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Since we're still nibbling on the controversy over the Danish newspaper(s) printing cartoon caricatures of Prophet Muhammad... I thought this, NOAH THE AFRICAN'S thread-thought about the situation was interesting and would make for interesting discussion. NOAH asks:
    I wonder what the reaction would be...

    ...If someone drew a Caricature of Jesus Christ as a White Slave-Master with a whip oppressing the non-white peoples of the world?

    Do you think that White Christians (or Christians in general) would take this as lightly, as "civilly" as they expect Muslims to take the Caricature of the Prophet Mohammad? Or do you think that there is a huge double standard here?

    Forgive me for the imagination...simply making a point.


    (My insertions/emphasis.)
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Do you think that White Christians (or Christians in general) would take this as lightly, as "civilly" as they expect Muslims to take the Caricature of the Prophet Mohammad? Or do you think that there is a huge double standard here?

Forgive me for the imagination...simply making a point.


In this day in age, yes I do think American Christians would be more "civil" about it, and considering how secular western Europe has become I'd question whether it would even make a dent outside of religious circles. Will they [Christians, esp. white] raise a fuss? Of course. Will they be super pissed? That goes without saying. Protest? Sure. Threats to actually kill other people, burn down the newspaper facility, and encourage others into suicide missions? You'll be hard pressed to find those kind. Maybe the Limbaughs and Fred Phelps, but the actual influence those people have to goad other people into violence and self-destruction is minimal; it certainly pales into the comparison of an immam or mullah. When was the last time a young white Christian blew up himself and a busload of other people under orders from Jerry Falwell, in the name of Yahweh?
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When was the last time a young white Christian blew up himself and a busload of other people under orders from Jerry Falwell, in the name of Yahweh?
When was the last time White Christians collectively lived in comparable conditions? Under Occupation?

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Threats to actually kill other people, burn down the newspaper facility, and encourage others into suicide missions? You'll be hard pressed to find those kind.
Apparently not.

There is not the same restrictions on human images in Christianity as there is in Islam, but know Christians who where angry enough with the movie The Last Tempation of Christ to call in bomb threats to theaters.

And what about those good [White] Christians and their violent passions over abortions?

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One source reported in late 1996, that there has been "over $13 million in damage caused by violent anti-abortion groups since 1982 in over 150 arson attacks, bombings, and shootings."
Now, that might not be over the not-so sacred Christian symbols and images but that's no less violent and much fuss AND FIGHT over an issue that should be, how should I say, "peacefully" and "civilly" deal with it.

Now where are stereotypes for those [White] Christians? Where are the attendant connotations for them like "an imam or mullah"?

Also, those Abortion Clinic bombings and such? Where they just a matter of [White] Christians being "Super Pissed" or what?
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
When was the last time White Christians collectively lived in comparable conditions? Under Occupation?


I suppose that argument would have some merit in Palestine, but that situation isn't comparable to what is happening in northern Europe. Muslims in Scandinavia especially are far from ocupied--hell, they willingly migrated there to escape the poverty and extremism of their own countries! Having lived in the area for a brief period, I can say that while there is racism (or perhaps more accurately, culturism) in places like Denmark and Sweden, the Muslims there are segregated from mainstream society mostly at their own will. They don't want to be Danish or Swedish, nor abide by Danish or Swedish laws and social mores. The more militant Muslims even declare they want to make Danes and Swedes to change their culture and become Muslim (yes, Islam is a religion, but it's pervasiveness and control of it's followers practically makes it a culture as well). Show me true oppression in those countries, and I'll eat my hat.

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Threats to actually kill other people, burn down the newspaper facility, and encourage others into suicide missions? You'll be hard pressed to find those kind.


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Yeah and they were friggin' idiots. But tell me, how many theaters were actually blown up? The difference between this and what's going on is that building have actually been attacked, and people actually have been killed over some fucking cartoons.

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
And what about those good [White] Christians and their violent passions over abortions?


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One source reported in late 1996, that there has been "over $13 million in damage caused by violent anti-abortion groups since 1982 in over 150 arson attacks, bombings, and shootings."
Now, that might not be over the not-so sacred Christian symbols and images but that's no less violent and much fuss AND FIGHT over an issue that should be, how should I say, "peacefully" and "civilly" deal with it.


Now where are stereotypes for those [White] Christians? Where are the attendant connotations for them like "an imam or mullah"?

Also, those Abortion Clinic bombings and such? Where they just a matter of [White] Christians being "Super Pissed" or what?


I don't defend those guys. In fact, I can't stand them. As an atheist and a social liberal, the Religious Reicht fascits irk me to no end with their attempts to shove their BS down my throat, or hinder my constitutional rights to satisfy the archaic ramblings of some Middle Eastern shepards. To them, as to the Islamofacist trying to do the exact same thing, I give a loud and hearty "FUCK YOU". However, the worldwide incidence of these wackjobs in regards to total Christian population is doesn't equal the ratio of wackjobs in regards to the total Islamic population. The fact of the matter is that if some insane preacher got up and started telling Christians to kill certain groups in the name of God/Jehova/Yahweh, he'd be rightly seen as disturbed and would have very few followers (think Fred Phelps). In contrast, an imam who does this is more likely to be seen as preaching the good word of the Prophet and he'd mobilize dozens of crazy followers to slaughter in the name of Allah.

But let's try this: which position would you rather find yourself in, an atheist or Christian in Saudi Arabia, or a Muslim in Britain? Which position do you think would get you killed faster?


off Don't you love how Islamofacists will demand respect for their religion, yet their religion doesn't seem to have respect for "Dhimmis". If offensive cartoons are the worst they have to handle, then that's spectacular to what they dish out to non-Muslims within their own countries. Like arresting women for teaching Christianity, or death warrants for apostates or anyone who doesn't toe the line with "correct" Islamic theology (Salmon Rushie, anyone?).
Yeah, that's some respect and tolerance there.
Thanks for giving that some play Nmaginate. In regards to the debate going on here, I think the way an entity reacts is determined by their position of power within the world order. Entities with less power usually respond asymmetrically, while those with the most power can afford to respond symmetrically. Christians are no less prone to violence, when they are lacking in power, than are Muslims or any other group. There is no moral superiority between religious followers. The difference in behavior that manifest is due to power dynamics.
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I don't defend those guys. In fact, I can't stand them.
Who said anything about defending acts no one said you were a party to or approved of? My thing is how these things escaped your view and recollection.

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the Muslims there are segregated from mainstream society mostly at their own will. They don't want to be Danish or Swedish, nor abide by Danish or Swedish laws and social mores.
Why should they?

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Show me true oppression in those countries, and I'll eat my hat.
You referenced Suicide Bomb(ers)... Didn't you? You got some stories from the Danish press, etc. that talks about Suicide Bombings in that country?

Me, when you referenced Suicide Bombers, I thought of Palestine. Now you can be honest about what you were referencing complete with the actual incident in whatever country beside Israel/Palestine you may have been talking about.
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To them, as to the Islamofacist trying to do the exact same thing, I give a loud and hearty "FUCK YOU".
How come those WHITE CHRISTIANS, those ABORTION CLINIC BOMBING, torching White Christians didn't readily come to mind when you said:

When was the last time a young white Christian blew up himself and a busload of other people...

BTW, the method is IRRELEVANT. Since you're saying Hearty FU's, I'd just like to see that without provocation. That's all... I mean, those FU's are heart felt the same, right?

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