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Originally posted by Huey:
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Originally posted by Khalliqa:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by Khalliqa:
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Originally posted by Huey:
* There was nothing deleted.


Huey... I remembered your post specifically because you mentioned her light skin in addition to her green eyes... Since it is no longer there and I do not have proof... I will concede that it is possible that I misread your initial post... I just don't believe it is probable... none the less... I will retract the statement since you say nothing was deleted...


Salaam...


You don't have to retract it. I've been reading this thread from jump(particularly because of it's timing), and he did originally mention her being light skinned. We both can't be seeing things.

I thought at first it was just a 'description' demonstrating how much she looked like Anoushka, but now that it has been removed and denied, I have to question my original premise. 19


Thank you... It's good to know I was not the only one who saw it...



Salaam....


Roll Eyes The bottom line is that she was light-skinned and she resembled Anoushka. The End.


It wasn't just me that saw your original post Huey... Which is why I said I did not believe it probable that I did not see you remove it after the discussion began to focus on colorism.... so, there is a strong probability that you are not being honest...

The point in your post was that her light skin and green eyes made her hot...


and I was pointing out how we here in America have bias'... her skin color and eye color, characteristics of mixed and white people were in and of themselves attractive...


this type of thinking is the basis of colorism...

that light skin and mixed or near white characteristics are superior.... and most attractive... or are attractive inherently...


Salaam....
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Originally posted by Khalliqa:
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Originally posted by Huey:
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Originally posted by Khalliqa:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by Khalliqa:
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Originally posted by Huey:
* There was nothing deleted.


Huey... I remembered your post specifically because you mentioned her light skin in addition to her green eyes... Since it is no longer there and I do not have proof... I will concede that it is possible that I misread your initial post... I just don't believe it is probable... none the less... I will retract the statement since you say nothing was deleted...


Salaam...


You don't have to retract it. I've been reading this thread from jump(particularly because of it's timing), and he did originally mention her being light skinned. We both can't be seeing things.

I thought at first it was just a 'description' demonstrating how much she looked like Anoushka, but now that it has been removed and denied, I have to question my original premise. 19


Thank you... It's good to know I was not the only one who saw it...



Salaam....


Roll Eyes The bottom line is that she was light-skinned and she resembled Anoushka. The End.


It wasn't just me that saw your original post Huey... Which is why I said I did not believe it probable that I did not see you remove it after the discussion began to focus on colorism.... so, there is a strong probability that you are not being honest...

The point in your post was that her light skin and green eyes made her hot...


and I was pointing out how we here in America have bias'... her skin color and eye color, characteristics of mixed and white people were in and of themselves attractive...


this type of thinking is the basis of colorism...

that light skin and mixed or near white characteristics are superior.... and most attractive... or are attractive inherently...


Salaam....


Well, duh Khalliqa. Yes she was hot, she was light-skinned and she had green eyes. Back then, I knew very few black women that had green eyes. It was the 80s. All light-skinned women then were presumed good-looking or attractive until proven otherwise. Why add on that she was light-skinned when you can look at the picture of the topic, especially when I said she looked similar to the woman pictured? That's redundant. Are you concerned about the editing of my post or the subject of this thread?

Methinks somebody here is trying to create drama over light and dark...over an older woman, (really a high school senior), who I never dated because she already had a boyfriend.
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Originally posted by Huey:
It was the 80s. All light-skinned women then were presumed good-looking or attractive until proven otherwise.



Yes... this was my point... the sentiment has not changed... nor was it different before the 80s...
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Methinks somebody here is trying to create drama over light and dark...


I pointed out that you were not honest...
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Originally posted by Khalliqa:
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Originally posted by Huey:
It was the 80s. All light-skinned women then were presumed good-looking or attractive until proven otherwise.



Yes... this was my point... the sentiment has not changed... nor was it different before the 80s...
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Methinks somebody here is trying to create drama over light and dark...


I pointed out that you were not honest...


Not honest about WHAT???????????????????????

About the editing or subject of the thread? I clicked on the portal page to see if my comment had been added. Afterwards, I re-edited it because in the back of my head, I KNEW somebody was going to raise hell about it if I kept it the way it originally was. Since my teen choir director had similar looks to the woman of the entitled thread (complexion included), it would've been redundant to say she's light-skinned over and over again.
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Originally posted by Huey:
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Originally posted by Khalliqa:
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Originally posted by Huey:
It was the 80s. All light-skinned women then were presumed good-looking or attractive until proven otherwise.



Yes... this was my point... the sentiment has not changed... nor was it different before the 80s...
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Methinks somebody here is trying to create drama over light and dark...


I pointed out that you were not honest...


Not honest about WHAT???????????????????????

About the editing or subject of the thread?
I clicked on the portal page to see if my comment had been added. Afterwards, I re-edited it because in the back of my head, I KNEW somebody was going to raise hell about it if I kept it the way it originally was. Since my teen choir director had similar looks to the woman of the entitled thread (complexion included), it would've been redundant to say she's light-skinned over and over again.

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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
Yeah....notice how I spelled it Baliwood instead of Bollywood. Them motherfuckers are just as bad if not worse than the Japanese about asimilating white culture. Bollywood just sounds too westernized and Balawood (Bala: young girl) didn't sound so catchy, so I spell it Baliwood.


Baliwood isn't just racist/colourist because of Western culture... It's much older and deeper than that. The Aryan invasion of the Indus valley established the oldest known institutionalized white supremacy, the Hindu caste system...

Will Smith ain't gonna do ish about that...

Indian leader likens caste system to apartheid



Yes...

The caste system is immersed with a sense of colorism so deeply entrenched its unbelievable.... it is why I winced a bit when Huey wrote this (he deleted the part about her being light skinned)* :


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Originally posted by Huey:
I swear, Anoushka looks so much like this green-eyed sista, 2 or 3 years older than I, that was my choir director back in church..... and my friends (who played basketball with me in my backyard) couldn't believe their eyes when they saw this hottie of a woman, taking the time out of her schedule to remind me of choir rehearsal. appl



It is subconsciously entrenched here too....



Indian Colorism article

http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/1308/context/archive


Colorism in America article


http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/sayitloud/kane317


* There was nothing deleted. The choir director had green eyes so at least it should have been implied that she was light-skinned. How many dark-skinned black folks have any of us ran into that had green eyes? It was rare to see any black person wearing green eye contacts in Georgia, in 1985. nono


Dishonestly about the editing/deletion of the term 'light skinned'. First you said you didn't delete it, now you say you did and give a reason as to why...

As I stated, I thought it was just a description, I didn't even notice that you had deleted the term, and wouldn't have given it a second thought, until you DENIED deleting it. That conspicuous dishonesty puts another spin on it's usage.

BTW, your backpeddling and reposting on the dead thread...."black men white women :is it that serious?", is also quite telling.

I'm gonna call it how I see it. This whole thread started 'conspicuosely' right after you guys 'lost the logic argument' in that thread. That's why I have been following it(I wanted to see the mentality of some). So go ahead and continue spitefully praising this Indian Chick(I like her music too, but that wasn't the purpose of the thread), whose family would dis-own her for dealing with any one of you...That is, if she herself doesn't think Black folks have tails. 'Yall think you are slick, but you definately are not. I feel sorry for you and for any of the females who have to deal with you in real life.

Romulus Burnett, RR, and Huey, you should be ashamed... You are not of good character.
wait - wait a minute. I'm confused. I was going to respond to this thread earlier - I'm thinking to myself: What the fuck is going on? All I wanted to do was acknowledge my lust for Anoushka and the thread turns into a colorism debate????????? The Fuck?????

Now all of a sudden I should be ashamed of myself???? For what???? Being a heterosexual male?????? The hell outta here!!!! NEXT!
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:


Romulus Burnett, RR, and Huey, you should be ashamed... You are not of good character.



Questions...

What logical argument are you refering to?? The Brown University 'wall of shame'?? I don't remember myself posting much on that thread topic before then.

Why should someone be ashamed of being a heterosexual male?? One might think that being a gay male in a larger, dominant heterosexual society may cause someone to be 'ashamed', esp. on a college campus ( http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/28/facebook.finds.attacker/index.html ),in a church, or around anti-gay republicians, like Dick Cheney and Alan Keyes [Good luck with those gay daughters, Sirs. lol ]

How can you logically estimate someone character based off of reading their posting on a message board? What does it say about your intelligence for attempting to do so?? Do Brother Romulus and I get a better character score from you because we both devote a great deal of time by volunteering in our respecive communities to support the development of Black youth, esp. young black males in the inner city?? 19

Could it be that you are bring arm's full of pre-loaded baggage into this discussion?? Maybe you simply don't like Brothers interracial dating or in this case acknowledging the beauty in other races....do you feel the same way about white males dating/marrying asians? how do you feel about the Sista Gurl Freedom Flights/OPEN AND BLATANT [not a secret] Sex Vacations ( http://www.blackweekly.com/darleneinthecity/ )to Italy, which are sponsored by an pro-African America website?? If you were consistent, you would have beef with that too..


just wondering 19
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

Romulus Burnett, RR, and Huey, you should be ashamed... You are not of good character.


Since I did start this thread I will at least derail my own thread for a minute and respond to this angry black woman syndrome that has manifested it's ugly head up in here.

I asked a colleague of mine, a sister whom I'll refer to as Charlene, if she could pass the word on to another colleague, a hispanic woman whom I'll refer to as Anna, that I was interested in her. See, I have a keen sense of male intuition - I could tell even right then and there that Charlene didn't approve of the favor I asked her even though she humbly smiled and went on her merry little way.

From that point on everytime I saw her in the hallway she would front, give me the cold shoulder and walk away. Obviously she didn't relay the message to Anna. By the way, on a side note, the reason why I asked Charlene to pass the message on is because our professional circles are too far apart for us to run into each other. Okay, back to the story at hand:

Another co-worker of mine, whom I'll refer to as Linda, approached me a few weeks later and told me she talked to Charlene about me. Linda thought she was looking out for me so she told Charlene I was single and wanted to know if she was available. Linda told me Charlene was rather short with her too. She told Linda she was offended that I would ask her to ask a white woman if she was single. Charlene told Linda she was very much single and had been single a long time - that I should have asked her out instead. ek

First of all, I would have asked Charlene out. However, Charlene wears a big ass ring on her ring finger, which tells me off the top she's off limits. Secondly, Anna is hispanic not white but because she has 'good' hair and lightly complected she's considered a white woman? So I told Linda it's good things worked out like it did. Charlene saved me the trouble - the time and money that would have been wasted - of asking her out and getting hooked up with her only to find out she's another one of them narrow-minded, angry black women.

I mean, damn, what country ass, narrow-minded ass woman wears a damn ring on her ring finger to 'ward off players' these days? And don't get me started about some sisters being so insecure that they label all non-black women as being white. karate
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

Romulus Burnett, RR, and Huey, you should be ashamed... You are not of good character.


Since I did start this thread I will at least derail my own thread for a minute and respond to this angry black woman syndrome that has manifested it's ugly head up in here.

I asked a colleague of mine, a sister whom I'll refer to as Charlene, if she could pass the word on to another colleague, a hispanic woman whom I'll refer to as Anna, that I was interested in her. See, I have a keen sense of male intuition - I could tell even right then and there that Charlene didn't approve of the favor I asked her even though she humbly smiled and went on her merry little way.

From that point on everytime I saw her in the hallway she would front, give me the cold shoulder and walk away. Obviously she didn't relay the message to Anna. By the way, on a side note, the reason why I asked Charlene to pass the message on is because our professional circles are too far apart for us to run into each other. Okay, back to the story at hand:

Another co-worker of mine, whom I'll refer to as Linda, approached me a few weeks later and told me she talked to Charlene about me. Linda thought she was looking out for me so she told Charlene I was single and wanted to know if she was available. Linda told me Charlene was rather short with her too. She told Linda she was offended that I would ask her to ask a white woman if she was single. Charlene told Linda she was very much single and had been single a long time - that I should have asked her out instead. ek

First of all, I would have asked Charlene out. However, Charlene wears a big ass ring on her ring finger, which tells me off the top she's off limits. Secondly, Anna is hispanic not white but because she has 'good' hair and lightly complected she's considered a white woman? So I told Linda it's good things worked out like it did. Charlene saved me the trouble - the time and money that would have been wasted - of asking her out and getting hooked up with her only to find out she's another one of them narrow-minded, angry black women.

I mean, damn, what country ass, narrow-minded ass woman wears a damn ring on her ring finger to 'ward off players' these days? And don't get me started about some sisters being so insecure that they label all non-black women as being white. karate


So Charlene had a ring on her ring (married) finger, although she wasn't married, but yet had the nerve to get mad at you b/c she was really single? And SHE wonders why she's alone? Roll Eyes
You know I really shouldn't even dignify the ladies' posts with a response.

This was a thread in The Den. This drama shouldn't have been created in the first place. All I did was talk about a woman whom I haven't seen in years and how she resembled Anoushka Shankar, the subject of this thread, and BOOM, this crap started and overflowed.

My reputation on this site has been besmirched...not because I was labeled as a thug, abuser, junkie, etc.---but over re-editing a post, over a DAMN TYPO!

How petty can you be, to whine over a typo??? In The Den?
"You think you're slick, huh?" It wasn't even your concern to begin with. I'd be damned if I get crucified Brown University-style for admitting to liking an older woman from 22 years ago.

AND SPEAKING of posting--K, and OA, you are the LAST people here to talk about dishonesty. When I posted on the "Black Men and White Women: Is it that Serious?" thread, you two believed that gay couples are more tolerated in the black community than interracial couples. Are you crazy? As many brothers that are on the DL? You actually believe that bs?

Khalliqa, although you didn't give an answer about if gay couples were tolerated more than IR couples in the black community, your silence spoke volumes. Ahmadinejad straight up lied saying that there's no homosexuals in Iran? Correction: there aren't any OPENLY homosexuals in Iran and the Middle East. Islam is less tolerant of gays than Christianity, or at least in the Middle East. Once you come out the closet over there, you go in a casket. Folks thought some black men were on the DL, Arab men are the DDL, the Deep Down Low.

And OA, you wondered why I reposted my statement? Obviously I had to, because someone didn't get the message. If that's not an example of "cognitive dissonance," then I don't know what is.

I don't care if you're building a nation, a home, or a marriage---it all starts with You. You didn't need to gather a council for whether or not you had to wake up in the morning, get out of bed, go to work, etc. You did that; you didn't get permission from the community to do that. And why should you?

And about Indian folks? I know plenty of them who believed that because I'm black, they think I was a criminal or a thug, because they saw it on TV. And every one that believed that crap, I put them in check by saying, "If I'm a criminal, does that mean you're a terrorist? I watched Indiana Jones on TV. Does that mean you REALLY DO eat monkey brains?" And if hypothetically speaking, Anoushka and I actually did hook up one day, STFU! That's OUR business.

I stand by what I said: Only you have to walk down that aisle, make a vow to God, a promise in front of witness in the church/temple/mosque to take care of your spouse and children, if any. You are the only one OBLIGATED to do that by both God's and man's laws---not the community. If you can't see that, don't even bother thinking about marriage. In fact, don't try to even have a relationship.

I shouldn't have to post this, but I'm not having anybody besmirch me over typing a post. I'd have more respect for you if you said I was a carjacker. You two made it a colorism thing, not Romulus, RR or myself. karate stck
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Originally posted by Huey:
My reputation on this site has been besmirched...not because I was labeled as a thug, abuser, junkie, etc.---but over re-editing a post, over a DAMN TYPO!


It wasn't a typo by your own admission.. you deliberately removed it.. it was simply proven... you didn't like that your attempt to cover it was unsuccessful.....

that is no one's fault but your own...

Also, your character is not besmirched.... we all are far more dimensional than our postings... you have flaws in your character as do we all... for some reason even with proof of your own words you are unwilling to grow from the experience...


Salaam...
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Using the reaction of a white guy as the ultimate critique of a dark-skinned Indian woman having arrived. 20

If you think the Indians are bad about skin bleaching you need to check out the Japanese. The Japanese are even worse about skin bleaching and bleaching their hair. They actually consider paying for a significant other to get their eyelids lifted to be a gift like for an aniversary or a birthday. ek
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Yes - you can tell by the tone in her voice and the conviction in her facial expressions that she did catch a ride on the chocolate bomber while she was the the ATL. tfro

Indian women, particularly, brown-skinned Indian women identify very strongly with brown-skinned brothers - from my personal experience of course. cabbage
Sorry to beat the dead horse again. But this thread was not 'shut down', I went to Cuba and am only now having the chance to respond..

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Originally posted by RadioRaheem:
What logical argument are you refering to??


RR, I wasn't JUST talking to you now was I?

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How can you logically estimate someone character based off of reading their posting on a message board? What does it say about your intelligence for attempting to do so?? Do Brother Romulus and I get a better character score from you because we both devote a great deal of time by volunteering in our respecive communities to support the development of Black youth, esp. young black males in the inner city?? 19


I will take that criticism. I should not have said you have bad character I should have said that this thread was a display of bad character, and most of your threads/posts display a particular lack of character and deep thought in general. I do not think that online behavior is telling of the total person, but it does tell quite a bit about an aspect of that person. And so far, on the colourism issue, it's been quite telling. Also, RR, you don't do much posting or discussion about your community work or anything social political outside of gender wars, so therefore I am only seeing one aspect of you, and it seems to dominate, at least online. Usually when folks have a myriad of interests, they tend to discuss them on a forum.

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Could it be that you are bring arm's full of pre-loaded baggage into this discussion?? Maybe you simply don't like Brothers interracial dating or in this case acknowledging the beauty in other races....do you feel the same way about white males dating/marrying asians? how do you feel about the Sista Gurl Freedom Flights/OPEN AND BLATANT [not a secret] Sex Vacations ( http://www.blackweekly.com/darleneinthecity/ )to Italy, which are sponsored by an pro-African America website?? If you were consistent, you would have beef with that too..


I am consistent. You just don't read, or you have a selective memory. You may have missed them because I refuse to view the world in your gender selective manner. My posts on that particular thread were a condemnation of sex tourism, exploitation, and objectification by either gender, particularly when it comes to African people, of anyone(reguardless of race).


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just wondering 19[/b]


I wonder about your intelligence sometimes. Why I even bothered ever addressing you in the first place baffles me. Critical thought is not your forte.


Also, as for the conspicuous timing of the posting of this thread, it is obvious. I'm just the one to point it out. I was ready for the backlash and denial. I want someone to find a thread on a South East Asian board by men, dedicated to the beauty of dark skinned, kinky haired, Black/African women(even one). Particularly after arguing down East Asian women that the individualist viewpoint that individual choice(as though white supremacy, and caste in this case, have nothing to do with preferences) takes the priority over solid family foundation for the community ... You can't. Period. Hence, outside of being spiteful(which was the real point of this thread) I see brothers, the members of the oppressed and exploited by East Indians, in Africa and abroad, celebrating 'their' beauty as being silly to say the least.

What's interesting is that I think Anoushka is quite pretty. I see the beauty in all of humanity. It's all of humanity that DOESN'T celebrate AFRICAN beauty. So therefore why celebrate a bunch of 'other' ethnicity's beauty when they never return the favour... because we are on the bottom of the economic, cultural, political, and beauty totem pole... But what does that matter when we are dominated by individualism? Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by Khalliqa:
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Originally posted by Huey:
My reputation on this site has been besmirched...not because I was labeled as a thug, abuser, junkie, etc.---but over re-editing a post, over a DAMN TYPO!


It wasn't a typo by your own admission.. you deliberately removed it.. it was simply proven... you didn't like that your attempt to cover it was unsuccessful.....

that is no one's fault but your own...

Also, your character is not besmirched.... we all are far more dimensional than our postings... you have flaws in your character as do we all... for some reason even with proof of your own words you are unwilling to grow from the experience...


Salaam...


yeah

Also, I mentioned the issue of colourism before, and he ran from it then.
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

What's interesting is that I think Anoushka is quite pretty. I see the beauty in all of humanity. It's all of humanity that DOESN'T celebrate AFRICAN beauty. So therefore why celebrate a bunch of 'other' ethnicities beauty when they never return the favour... because we are on the bottom of the economic, cultural, political, and beauty totem pole? But what does that matter when we are dominated by individualism? Roll Eyes



Excuse me most honourable oshun auset, goddess of the nile, bearer of everlasting knowledge, bussom of mother Earth. I beg forgiveness of you for I do not possess the level of critical thinking skills and cognition to comprehend your (looking in theasaurus for word comparable to BIG) superfluous diatribe (that's $10 right there!), so, once again, please forgive me if my meager intelligence does not allow me to grasp your extraterrestrial intellect. But tell me how not having my handsomeness, wit, charm, gregariousness, and eclectic personality celebrated by my own ethnicity of women is any better than not having my qualities celebrated by other ethnicities? So, if a sister turns me down it's okay but if a white, asian or hispanic woman turns me down,then I got what was coming to me? Please forgive my foolishness but I don't see the logic in rejection period. But that's just me. I'm ignorant like that. Not all that capable of deep thought because I don't venture too much out of the gender battles myself - mostly because I discuss the hell out of current events, national and international news, politics, government, history, art, religion, culture, science and biology on various other sites. AA.org has one of the most healthiest afrocentrically oriented gender issue discussions on the internet. Hell - I found this discussion board through googling the heated debate on tired black man thread. So, oh well, I guess I busted that myth/theory. hat
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
But tell me how not having my handsomeness, wit, charm, gregariousness, and eclectic personality celebrated by my own ethnicity of women is any better than not having my qualities celebrated by other ethnicities? So, if a sister turns me down it's okay but if a white, asian or hispanic woman turns me down,then I got what was coming to me? Please forgive my foolishness but I don't see the logic in rejection period. But that's just me. I'm ignorant like that.


As I said on another thread. The numbers make your comments moot. Stay in denial RB. It suites you.
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Originally posted by HeruStar:
Isn't colourism sustained by the average black person?


Yes, and the actions that sustain it are usually denied. Also, women suffer from it's effects disproportionately because more of a woman's value is placed on her appearance(and the beauty standard is defined and dictated to the masses by a white supremacy).
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
But tell me how not having my handsomeness, wit, charm, gregariousness, and eclectic personality celebrated by my own ethnicity of women is any better than not having my qualities celebrated by other ethnicities? So, if a sister turns me down it's okay but if a white, asian or hispanic woman turns me down,then I got what was coming to me? Please forgive my foolishness but I don't see the logic in rejection period. But that's just me. I'm ignorant like that.


As I said on another thread. The numbers make your comments moot. Stay in denial RB. It suites you.


Oh please tell me what I'm supposed to be in denial about(?). Am I supposed to have crippling feelings of inferiority? Insecurity? Low self-esteem? Am I supposed to be expressing displaced anger because I hate my mama and my sisters? Am I supposed to be afraid of black women - can't handle them? Am I supposed to be a white man living in a black man's body?

The fact that you're in denial, oshun auset, about being an elitist, a separatist and a fascist puts you in the minority, thereby, making your comments moot but I'm not complaining about that. But then again most of you black women are in denial about a lot of issues:

It has historically been difficult to treat mental health problems in African American women. One reason for this is that Black women tend to minimize the serious nature of their problems. Many believe their symptoms are "just the blues" and are not proactive in changing their condition. There also exists a stigma placed on mental health problems within the African American culture that they are a sign of personal weakness, not a sickness.

Black Women and Mental Health.
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by Khalliqa:
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Originally posted by Huey:
My reputation on this site has been besmirched...not because I was labeled as a thug, abuser, junkie, etc.---but over re-editing a post, over a DAMN TYPO!


It wasn't a typo by your own admission.. you deliberately removed it.. it was simply proven... you didn't like that your attempt to cover it was unsuccessful.....

that is no one's fault but your own...

Also, your character is not besmirched.... we all are far more dimensional than our postings... you have flaws in your character as do we all... for some reason even with proof of your own words you are unwilling to grow from the experience...


Salaam...


yeah

Also, I mentioned the issue of colourism before, and he ran from it then.


Two things, ladies:

1. K, I never said that I didn't have flaws. In fact, I can grow in spite of my flaws. Can you two grow from your experiences?

2. OA, I don't like to chase my own tail, because you end up just exhausted and learning nothing. And the only reason why you love to bring colorism is because you're still bitter about that petty brother who turned you down for some random white girl, who btw you knew full well in advance that you felt entitled to be with that guy, just for being an Afrocentric, light-skinned black woman alone...Not to mention that you have that luxury to confuse "the man" and also the advantage to be chosen by a brother, before he chooses any other medium- or darker-skinned sisters. Your pride, baggage or cognitive dissonance is keeping you from admitting to it.
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Originally posted by Oshun:
Also, women suffer from it's effects disproportionately because more of a woman's value is placed on her appearance(and the beauty standard is defined and dictated to the masses by a white supremacy).


Does white supremacy have as much influence as genetics?

I mean, since sexual attraction is supposed to be "genetic" nowadays, how much credit can we really give white supremacy?

Also...

I agree that there is a disproportionate effect on women, however I believe women have been competing for the affection of men since the beginning of time; and with this competition they've developed tremendous skill. They determine to us men, what we think is beautiful, sexual arousal... physical attraction... is a women thing.

It's a competition. So I think women of all colors should compete.

Let's take it there...

I used to think I would end up marrying a petite woman... problem is, I'm not attracted to them. I don't discriminate against petite women, they've just never been able to wake up the tiger in me, or create that soft jerk in my stomach.

However, if we were to create a caste system based on body structure/size, petite women would have a commanding lead.

Why? Because fashion/women told us to like petite women. They give em all these cute little clothes and cute little movie roles, that paint them as sweet innocent woman that are marriage material. The other women are nothing more than fantasies... And I think most men choose NOT to marry their fantasies... otherwise it's not a fantasy.------------------


Every half-retarded theory has a proof test. Here's my proof. The next petite, rich chocolate woman you see, ask her if she's married or engaged. My guess is you'll get more yes's than no's.
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
But tell me how not having my handsomeness, wit, charm, gregariousness, and eclectic personality celebrated by my own ethnicity of women is any better than not having my qualities celebrated by other ethnicities? So, if a sister turns me down it's okay but if a white, asian or hispanic woman turns me down,then I got what was coming to me? Please forgive my foolishness but I don't see the logic in rejection period. But that's just me. I'm ignorant like that.


As I said on another thread. The numbers make your comments moot. Stay in denial RB. It suites you.


Oh please tell me what I'm supposed to be in denial about(?). Am I supposed to have crippling feelings of inferiority? Insecurity? Low self-esteem? Am I supposed to be expressing displaced anger because I hate my mama and my sisters? Am I supposed to be afraid of black women - can't handle them? Am I supposed to be a white man living in a black man's body?

The fact that you're in denial, oshun auset, about being an elitist, a separatist and a fascist puts you in the minority, thereby, making your comments moot but I'm not complaining about that. But then again most of you black women are in denial about a lot of issues:

It has historically been difficult to treat mental health problems in African American women. One reason for this is that Black women tend to minimize the serious nature of their problems. Many believe their symptoms are "just the blues" and are not proactive in changing their condition. There also exists a stigma placed on mental health problems within the African American culture that they are a sign of personal weakness, not a sickness.

Black Women and Mental Health.


Denial of your own spiteful actions is what I am talking about. Denial of the societal effects of white supremacy on an individual, is also an issue with you and others. BTW, your spite was obvious to many people, I am just the one who called you on it. BTW you do project quite a bit, which has also been noticed by others.
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Originally posted by Huey:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by Khalliqa:
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Originally posted by Huey:
My reputation on this site has been besmirched...not because I was labeled as a thug, abuser, junkie, etc.---but over re-editing a post, over a DAMN TYPO!


It wasn't a typo by your own admission.. you deliberately removed it.. it was simply proven... you didn't like that your attempt to cover it was unsuccessful.....

that is no one's fault but your own...

Also, your character is not besmirched.... we all are far more dimensional than our postings... you have flaws in your character as do we all... for some reason even with proof of your own words you are unwilling to grow from the experience...


Salaam...


yeah

Also, I mentioned the issue of colourism before, and he ran from it then.


Two things, ladies:

1. K, I never said that I didn't have flaws. In fact, I can grow in spite of my flaws. Can you two grow from your experiences?

2. OA, I don't like to chase my own tail, because you end up just exhausted and learning nothing. And the only reason why you love to bring colorism is because you're still bitter about that petty brother who turned you down for some random white girl, who btw you knew full well in advance that you felt entitled to be with that guy, just for being an Afrocentric, light-skinned black woman alone...Not to mention that you have that luxury to confuse "the man" and also the advantage to be chosen by a brother, before he chooses any other medium- or darker-skinned sisters. Your pride, baggage or cognitive dissonance is keeping you from admitting to it.


Huey, you can continue to be in denial about the dishonesty in your post(s), and project your irritation at it simply being observed outward. All it does is stall your own growth. I was 14 when that incident occurred. A very innocent 14, far from being a woman(or defined as African centered). It was the first time I recognized a socialized preference for the 'other', hence I remember it well. I in no way had any expectations of entitlement from a crush at 14. Which if you remember that age, nobody had of their crushes. I have displayed a disgust with the 'advantages' I get because of my complexion. I am aware of them, observe them daily, as well as the disadvantages others receive(and how painful it must be). Therefore, I can and do empathize with those who do not have the 'romantic' advantage under the white supremacist colourist system with our own brethren(LET ALONE THE LARGER SOCIETY). I'm waiting for 'yall to start empathizing, instead of being on the defensive and attacking the victim(and I'm not talking about myself). I'm also waiting for 'yall to start attacking the systematic thought process(internal and external) that perpetuates this type of unfairness. It seems I will be waiting in vain.
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Originally posted by HeruStar:
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Originally posted by Oshun:
Also, women suffer from it's effects disproportionately because more of a woman's value is placed on her appearance(and the beauty standard is defined and dictated to the masses by a white supremacy).


Does white supremacy have as much influence as genetics?

I mean, since sexual attraction is supposed to be "genetic" nowadays, how much credit can we really give white supremacy?


You are joking right?

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Also...

I agree that there is a disproportionate effect on women, however I believe women have been competing for the affection of men since the beginning of time; and with this competition they've developed tremendous skill. They determine to us men, what we think is beautiful, sexual arousal... physical attraction... is a women thing.


I think men have also competed for women's attention since the beginning of time, just in different ways.

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It's a competition. So I think women of all colors should compete.


A fair competition(in any form, not just in the romantic area) only occurs outside of a white supremacist system.

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Let's take it there...

I used to think I would end up marrying a petite woman... problem is, I'm not attracted to them. I don't discriminate against petite women, they've just never been able to wake up the tiger in me, or create that soft jerk in my stomach.

However, if we were to create a caste system based on body structure/size, petite women would have a commanding lead.

Why? Because fashion/women told us to like petite women. They give em all these cute little clothes and cute little movie roles, that paint them as sweet innocent woman that are marriage material. The other women are nothing more than fantasies... And I think most men choose NOT to marry their fantasies... otherwise it's not a fantasy.------------------


Every half-retarded theory has a proof test. Here's my proof. The next petite, rich chocolate woman you see, ask her if she's married or engaged. My guess is you'll get more yes's than no's.


I'm confused... Were you trying to prove that societal standards effect relationship prefferences or disprove their relation?
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

Huey, you can continue to be in denial about the dishonesty in your post(s), and project your irritation at it simply being observed outward. All it does is stall your own growth. I was 14 when that incident occurred. A very innocent 14, far from being a woman(or defined as African centered). It was the first time I recognized a socialized preference for the 'other', hence I remember it well. I in no way had any expectations of entitlement from a crush at 14. Which if you remember that age, nobody had of their crushes. I have displayed a disgust with the 'advantages' I get because of my complexion. I am aware of them, observe them daily, as well as the disadvantages others receive(and how painful it must be). Therefore, I can and do empathize with those who do not have the 'romantic' advantage under the white supremacist colourist system with our own brethren(LET ALONE THE LARGER SOCIETY). I'm waiting for 'yall to start empathizing, instead of being on the defensive and attacking the victim(and I'm not talking about myself). I'm also waiting for 'yall to start attacking the systematic thought process(internal and external) that perpetuates this type of unfairness. It seems I will be waiting in vain.


Spare me your justified bs. I don't have to defend anything. In fact, I don't have to justify anything that happened 20-plus years ago. I've been attracted to women ranging from the light to the dark. I've given my opinions on other women that aren't light-skinned from Kerry Washington, Kelly Rowland to Gabrielle Union. You just happened to pick at this particular thread, because of a woman from my "past" Roll Eyes who JMHO, happened to look similar to Anoushka. What is the problem with that? I'm not losing sleep trying to analyze what made me like her or why does she favor Anoushka Shankar. I saw the thread; saw the picture. Reminded me of someone I knew, and voila. Perhaps I should've kept it to myself, and all this brouhaha would never have boiled over.

I hope you can practice what you preach. So you were 14 when you were rejected. Guess what? I was 15 when this light-skinned woman was my choir director. At least I admit that I had a crush on her. I liked because I LIKED her, no more, no less. I didn't have to get permission or have a discussion to whether or not I liked her. Hell, my friends were shocked to see her remind me in person about choir practice, was because she was hot and I was a geek. Her light-skinned complexion had little to do with it. Think about it, what attractive older women come to visit younger guys back in the 80s? She could've been a freaking Yield sign or a statue for all I care. The point is that they were surprised that ANY woman came to visit me at my home. See?

Unlike you, I don't dwell on that past crush, because she's married now, she went to another high school (a rival school) and was older than me anyway.

A shade of a woman doesn't make or break my choice in liking her or even pursuing her. That's my choice, my business ONLY. I'm not that shallow, and if I were that shallow, at least I can be man enough to even admit to my shallowness, and not pontificate some type of rhetoric that denies any form of advantages and/or creates a false sense of a lack of accountability.

You want to talk about how to increase self-growth? Here's two items:
1. Look in the mirror.
2. Stop being overpetty and creating drama. If you want drama, watch TNT or A&E.
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Originally posted by Huey:
You just happened to pick at this particular thread, because of a woman from my "past" Roll Eyes who JMHO, happened to look similar to Anoushka. What is the problem with that? I'm not losing sleep trying to analyze what made me like her or why does she favor Anoushka Shankar. I saw the thread; saw the picture. Reminded me of someone I knew, and voila. Perhaps I should've kept it to myself, and all this brouhaha would never have boiled over.


More dishonesty, if you read my post I stated from jump that I thought you just posted the 'light skinned comment as a description', but had to reanalyze that stance once you kept denying ever editing/deleting it out. It was your DISHONESTY that caused the focus on that particular aspect... Very simple...

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I hope you can practice what you preach. So you were 14 when you were rejected. Guess what? I was 15 when this light-skinned woman was my choir director. At least I admit that I had a crush on her. I liked because I LIKED her, no more, no less. I didn't have to get permission or have a discussion to whether or not I liked her. Hell, my friends were shocked to see her remind me in person about choir practice, was because she was hot and I was a geek. Her light-skinned complexion had little to do with it. Think about it, what attractive older women come to visit younger guys back in the 80s? She could've been a freaking Yield sign or a statue for all I care. The point is that they were surprised that ANY woman came to visit me at my home. See?

Unlike you, I don't dwell on that past crush, because she's married now, she went to another high school (a rival school) and was older than me anyway.


Are you purposely acting like you don't know what you were actually being criticized for?

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A shade of a woman doesn't make or break my choice in liking her or even pursuing her. That's my choice, my business ONLY. I'm not that shallow, and if I were that shallow, at least I can be man enough to even admit to my shallowness, and not pontificate some type of rhetoric that denies any form of advantages and/or creates a false sense of a lack of accountability.


That is good. So why were you dishonest about what you originally posted, acting like you didn't delete/edit your post? I hope you do realize that if you wouldn't have denied having done so that it would have been in no way focussed on... Which was STATED.

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You want to talk about how to increase self-growth? Here's two items:
1. Look in the mirror.
2. Stop being overpetty and creating drama. If you want drama, watch TNT or A&E.


If pointing out an observed dishonesty is considered petty. I'll keep being petty(by your definition) then.
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I'm confused... Were you trying to prove that societal standards effect relationship prefferences or disprove their relation?


I'm trying to prove that attraction goes beyond complexion or race. Attraction... as much as we'd hate to admit, isn't something we all have complete control over.

Can we choose not to be attracted to someone?
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Denial of your own spiteful actions is what I am talking about. Denial of the societal effects of white supremacy on an individual, is also an issue with you and others. BTW, your spite was obvious to many people, I am just the one who called you on it. BTW you do project quite a bit, which has also been noticed by others.


Ha ha ha ha!!!! You would not make a good prosecuting attorney, oshun. You speak of denial as if I had something to hide from society, from the black community - as if I were ashamed of my multicultural taste in women. I don't get it - what did you call me on? Oh, wait. I'm supposed to be in denial about white supremacy because I don't have a propagandized, afro-political avatar and I don't run around in the issues and politics forum preaching about "the man" and the ways he controls black folk and pits us against each other and blah, blah, blah, blah. That's a tired ass conversation that has been beaten into the ground.

No one and nothing has ever held me back from obtaining what is rightfully mine. As I've always said, not every black man is your friend and not every white man is your enemy. Therefore, I won't swear complete and total allegiance to anyone. Yes, I'm aware of the destructive effects of white supremacy but did white supremacy keep me from accomplishing my goals? Hell no. It may have created a few setbacks but it didn't stop me. And in some cases it was the catalyst in helping me advance educationally, financially, and professionally. Yeah, I made my enemy my foot stool.

So, by your sentiment, because I haven't spoken in depth about racism or white supremacy I, therefore, must be for white supremacy???? You crack me the hell up, oshun. Carry on with your wounded ego.
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Originally posted by HeruStar:
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I'm confused... Were you trying to prove that societal standards effect relationship prefferences or disprove their relation?


I'm trying to prove that attraction goes beyond complexion or race. Attraction... as much as we'd hate to admit, isn't something we all have complete control over.

Can we choose not to be attracted to someone?



Physical attraction, is always first.

A lot of black men, have preferences when it comes to the hue of a black womans skin.

Trust me.......
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
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Denial of your own spiteful actions is what I am talking about. Denial of the societal effects of white supremacy on an individual, is also an issue with you and others. BTW, your spite was obvious to many people, I am just the one who called you on it. BTW you do project quite a bit, which has also been noticed by others.


Ha ha ha ha!!!! You would not make a good prosecuting attorney, oshun. You speak of denial as if I had something to hide from society, from the black community - as if I were ashamed of my multicultural taste in women. I don't get it - what did you call me on? Oh, wait. I'm supposed to be in denial about white supremacy because I don't have a propagandized, afro-political avatar and I don't run around in the issues and politics forum preaching about "the man" and the ways he controls black folk and pits us against each other and blah, blah, blah, blah. That's a tired ass conversation that has been beaten into the ground.

No one and nothing has ever held me back from obtaining what is rightfully mine. As I've always said, not every black man is your friend and not every white man is your enemy. Therefore, I won't swear complete and total allegiance to anyone. Yes, I'm aware of the destructive effects of white supremacy but did white supremacy keep me from accomplishing my goals? Hell no. It may have created a few setbacks but it didn't stop me. And in some cases it was the catalyst in helping me advance educationally, financially, and professionally. Yeah, I made my enemy my foot stool.

So, by your sentiment, because I haven't spoken in depth about racism or white supremacy I, therefore, must be for white supremacy???? You crack me the hell up, oshun. Carry on with your wounded ego.


As usual, you pretend to miss the actual criticism and are projecting.

sleep

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