon Jul 25, 6:29 PM ET

GOLDEN, Colo. -
A woman who told police she wanted to be a "cool mom" pleaded guilty to sexual assault charges Monday for having sex with high school boys at parties where authorities said she supplied drugs and alcohol.

Silvia Johnson, 40, pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts of sexual assault and nine felony counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. As part of a plea agreement, prosecutors dropped two counts of distribution of methamphetamine.

"She described herself as a `cool mom,'" Detective R.J. Vander Veen wrote in the affidavit. He said Johnson told investigators "she was never popular with classmates in high school and now began `feeling like one of the group.'"

Prosecutors did not recommend a sentence, but each sexual assault count carries up to two years in prison, and each count of contributing to the delinquency of a minor carries up to six years, district attorney's spokeswoman Pam Russell said.

Johnson, who is free on bail, held parties for the boys almost weekly between October 2003 and October 2004, authorities said. She was accused of providing drugs and alcohol to eight boys and having sex with five of them.

Police said the investigation began after one of the boys told his mother about the encounters, and she reported it to authorities.
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Originally posted by shemika:
Men Charged with Sex Assault of Boy

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Police are looking for more young boys who may have been assaulted by two men charged Monday with sexually assaulting a 13-year-old runaway they met through a telephone chat line.

Thomas Luce, 46, of Independence, was charged with one count of statutory sodomy, and Juan Chester, 39, of Kansas City, faces two counts of the same charge. Both men told police they are infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

Authorities are investigating claims by one of the men that the two might have had sex with as many as 25 other boys. Independence police are looking for other victims or anyone with more information about the two men.

Luce, a registered sex offender in Jackson County for sexual misconduct, and Chester were being held on $250,000 bond. Police said Luce left nude photos of himself at a bus stop in the late 1990s and inscribed his phone number on the photos.

The 13-year-old was found hiding in the bathtub at Luce's apartment around 12:30 a.m. Sunday. The boy's mother had reported him missing on Thursday, a couple of days after he had disappeared. Police said the boy has a history of running away.

Officers were led to Luce's apartment after the boy called a friend, who gave the victim's mother the number that showed up on the telephone's caller ID.

When the boy was found, police said, he acted "frightened and paranoid."

The boy told police he had been forced to watch the men have sex with each other, then he was made to have sex with them. He told police he had been threatened not to tell anyone about the incident.

Independence police said the boy met the men through an area phone chat line and agreed to meet them Saturday at a Kansas City public library.

Police said the men might have met other local youths through the phone chat line, but they didn't know how long the two had been using the system.

"Parents need to pay attention to what their children are doing," Independence police spokesman Bill Pross said. "Kids need to be especially wary of adults who want to hang out with them."

Ephebophiles and/or pedophiles who act out should receive harsh punishment, whatever the sexual orientation of the perpetrators.
Fourth Anti-Gay Arson In July...

Gay men's home burns, with epithet left behind



Chris Roberton (left) and Paul Day on Thursday inspect damage to their mobile home from a fire and look over the epithet painted on their steps.

By Kelly Griffith and Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted July 29, 2005


Paul Day and Christopher Robertson knew life as gay men in Polk County could be rough. They had been called names and taunted by neighborhood teens before.

Day, 25, said he even had a mailbox riddled with shotgun pellets once when living near the Green Swamp in the north part of the county.

The couple never thought it would get so bad as Monday, when they returned home from errands to find their house in Kings Manor Mobile Home Park in Lakeland torched and the words "Die Fag" spray-painted on the front steps.

Statewide, though, there is an upward swing in the amount of violence reported toward people because of their sexual orientation. In the latest state report, for instance, hate crimes based on orientation accounted for a higher percentage of all hate crimes than ever before.

Monday's case is an arson with burglary, Lakeland Fire Department spokeswoman Cheryl Edwards said. But officials remain tight-lipped about the investigation.

The fire had "multiple points of origin," Edwards said.

Day said someone apparently poured a flammable substance all over the carpet and torched it.

The home, which just had three months of renovations completed, is in ruins, Day said. The damage is estimated at $15,000.

Many belongings, including electronics, were stolen.

Day and Robertson have called Polk County home for most of their lives. As early as high school, Day said he knew he was gay and identified himself openly. Problems with other people, though, have plagued him. He said he called the authorities three times for such incidents as rocks thrown at his home and a shot-riddled mailbox when living in north Polk County.

"Between Tampa and Orlando, it's just a void," Day said of the Lakeland area. "It's a different world. Very behind the times."

Added Robertson, 23: "For the past six months, I've been saying, 'I want to move; I want to move.' I don't want to be here anymore. It's stressing me out."

When Day moved to the mobile-home park a couple of years ago, he said it didn't take long for trouble to begin. He said a group of teens and young adults sometimes taunted him as he checked his mail.

"I tried to not associate with people here," said Day, who works at an auto-parts store in Auburndale. "We've just tried to stay to ourselves."

Edwards wouldn't say if fire investigators are considering the arson and burglary a hate crime. But the law defines such a crime as one in which the victim is intentionally picked based on race, color, religion, ethnicity, ancestry, national origin, sexual orientation, advanced age or mental or physical disabilities.

There is no separate criminal charge for hate crimes -- it is an enhancement of a charge, said Chip Thullbery of the State Attorney's Office in Polk County.

The state attorney general's latest annual report on hate crimes for 2003 shows a clear increase in reported incidents motivated by the victim's sexual orientation, Attorney General Charlie Crist has said.

The number of such incidents statewide accounted for 20 percent of all hate crimes in 2003, the highest proportion for this category ever recorded in Florida.

Law enforcement in metro Orlando reported about 50 hate crimes overall in 2003.

Patrick Jones, 40, of Equality Polk County, an organization devoted to human-rights issues, said he thinks things are getting worse in the area for gay and lesbian people, whether actual crimes are reported or not.

He thinks those with anti-gay attitudes are more apt to push boundaries than they used to be, but those who are repelled by such -- including gays and lesbians -- aren't prone to get involved to speak out unless they are personally affected.

"They think nothing's going to happen, 'so let's see what we can get away with,' " said Jones, who is running for an open Lakeland City Commission seat in November.

Experts in hate crimes agree, saying incidents reported to law enforcement only represent a small piece of the picture.

There was about a 26 percent spike in violence or harassment reports involving gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered people during the second half of 2003, according to Clarence Patton of the National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs, which collects data from agencies and nonprofits around the country that deal with violence.

Many of those incidents would not be classified as hate crimes. He thinks the landmark Supreme Court decision involving sexual relations between two gay men in June 2003 and the ensuing political season in which gay marriage was a theme played a role in the timing of the increase.

He said his organization also has seen a spat of arson cases such as the burning of gay bars in Brownsville, Texas, on Sunday and another in Fayetteville, Ark., earlier this month.

"It's a little terrifying, I have to tell you," he said.

Kelly Griffith can be reached

at kgriffith@orlandosentinel.com

or 863-422-5908. Amy L. Edwards

can be reached at 863-422-3395

or aledwards@orlandosentinel.com.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orl-locgayburning29...l=orl-news-headlines
"EPIDEMIC OF HATE CRIMES?"

THE FRAUDULENT CLAIM THAT HOMOSEXUALS ARE VICTIMIZED BY AN "EPIDEMIC OF HATE CRIMES"

This Homosexual Urban Legend is used by homosexuals to lobby for state and federal hate crime laws that provide enhanced penalties for crimes committed against homosexuals. Therefore,a person who assaults a homosexual will receive a stiffer penalty than a person who assaults a heterosexual for the same crime.

FBI statistics show that there are actually very few "hate crimes" committed against homosexuals in the United States. Yet homosexuals claim they need federal legislation passed to protect them from what they maintain is an epidemic of hate against them.

In 1998, there were 16,914 murders committed. Of those, 13 were considered hate crimes. The victims were all men, as were their killers. Four of these murders were committed against homosexuals. So out of 16,914 murders in 1998, only four were considered to be hate crimes directed against homosexuals.



MANY PEDOPHILES ARE ATTRACTED TO WOMEN, MARRY, AND HAVE CHILDREN

Gay activists insist that pedophilia has nothing to do with homosexuality because pedophiles are only sexually interested in children, whereas homosexuals only have sexual relations with adults. We have already seen that this stereotypical view is not correct with regard to homosexuals. There is also abundant evidence demonstrating that, while primarily interested in children, pedophiles nevertheless exhibit a wide variety of sexual behaviors, including relationships with women:

"¢ A study in Child Abuse and Neglect found
that 48 percent of the offenders either were
married or had been married at some time.

"¢ The Journal of Interpersonal Violence
studied the sexual preferences of male
pedophiles who sexually abused children.
When they compared the sexual response of
the pedophiles with the control group, they
found, unexpectedly: "Surprisingly, the two
groups did not differ in their response to
the nude female stimuli."

"¢ A study in the Psychiatric Journal of the
University of Ottawa reported that "most of
the middle-aged pedophiles have had
significant adult sexual activity." Fifty-
eight percent of the pedophiles in one study
had at least one child, while other research
indicated that "more than two-thirds of the
married pedophiles in their sample had
children, with an average of two to three
children per subject."

"¢ A report by the Department of Justice
addressed the devious stratagems of
pedophiles, who will go to great lengths to
conceal their true desires: "Preferential
sex offenders may be 'pillars of the
community' and are often described as 'nice
guys.' They almost always have a means of
access to children (for example, through
marriage, neighborhood, or occupation.)"

Thus, the evidence shows that homosexual pedophiles cannot be narrowly defined as individuals who are solely attracted to underage boys. In fact there is considerable overlap between homosexuality and pedophilia.
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Originally posted by shemika:

In 1998, there were 16,914 murders committed. Of those, 13 were considered hate crimes. The victims were all men, as were their killers. Four of these murders were committed against homosexuals. So out of 16,914 murders in 1998, only four were considered to be hate crimes directed against homosexuals.


Shemika,

Not to imply that I put a grain of salt in statistics that somebody like you might produce, but just for the sake of the arguement, let us suppose that your statistics are representative of all hate crimes.

You claim that out of all murders in 1998, there were only 13 hate crimes total. Of those 13 murderous hate crimes, 4 were against gays.

What you are saying, then, is that, 4/13, that is, 30.8% of all hate crimes resulting in murder are hate crimes against gays!!!

Eek Eek Eek

I really had no idea that the figures were so high!

FBI investigates anti-gay arson in Va.


Nazi group advocates targeting gay-friendly churches



St. John's United Church of Christ was burned and vandalized shortly after the UCC voted to support same-sex marriage rights. St. John's is the third Virginia UCC congregation targeted in recent months. (Photo by Jeremy Bigwood)

By Eartha Jane Melzer
Friday, July 29, 2005

MIDDLEBROOK, Va. "”
FBI officials confirmed this week that the agency is investigating an arson attack on a gay-friendly church in this rural Shenandoah Valley town.

Lawrence Barry, chief division counsel for the Richmond FBI office, said the investigation into the arson and vandalism at St. John's Reformed United Church of Christ is ongoing and details remain confidential.

St. John's was burned on July 9 just days after the UCC's national conference passed a resolution backing same-sex marriage equality. The text of the messages spray painted on the church seemed to refer to that issue.

"The fact that it was destruction of property and that it was clear that it was targeted because it was a church gave us jurisdiction," Barry said.

St. John's is the third Shenandoah Valley UCC church intentionally damaged in recent months.

"Two other attacks came after we launched the ˜God is Still Speaking campaign'," said Chuck Currie, a St. Louis-based UCC minister who maintains a blog on UCC issues.

The "Still Speaking" campaign included a commercial depicting a church welcoming gays. The ad was rejected by NBC and CBS last year, Currie said, after the networks decided it had a political, rather than religious, message.

Although many UCC members believe that the earlier Virginia attacks were also motivated by the church's pro-gay policies, only the Middlebrook case is currently under investigation by the FBI.

"I think there is a direct correlation between the rhetoric that has been unleashed by the political and religious right comparing [gay and lesbian] sexuality to murder or other violent crimes, Currie said, this gives people the political and theological cover to attack gay people and the churches that welcome them."

In 2003, the most recent year for which data is available, the FBI investigated 284 hate crimes at places of worship. Of those, 34 were found to be motivated by race, 227 by religion, 11 by sexual orientation and 12 by ethnicity or national origin, according to Steve Kodak, a spokesperson for the FBI's national office.

Generally, church arsons are down, Kodak said, and the FBI's Arson Task Force, which was formed after a rash of church arsons in the 1990s, was disbanded in 2001.

In cases in which no one was physically hurt, the Church Arson Prevention Act of 1996 provides for one year in jail for those found guilty of damaging religious property because of the religious characteristics of that property.

Barry acknowledged that a pattern of anti-gay violence might be difficult for law enforcement to detect because the FBI does not follow cases motivated by anti-gay bias.

The state of Virginia also lacks a statute with specific provisions for dealing with crimes motivated by anti-gay bias.

Barry said that if someone is charged with the Middlebrook arson, it is not clear where that person would be tried because state law often provides stiffer penalties for arson.

J.D. Underwood, acting supervisor for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms office in Roanoke, Va., said that arson investigations often take years.

After the Middlebrook attack, the News Virginian, a Waynesboro, Va. newspaper, published a story about the responses of three white supremacist groups to the arson.

In that story, Bill White, a Virginia-based spokesperson for the National Socialist Movement, also known as America's Nazi party, condemned the arson but said that he understood how the actions of the United Church of Christ could provoke such a reaction.

White told the Blade that he believes homosexuality is a mental illness, and that the UCC is a "heretic" church. "Their encouragement of homosexuality is simply a modern extension of their 200-plus-year history of anti-social, anti-white and anti-Southern activities," White said.

Earlier this summer, White wrote that "taking on" liberal churches should be a top priority for area Nazis.

http://www.newyorkblade.com/2005/7-29/news/national/fbi.cfm
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Those aren't my statistics. I don't necessarily believe in statistics because I know they are mostly all calculated by self serving whites. The statistics for homosexuals are much more likely to be exaggerated to support their interests– I've seen how homosexuals look for people who've been murdered, possibly for reasons that have nothing to do with homosexuality, and try to make it appear to be because the person was homosexual. Although the person may not have even been a homosexual or the murder had nothing to do with them being homosexual, they are so desperate to justify their position they'll slander and misrepresent dead people who can't speak for themselves.

But rarely will whites acknowledge or attempt to collect accurate data concerning the racist crimes and hate based murders of blacks because it doesn't stand to benefit their interests as in the case of homosexuality. Many of them practice homosexuality to some extent, and most would prefer seeing homosexuals depicted as the oppressed ones rather then validate the ongoing racist attacks and infractions committed against blacks. None of the murders committed against blacks by racist police are even counted as hate crimes - although they occur on a regular basis. I often hear of mobs of racist crackas chasing down a black person while calling them the ˜n' word, sometimes leading to their death, and other such accounts, yet these are not counted as hate crimes by the authorities....Which goes to show how worthless any of these statistics are where blacks are concerned.

Once when I was renting an apartment a racist dyke who was in cahoots with some of the racist staff in the complex used their skeletal key to go into my apartment and vandalize my property after calling me a homophobe and the ˜n' word...I know it was her because I often caught her casing my apartment, she was like a stalker and got angry because I didn't return her interest. When I reported it to the police they would not consider it a hate crime or even document it as I reported it, and the media sure as hell wasn't interested. Yet they are willing to document and embellish a hang nail as long as it's reported by a proclaimed homosexual.
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Originally posted by shemika:
Those aren't my statistics. I don't necessarily believe in statistics because I know they are mostly all calculated by self serving whites. The statistics for homosexuals are much more likely to be exaggerated to support their interests– I've seen how homosexuals look for people who've been murdered, possibly for reasons that have nothing to do with homosexuality, and try to make it appear to be because the person was homosexual. Although the person may not have even been a homosexual or the murder had nothing to do with them being homosexual, they are so desperate to justify their position they'll slander and misrepresent dead people who can't speak for themselves.


Actually, a trip to google easily reveals exactly where it is that you get your information from, dispite the fact that you declined to put in a link.

You copied your informtion from here:
http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/four.php

So, first we had Lofton trolling hate sites like Stormfront ( http://www.stormfront.com ) to find his "facts" to post here, and now we have you trolling hate sites like the Traditional Values Coalition ( http://traditionalvalues.org/ ) to find your "facts" to post here, in your continuing quest to disrupt this bullitin board.
Funny how you ignored the the lack of acknowledgement of hate crimes committed against blacks. Your only concern is on preserving the credibility of your homosexual advocacy campaign.

If anyone is disrupting the site it's you with your lies and deception. Your arrogance precedes you! I didn't know this was a homosexual advocacy site.

So what about where the information came from; you aren't MY authority! The Values site got too close to home for you didn't it? Someone needs to bring some sober mindedness and balance to your one sided rhetoric.

Although I'm not necessarily in alliance with them, sites like the Values one are the only ones left who haven't sold out to the pro homosexual crusade and I'm sure that's the only reason you wish to shut them up. You are really just out for promoting your own views and arrogantly defy any opposition. Your interest in anything else is merely a front and you know it. You're the real hater; you're a hater of truth and purveyor of lies and deception. And it's too bad so many blacks can't recognize it for what it is.
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Funny how you ignored the the lack of acknowledgement of hate crimes committed against blacks. Your only concern is on preserving the credibility of your homosexual advocacy campaign.


Ummm...I'm not the one who posted from a diatribe against Hate Crime Legislation, from an organization seeking to minimize hate crimes. You are.

http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/four.php

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If anyone is disrupting the site it's you with your lies and deception. Your arrogance precedes you! I didn't know this was a homosexual advocacy site.

So what about where the information came from; you aren't MY authority! The Values site got too close to home for you didn't it? Someone needs to bring some sober mindedness and balance to your one sided rhetoric.

Although I'm not necessarily in alliance with them, sites like the Values one are the only ones left who haven't sold out to the pro homosexual crusade and I'm sure that's the only reason you wish to shut them up. You are really just out for promoting your own views and arrogantly defy any opposition. Your interest in anything else is merely a front and you know it. You're the real hater; you're a hater of truth and purveyor of lies and deception. And it's too bad so many blacks can't recognize it for what it is.


You accuse me of spreading hate, but are never able to find a quote from my posts.

Yet, you come here to AA.org from the start, posting your hateful filth that you get from your precious Traditional Values Coalition website.

No, the Traditional Values Coalition that you think so highly of is not about to sell out their racist, homophobic, right wing extremist constituency. You are certainly correct about that. What they sell is hate and lies, which you soak up and spread here.
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Here's just a sample of some of the "Truth" offered by your precious Traditional Values Coalation, whose hate you continually spread around here at AA.org.

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"The reparations scam is simply another in a long line of shakedowns that Black liberals have created as a way of taking money away from hardworking Americans to put into the hands of those who refuse to work. There is absolutely no reason why taxpayers living in the 21st century should be forced to pay out cash for something that occurred in the 19th century. Yet the Black shakedown artists don't care. They see millions of dollars of free money available to them, and they'll use whatever con game they can to get that money."

Rev. Louis P. Sheldon
Chairman, Traditional Values Coalition


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Shemika,

Are you curious what the "Truth" is regarding the intimidation of Black voters in Florida in the 2000 election?

Well, your precious Traditional Values Coalition has the "Truth".

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Jesse Jackson's Intemperance May Spark Street Riots


Washington, DC --
Americans regardless of their racial background should rise up and condemn the irresponsible comments made by Rev. Jesse Jackson after Monday's Supreme Court hearings on the Florida election. In his remarks to reporters, Jackson said blacks will go into the streets to do whatever it takes to discredit George W. Bush. Jackson is very close to inciting a race riot over this election.

Prior to the Court ruling, The Washington Times quoted Jackson as predicting that there would be a "civil rights explosion" if the Court ruled in favor of Bush. Well, the Court has spoken and I am fearful that Jackson's remarks may result in violence in the streets.

I am concerned about the other inflammatory and race-baiting comments Jackson made to reporters. In one remark, Jackson openly accused Florida Gov. Jeb Bush of orchestrating the intimidation of black voters in Florida.

Jackson made these accusations without any proof and then compared Florida to Yugoslavia and George W. Bush to Yugoslavian dictator Milosevic. These are absurd comparisons and racist in their intent.

In an interview with Fox News reporter Rita Cosby, Jackson charged that President-elect Bush could preside as our nation's leader, ". . . but not govern because he took this by Nazi tactics."

When asked about Jackson's remarks, Black Republican Congressman J.C. Watts responded, "I think it is irresponsible. I think that language in my opinion is too strong for the difficulty our nation finds itself in right now."

Those who follow Jesse Jackson should take him to task for encouraging a race riot in our nation's capital. This kind of talk does nothing but divide races and further polarize our nation.

Decades ago, a fine Black leader named Booker T. Washington, author of the inspiring autobiography, Up From Slavery, wrote prophetic words about men like Jesse Jackson. He warned his fellow Blacks about "Problem Profiteers." These are ". . . a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs--partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs."

I agree with the viewpoint expressed by Rev. Jesse Peterson, a black pastor who operates B.O.N.D. (Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny), an inner city ministry in Los Angeles.

Rev. Peterson has been a long-time critic of Jackson's racial agitation and has frequently condemned his divisive actions. In fact, Peterson sponsors an annual "Repudiation of Jesse Jackson" day in Los Angeles.

According to Peterson, Rev. Jackson is a "Problem Profiteer," and a "?black racist and an apostle of dictatorship. He offers no genuine hope for Americans of goodwill, black or white."

Rev. Jackson poses a serious threat to racial harmony in this nation. His actions in Florida and in Washington, D.C., prove that he is far more interested in causing racial division than in bringing about harmony. Calling on Blacks to riot in the streets is not conducive to racial reconciliation.

Or is Jackson really more interested in profiting from class warfare and racial animosities? Anyone who observes Rev. Jackson for very long already knows the answer to that question.

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=176
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sites like the Values one are the only ones left who haven't sold out


Shemika,

Your precious Traditional Values Coalition certainly didn't sell out their racist, homophobic, right wing extremist constituency when they defended Trent Lott's racist comments in support of Strom Thurman's 1948 Presidential bid.

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Trent Lott Apologizes For Off-the-Cuff Remarks


Summary: Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott's (R-MS) off-the-cuff comments at Senator Strom Thurmond (R-SC) 100th birthday celebration have been taken totally out of context by both conservatives and liberals on Capitol Hill.

In his remarks, Lott said that he was proud that Mississippi had gone for Thurmond during his failed bid for the presidency in 1948. Thurmond had run as a Dixiecrat and was opposed to integration at the time. Members of the Black Caucus and civil rights leaders seized upon Lott's statement as code for racism and have demanded his resignation as Senate leader.

Family Research Council leader Ken Connor issued a press release on December 10, condemning Lott's comments. According to Connor, "Words matter, despite what may have been in Sen. Lott's mind when he spoke. And the senator's words, in the ears of black Americans, sound unmistakably like a repudiation of desegregation and the civil rights movement."

TVC Chairman Rev. Louis P. Sheldon expressed concern over Connor's comments. He notes that this entire celebration was in the form of a "roast" of Thurmond and that the comments made by a variety of politicians were made in jest.

"I am sorry that Ken Connor did not call Trent Lott to get to the bottom of the statement. He fired at him"”another Christian brother"”without talking to him. This is is not the Christian way to approach a disagreement."

Rev. Sheldon continued: "We do not want to condemn Senator Lott because of political correctness and this whole birthday party was nothing but a roast and a time of joking and ad libbing about things that normally would be considered serious. Practically all of the participants did that."

Lott has since apologized several times for his comments. In an interview with Sean Hannity of Fox News, Lott said: "The words were terrible and I regret that, and you know, I can almost say that this was a mistake of the heard, not of the heart, because I don't accept those policies of the past at all."

Outgoing black Congressman J.C. Watts (R-OK) agrees that Lott's comments "went too far" but "I took his comments as complimentary humor that often accompanies personal tributes."

Numerous Democrats and Republicans have come to Senator Lott's defense, including the following:

Sen. Arlen Specter, (R-PA), said Lott's comment should be accepted as an ``inadvertent

slip and his apology should end the discussion.'' ...``I know Trent Lott very well from working with him in the Senate for the last 14 years and can vouch for the fact that he is no supporter of Senator Thurmond's 1948 platform,'' Specter said.

''I understand a lot of Democrats and liberals generally have had a hard time recently in trying to come up with an issue,'' said Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona, a member of the new Senate Republican leadership. ''What is disappointing to me is that they are willing to pick something to try to smear somebody rather than engage in some legitimate debate about the economy or national security.''

''Any intimation that those old wounds should be reopened is unhelpful and unwelcome,'' Representative Tom DeLay said. ''I've worked with Trent Lott for years, and he's always been focused on moving our country forward.''

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ): "I've known Trent Lott for over 20 years and I know he doesn't hold any segregationist views and he clearly did not mean words like that in that fashion. Having said that, I myself speaking from personal experience and having misspoken on a few occasions during my 20 years in public life, Trent Lott should apologize and -- to anyone who he has offended and then we can move on."

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT): "It was unfortunate. I know he was probably trying to be humorous." Hatch, noting that he had never "seen one indication" of Lott "supporting racist or segregationist views," added: "All of us make dumb statements from time to time"

Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) said "Lott's apology should be accepted," but "he needs to demonstrate through actions that he is concerned about the well-being of all Americans"
Sen. John Breaux (D-LA) said Lott's comments "were something he 'should have apologized for, and he has.'"

Ex-Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL), who was at Thurmond's party, "leapt to Lott's defense" and called his office 12/11 "to volunteer to speak in defense of" Lott. Simon: "I've worked with Martin Luther King Jr. and been at the forefront of civil rights legislation. If I thought it was serious, I'd be denouncing it. But I think it's being taken way out of context, and that's not being fair to Trent."

Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., said he did not think Lott was a racist. Graham said he accepted Lott's explanation that he had been over exuberant in praising Thurmond, not secretly desirous of segregation.

For more on this story, go to: GOP defends Lott's intent -- The Washington Times

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=672
Shemika,

I was browsing the website of your precious Traditional Values Coalition, where I learned about a dangerous Fifth Column in US society, and even the military.

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Black Muslims: A Fifth Column Inside The United States?

In 1936, a Spanish Nationalist General was poised outside of Madrid waiting with four columns of troops to take back the city from Communist (Republican) forces. When General Emilio Mola Vidal was asked which of the four columns would seize the city, he replied, "The Fifth." When asked to explain what he meant, he told his subordinates that the Fifth Column was a group of his loyalists inside of Madrid who would help him subvert and overthrow the Communists who held control.


In viewing America's worldwide war on terrorism and our efforts to protect our homeland from another 9-11 attack, many political analysts are expressing grave concerns over Black Muslims serving as a Fifth Column here in the United States-and within our military.

We understand that most Muslims in the United States are loyal citizens and would do nothing to undermine our nation during a time of war. However, there is a radical contingent of Islamists operating in the U.S. who are willing to provide aid and comfort to our enemies. Black Muslim leaders like Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam, for example, have publicly expressed their hatred of America-and could easily function as a Fifth Column inside the U.S.

We may have seen this Fifth Column at work at the 101st Airborne's Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait City on March 23, 2003. During the night, Sgt. Asan Akbar is alleged to have tossed several grenades into the tents of senior officers. Two officers were killed and 15 were wounded. Akbar is a Black Muslim who was being kept back from the front lines because his superior officers were concerned about his anti-war attitudes.

The Los Angeles Times (March 24, 2003) reported that shortly after Akbar was captured, he shouted at his fellow soldiers: "You guys are coming into our countries and you're going to rape our women and kill our children." Clearly, Akbar identified with Muslim terrorist nations rather than with his own country and fellow soldiers. Akbar's terrorism and treason against his own men and nation may be the beginning of more serious problems for our nation and our military.

One think tank has expressed grave concerns over Akbar and what other Black Muslims might do as we fight Islamic terrorism. The Center for Security Policy, headed by Frank J. Gaffney, a former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy during the Reagan Administration, recently published an essay on Akbar and the threat that Black Muslims may pose to our national security.

In "'Fifth Column' within the U.S. armed forces," published on March 25, 2003, a Center analyst wrote: The murderous insider attack in the 101st could be the precursor for a far larger and more dangerous problem, both for the military and for American society more generally. That problem is the "fifth column" that is developing inside the United States and its institutions.

In a related article on the Black Muslim fifth column, published earlier by the Center, the author noted that Asan Akbar attended the Masjid Bilal Islamic Center in South Central Los Angeles. This mosque is predominately black and was funded by the Saudi Arabian government. According to WorldNetDaily (April 22, 2002), the Saudis provided $8 million for the Masjid mosque and another $295,000 for a school. In total, the Saudis have spent as much as $19 billion to build mosques and spread Wahhabism-the Islamic fundamentalism espoused by terrorist and murderer Osama bin Laden.

Black Muslim Paranoia And Hatred

The Masjid Bilal Islamic Center is associated with the Chicago-based Muslim American Society (MAS), which is an offshoot of the Nation of Islam (NOI) headed by Louis Farrakhan. MAS is headed by Imam W. Deen Mohammed, the son of NOI founder Elijah Muhammad. Mohammed had fought for control of NOI after his father's death, but lost to Farrakhan. He later founded MAS.

The Muslim American Society web site has alarming articles against our war on terror and includes an essay entitled "Israel: America's Shame and Humanity's Stain." The author, Mohamed Khodr, claims that most of our American institutions are controlled by Jews and that President Bush is a pawn of Zionists and the religious right (Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham, etc.) "...whose aim is to kill Jews, Muslims, and anyone else, to bring back the 'Prince of Peace.' Thus, their plan for salvation is paved with war, death, and blood." Khodr claims that the Jewish control of our government gives Israel "a free hand to drench the soil of peace in the Holy Land with Arab Christian and Muslim blood."

According to Khodr, our war on terrorism to liberate Iraq from the dictatorship of Saddam Hussein is designed to enrich the oil interests of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and to provide billions for the military industrial complex. If this is the kind of religious instruction that Asan Akbar received at his South Central Los Angeles mosque, it is little wonder that he fragged his fellow soldiers who were going to war against Saddam Hussein.

The Muslim American Society and the Nation of Islam preach hatred against Israel and are opposed to our nation's war against terrorism. The MAS has aligned itself with the Communist front organization known as International Answer (Act Now To Stop War & End Racism). ANSWER is run behind the scenes by the Workers World Party, a Communist group that supports North Korea. A MAS representative participated in an anti-war rally on September 4, 2002 and the group continues to oppose our war efforts.
MAS has published a lengthy document, "War in Iraq: Guidelines for American Muslim Leaders," that outlines the organization's opposition to our effort to rid the world of tyrants and Islamic terrorists. According to Islamist expert Daniel Pipes, MAS founder W. Deen Mohammed and Louis Farrakhan reconciled with each other in February, 2000, and have vowed to work together on common goals ever since then.

Nation Of Islam

Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan has long been associated with terrorists and nations that sponsor terrorism. He embarked on a "World Friendship Tour" in 1996 that included visits to several states that sponsor terrorism: Libya, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, and Syria. During this tour, he denounced the United States as the "Great Satan." Farrakhan's good friend, Libyan dictator Muammar Gadhafi, said this about their meeting: Our confrontation with America used to be like confronting a fortress from outside. Today, we have found a loophole to enter the fortress and to confront it. On this basis, we agreed with Louis Farrakhan and his delegation to mobilize in a legal and legitimate form the oppressed minorities, and at their forefront the blacks, Arabs, Muslims, and Red Indians, for they play an important role in American political life and have weight in the U.S. elections. (Reuters, January 26, 1996)
Farrakhan is far more racist than is MAS founder Mohammed, but their overall goals are the same: the spreading of their peculiar brand of Islam among our nation's black population. This effort is going on in our nation's public housing projects as well as in prisons-where alienated black criminals are converting to Islam in increasing numbers.

We also face a potential threat of radicalized, anti-American Black Muslims within our military's chaplaincy program. According to the Center for Security Policy, as of June, 2002, nine of the military's 14 Muslim chaplains received their training at the Graduate School of Islamic and Social Sciences (GSISS) in Leesburg, Virginia.

In March of 2002, a federal task force called "Operation Green Quest" raided the offices of GSISS, along with 23 other Muslim groups. Agents also raided the homes of Dr. Iqbal Unus, the Dean of Students and Dr. Taha Al-Alwani, the school's president. According to the search warrants issued at the time, these groups were raided for "potential money laundering and tax evasion activities and their ties to terrorist groups such as ... al Qaeda as well as individual terrorists...(including) Osama bin Laden." The GSISS was raided because of its suspected ties to the World and Islam Studies Enterprise, a terrorist front group established by former University of South Florida professor Sami Al-Arian who was arrested in February, 2003 for being a leader in the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

The fragging of American soldiers by a Black Muslim in Kuwait City could be an aberration, but the teaching that Black Muslims receive creates a mindset that is predisposed to hate America, whites, and any war against Muslim terrorists. Daniel Pipes has expressed alarm over this incident. He says the Asan Akbar terrorist attack re-enforces what he said in January, 2003: There is no escaping the unfortunate fact that Muslim government employees in law enforcement, the military and the diplomatic corps need to be watched for connections to terrorism, as do Muslim chaplains in prisons and the armed forces. Muslim visitors and immigrants must undergo additional background checks. Mosques require a scrutiny beyond that applied to churches and temples.

Clearly, we face not only an external threat but an internal one from a dangerous, hate-filled Fifth Column.

For additional resources on Black Muslims and Islamic terrorism, access Daniel Pipes' web site: www.danielpipes.org; and The Center for Security Policy: www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org.

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=825
FIRST OF ALL YOU NEED TO READ WHAT I WROTE INSTEAD OF TWISTING IT TO DIVERT FROM THE REAL ISSUE AT HAND!!!

You are a liar who hears what YOU want to hear and repeats the opposite of what was said for you own agenda. I THINK FOR MYSELF. I did not get my values from that site and only visited that particular site once before I posted. Sadly where whites are concerned it's always one extreme or the other, but they are ALL out for themselves and thats the main thing you all have in common. As I said in my original post, they are correct about what they stated about homosexuals but because they are white, just like your self, the bottom line is they are only looking out for their own interest .

While you pretend to be a friend of blacks you are just as hateful toward them as the Klan, but you want to use the civil rights movement to advance the homosexual crusade so you play them for that cause...with yourludicrous word intimidation game tactics like 'hate' and 'homophobic' which I don't buy into.

Now who's spamming, huh? You put all that junk out there to cover up what I actually wrote and the truth you're trying to disguise.

And by the way, I've been treated just as nasty and contemptuous by flaming gays out in the real word as any other so called 'whites', most all of you play the skin game regardless whether your sexual preference is for women, children, livestock, etc., or all of the above.
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Those aren't my statistics. I don't necessarily believe in statistics because I know they are mostly all calculated by self serving whites. The statistics for homosexuals are much more likely to be exaggerated to support their interests– I've seen how homosexuals look for people who've been murdered, possibly for reasons that have nothing to do with homosexuality, and try to make it appear to be because the person was homosexual. Although the person may not have even been a homosexual or the murder had nothing to do with them being homosexual, they are so desperate to justify their position they'll slander and misrepresent dead people who can't speak for themselves.

But rarely will whites acknowledge or attempt to collect accurate data concerning the racist crimes and hate based murders of blacks because it doesn't stand to benefit their interests as in the case of homosexuality. Many of them practice homosexuality to some extent, and most would prefer seeing homosexuals depicted as the oppressed ones rather then validate the ongoing racist attacks and infractions committed against blacks. None of the murders committed against blacks by racist police are even counted as hate crimes - although they occur on a regular basis. I often hear of mobs of racist crackas chasing down a black person while calling them the ˜n' word, sometimes leading to their death, and other such accounts, yet these are not counted as hate crimes by the authorities....Which goes to show how worthless any of these statistics are where blacks are concerned.

Once when I was renting an apartment a racist dyke who was in cahoots with some of the racist staff in the complex used their skeletal key to go into my apartment and vandalize my property after calling me a homophobe and the ˜n' word...I know it was her because I often caught her casing my apartment, she was like a stalker and got angry because I didn't return her interest. When I reported it to the police they would not consider it a hate crime or even document it as I reported it, and the media sure as hell wasn't interested. Yet they are willing to document and embellish a hang nail as long as it's reported by a proclaimed homosexual.
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Originally posted by shemika:

I did not get my values from that site and only visited that particular site once before I posted. Sadly where whites are concerned it's always one extreme or the other, but they are ALL out for themselves and thats the main thing you all have in common. As I said in my original post, they are correct about what they stated about homosexuals but because they are white, just like your self, the bottom line is they are only looking out for their own interest .


Shemika,

You quoted the Traditional Values coalition as one of the few websites that hasn't sold out. You commended them for bringing sober mindedness and balance to the discussion.

Your rhetoric since you arived here at AA.org has been identical with the hate spewed by the Traditional Values Coalition. You pasted their stuff directly into your comments.

But now, you've only visited their website once! Hah! Too funny!

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While you pretend to be a friend of blacks you are just as hateful toward them as the Klan, ...


I wonder how long it will be before you start posting anti-gay hatred that you copy and paste from some KKK website? You're the one who is in agreement with the KKK on the topic, not me.

But then, after you get caught, you'll no doubt claim that you only visited the KKK website once, also, huh?

Vilification and Violence


By Mark Potok, Editor

Intelligence Report

Southern Poverty Law Center

Are gay men and lesbian women "perverts"? Do they have "filthy habits" that lead inexorably to bestiality, incest and prostitution? Are they intent on purposely spreading sexual diseases? Destroying Christianity? "Recruiting" youngsters in our public schools and "converting" them against nature to homosexuality?

The jihadists of the fundamentalist religious right say yes. These prominent Christian leaders, many of whom head gigantic ministries, are sure of it.

Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell, who once raised funds off a "Declaration of War" on homosexuality, calls gays and lesbians "brute beasts" and says they are "part of a vile and satanic system [that] will be utterly annihilated."

Traditional Values Coalition founder Lou Sheldon, who once suggested isolating victims of aids in "cities of refuge," says they are "deviants" who "target children for recruitment" to gay sex, cross-dressing and sex-change operations.

Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson, who once warned of tornadoes and earthquakes hitting Orlando, Fla., if Disney World didn't cancel "Gay Day," says that allowing gays to serve in the military gives "preferred status to evil."

But science suggests these men are wrong.

The Straight Facts

Nothing in the legitimate scientific literature supports the notion that homosexuality is a "perversion" or a mental illness. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of Social Workers have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. It needs no cure.

Similarly, there is absolutely no evidence "” save the shrill and oft-repeated claims of the anti-gay movement's leaders "” that homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to molest children. In fact, the best available science suggests that children raised by gay couples are no worse off, and in some ways may be better developed, than their peers in heterosexual households. The "studies" often cited by anti-gay leaders have been shown repeatedly to be based on junk science.

Even the notion that the Bible unswervingly condemns homosexuality is open to debate. Many scholars believe that several key passages actually are denouncing orgies and prostitution "” or in the case of the town of Sodom, inhospitality "” and not homosexuality.

There are two Old Testament passages that do appear to condemn homosexual acts, one of them calling for the death penalty. But they both show up amid a long list of religious prohibitions, including eating pork and wearing mixed fabrics, that have been abandoned by almost all contemporary Christians.

Demonizing Gays

In this issue, the Intelligence Report takes a look at the religiously based crusade against homosexuals in America "” a "thirty years war," as the story points out, that has intensified since the U.S. Supreme Court struck down state anti-sodomy statutes in the 2003 Lawrence decision. Key points in the report include the religious right's repeated use of bogus "science" and the bully-boy tactics of its leaders.

These leaders angrily rebut charges that their cruel name-calling "” public descriptions of gays as "perverts," "child molesters," "deviants" and "evil" people "” has led anyone to violence. They say they "hate the sin, but love the sinner."

That is a hard one to swallow. When perpetrators of hate crimes against gays use identical words to describe their victims, you have to wonder where it began.

When Lou Sheldon reportedly tells a journalist that if given the chance gay men will kidnap people's sons and convert them to gay sex, it's hard not to recall the infamous "blood libel" against the Jews "” the accusation that Jews kidnap Gentile children, kill them and drain them of blood to be used in making matzohs.

When religious leaders describe gays as voracious sexual beasts trying to "recruit" in the schools, it's difficult to forget the way that 19th century racists ranted about "lust-crazed" and "demonic" black men intent on raping white women.

Fundamentalist Christians have every right to their views of religion. But when they use that right to launch vicious personal attacks on an entire group based on characteristics that most scientists see as immutable, they poison the political debate and subject the objects of their scorn to the very real possibility of violence and even death. And that can only damage a healthy democratic society.


Intelligence Report
Spring 2005

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=521
I see you can go on forever with your pro homosexual rhetoric, constantly contradicting yourself with the bottom line always coming down to advocacy of your stance on homosexuality at the expense of everyone else's freedoms not to. Homosexuality is a practice that people engage in no different then many other activities and in no way does the fact that people engage in such activities make them appropriate. And yes, people have the right to have and state their values concerning social activity, which has nothing to do with how blacks (who are a people) were kidnapped, enslaved, and oppressed to this day...and continue to be exploited by the likes of YOU, who because of your arrogant self-righteousness, feel at liberty to define black peoples reality for them. Often via the use of white washed, fake azz science and psychology rhetoric, in which whites get to play god and redefine what's right and wrong in line with their own interests. Just like slavery was scientifically, biologically, as well as religiously ˜right' when they needed it to be.

Once I took a college course that was supposed to be about black civil rights but turned out to consist of a lot of pro homosexual rhetoric. Every cracka in the entire class was passionately in favor of any extreme pro homosexual interests and legislation to support it. Yet when it came down to issues concerning blacks these same crackas were vehemently opposed to anything favoring blacks, including any real acknowledgement that blacks are still being discriminated against or are subjected to any hate crimes.

So what good would hate crime legislation do blacks when racist crimes committed against them aren't officially considered ˜hate' or even racist, and the term is only legally applied by the racist pro homosexual ˜justice' system to the benefit of homosexuals. Yeah, FOLKS, that's the real world and that's what these ˜white' folks are REALLY about, themselves and their own appetite. Whether their appetite is for self worshipping pride based upon their physical features, sexual license, or denying anything that doesn't cater to the whims of their ˜white' is right philosophy. And when they pick up some sick fix they try with all their might to bring every black person down with them. They can't, after all have black folks acting more sexually moral then they are....I mean, that would just ruin all the years of negative stereotyping they've spent building about black sexuality and 'white' sexual virtuousness.
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I do have a question RicardoMath,

If you are not gay why do you take up their cause with waaay more motivation than you do with black issues in general...in HERE as opposed to a GAY rights website? Just curious....on why you promote their agenda and issues to the extent that you do if they do not pertain to you directly? Just curious....

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