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"If white Americans were to leave the country tomorrow, in ten years America would be a ghetto" writes Reverend Peterson.

Ouch! But one look at major cities run by black mayors, police chiefs and black-dominated city councils provides ample evidence to validate his assertion.


(Quotes THE BOT (ML) quoting LaShawn Barber)


We've seen this stuff recycled here, quite a bit, from one to the other:


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Constructive Feedback posted:

Philadelphia - Black Democratic Mayor
Baltimore - Black Democratic Mayor (White Democratic Mayor got a PROMOTION TO GOVERNOR despite massive problems w/ city )
Washington DC - Black Democratic Mayor
New Orleans - Black Democratic Mayor
Detroit - Black Democratic Mayor
Camden - Black Democratic Mayor
Newark - Black Democratic Mayor
Irvington NJ (aka Murder capital of the USA) - Black Democratic Mayor
Cleveland - Black Democratic Mayor

Consider the SCHOOLS, the SAFETY OF THE STREETS, the Economic situation, the state of the HOSPITALS.
Are you saying that we need MORE OF THIS?



Okay, time to make the doughnuts...

From the Top 25: Most dangerous and safest cities list (published Oct. 2006):

___ St. Louis, MO

___ Detroit, MI


* Donald Williamson * (Ethnicity = NON-BLACK) ___ Flint, MI


___ Camden, NJ

___ Memphis, TN

___ Miami Gardens, FL

___ Orlando, FL

___ Compton, CA

* Charles V. Ryan * (Ethnicity = NON-BLACK) ___ Springfield, MA

* Mark Stodola * (Ethnicity = NON-BLACK) ___ Little Rock, AR

* Douglas H. Palmer * (Ethnicity = BLACK) ___ Trenton, NJ

___ Baltimore, MD

___ North Charleston, SC

* Shirley Franklin * (Ethnicity = BLACK) ___ Atlanta, GA

* Bill Purcell * (Ethnicity = NON-BLACK) ___ Nashville, TN

___ Miami, FL

___ St. Petersburg, FL

* John Rayson * ___ (Ethnicity = NON-BLACK) Pompano Beach, FL

___ Stockton, CA

* Bernard Kincaid * ___ (Ethnicity = BLACK) Birmingham, AL

* John E. Street* (Ethnicity = BLACK) ___ Philadelphia, PA

___ Kansas City, MO

___ Minneapolis, MN

* Pam Iorio * (Ethnicity = NON-BLACK) ___ Tampa, FL

* Ron Dellums * (Ethnicity = BLACK) ___ Oakland, CA (((newly elected)))
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......and with few exceptions, the most dangerous cities have a large Black population.

"Our Own Worst Enemies

"If white Americans were to leave the country tomorrow, in ten years America would be a ghetto" writes Reverend Peterson. Ouch! But one look at major cities run by black mayors, police chiefs and black-dominated city councils provides ample evidence to validate his assertion. In the District of Columbia, for example, incompetence abounds, crime rates are out of control, abortion and illegitimacy rates are high, and the number of new AIDS cases is higher than in other large U.S. cities. Blacks, who make up 61 percent of the D.C. population, represent 80 percent of AIDS diagnoses.......

Black leaders have brainwashed blacks into hating whites for their problems, and this racial hatred has continued to enslave blacks, says Reverend Peterson. But blacks are their own worst enemies, handicapping themselves by listening to black leaders. To continue perks and corporate shakedowns, limousine liberals like Jesse Jackson have to keep stirring the pot of hatred. "If blacks do not abandon this mentality and this rage against white America"”and if we do not accept responsibility for our own failures"”we will forever remain defeated", he contends."

.....as if continuously supporting the Democratic Party, and/or the numerous no good deceitful elected Black leadership has been so rewarding.


.......as if proof doesn't exist that the Democratic leadership, specifically as it relates to those who have failed the inner-city for well over thirty years.
Nathaniel - please keep in mind these are cities of a certain size.

Irvington New Jersey is called "Murder Capital of the World" but is too small to make it onto your list. There are PLENTY of other cities in the same situation.

It is clear to me that a certain ideology does a better job in FORCING THE SYSTEM TO CHANGE. Another ideology does a better job in CREATING THE FRAMEWORK for a city/society. The first group is a vital force in FINE TUNING the flaws that the second group has. When they are left to run things on their own however, it does tend to crumble.

This is not RACIAL it is IDEOLOGICAL - with consideration of the assumptions that you come to the table with. You might have a RIGHT to certain services - this is GREAT - now you need to figure out how to build a damned economic system to FUND THESE RIGHTS.
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Irvington New Jersey is called "Murder Capital of the World"


Okay. Please provide documentation to support what you've said (several times without support).

For some reason (for 2005), I keep finding 2006 articles which give JAMAICA that title.
(So much for your OTHER BLACK SKINNED PEOPLE theories.)

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This is not RACIAL it is IDEOLOGICAL


STOP LYING!!!



Philadelphia - Black Democratic Mayor
Baltimore - Black Democratic Mayor (White Democratic Mayor got a PROMOTION TO GOVERNOR despite massive problems w/ city )
Washington DC - Black Democratic Mayor
New Orleans - Black Democratic Mayor
Detroit - Black Democratic Mayor
Camden - Black Democratic Mayor
Newark - Black Democratic Mayor
Irvington NJ (aka Murder capital of the USA) - Black Democratic Mayor
Cleveland - Black Democratic Mayor

If what you say is true then... if it was IDEOLOGICAL and not RACIAL then you would NOT have SPECIFICALLY listed cities with BLACK Democratic mayors. You would have just listed one's, like those on my list, that are DEMOCRATS without specifying their RACE. You would have highlighted their IDEOLOGY and IDEOLOGY ONLY if what you say is true. Obviously, YOU'RE LIAR.

NOW WHAT? sck

(Note how my non-subjective list included Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, Democrats and Republicans.)


NOTE: Republicans preside and have presided over cities, big and small, with high crime/murder rates. NOW WHAT? sck

(And I do remember quoting):

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"If white Americans were to leave the country tomorrow, in ten years America would be a ghetto" writes Reverend Peterson.

Ouch! But one look at major cities run by black mayors, police chiefs and black-dominated city councils provides ample evidence to validate his assertion.


That was unmistakeably "RACIAL."



NEXT!!!



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It is clear to me that a certain ideology does a better job in FORCING THE SYSTEM TO CHANGE.


Now you're endorsing REPUBLICANS? 20

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STOP HATING ON YOURSELF!!!



Like I said.... NEXT!!!
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This list, posted on Wikipedia, also shows mayors who are Black, White, Democrat and Republican.

Crime rates for United States cities with populations Between 40,000 and 60,000 in 2005


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Frown It is clear to me that a certain ideology does a better job
... in FORCING THE SYSTEM TO CHANGE.
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LEAPS IN LOGIC...

It's clear to me BLACK REPUBLICAN, Black CONservatives just aren't steppin' up to the challenge in the most challenging cities -- political or otherwise (relatively speaking). They for damn sure aren't able to play the "look at what the Democrats have done" game to their advantage... Assuming that they have even stepped up to the challenge.

It's more like... they gravitate or just happen to appear in areas where there is LESS of a challenge.



OFF BLACK CONSERVATIVES... BUT STILL ON YOUR IDEOLOGY:

VOX mentioned Guliani. Well, he presided over the same New York (along with the current mayor, Bloomberg) with high Black (male) unemployment. BOTH Republicans. BOTH with bad "RESULTS"... when you (as you have) want to hold elected officials responsible for conditions.


So by RACE and by IDEOLOGY... all you show is more of your SELF-HATRED infused,
BLACK FOLKS = DUMB mentality.
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........Again it is more important to vote for individuals who truly serve you.

Be it Democrat, Republican, or otherwise, in many proven instances our own elected Black leaders refuse to protect the lawful rights of Black people. Even while in the position of elected reprepresentative, in matters that demand equity, typically our own elected Black leaders play games of deceit, are blatantly incompetent, and/or side with the perpetrators to award a worthless plaque to Black families truly violated by government. I suppose the ineptness of our own Democratic elected leadership and/or those who praise them is also the doing of the President Bush, the Bush Administration, the Republican Party, Condoleeza Rice, Ward Connerly, Corporate America, Punch and Judy, violent crime being more prevalent in the subburbs, the Black community can't possibly be its own worse enemy, etc., etc.
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Frown This is not RACIAL Frown



Says the StormFRONTIN' LIAR. The same LIAR who said this:


"In the metro Atlanta region I can think of about 6 county/city governments that are dominated by African-American politicians - mayor/county CEO, police chief, school board heads and a bevy of judges sitting on the bench with a BLACK District Attorney choosing who to prosecute. The same is the case for most of the cities that I frequently include on my "Progressive Black Run Cities" list."
Ohio ... prior to the last election, Ohio's governor was a white Republican. While serving his second term, he stood trial for violating an ethics law he wrote and fired others for violating. He was found guilty and will not be practicing law in the state anytime soon.

All of his close political associates and/or buddies are either standing trial or have been convicted of crimes and serving prison and/or other sentences.

Your point?
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Ohio ... prior to the last election, Ohio's governor was a white Republican. While serving his second term, he stood trial for violating an ethics law he wrote and fired others for violating. He was found guilty and will not be practicing law in the state anytime soon.

All of his close political associates and/or buddies are either standing trial or have been convicted of crimes and serving prison and/or other sentences.

Your point?


.....the difference being instead of being held accountable, and standing trial for their criminal, unethical, and blatantly sleazy actions, any Black elected official caught stealing from the Black community would be honored, re-elected, praised, and slim chance exists where such an individual would face civil penalties or criminal indictment.

Case in point, Congressman William Jefferson was caught stealing from the Black community, and Black folks overwhelming voted this trash back into elected office.

Carpetbagging no good Yvonne "Brentwood" Burke is in violation of, and continues to violate the Los Angeles County Charter. The Los Angeles County Charter mandates that every Board of Supervisor member reside in the district represented. Brentwood Burke does not live in the 2nd Los Angeles County Supervisoral District at all. For the entire time that Burke has held elected office, she's been a fraud. The Black middleclass are aware of this, but the so-called Black middleclass choose to promote and defend sleaze, at the expense of the Black community. The dysfunctional Black electorate have voted no good "Brentwood" Burke in office time and time again.

I'm not even going to mention the native of Trinidad (illegal immigrant but not naturalized citizen) Merv Dymally!

Reverend Henry Lyons being another example. Caught stealing, served time in prison for stealing, and dysfunctional Black folks gave "Jackleg" Lyons red carpet treatment to welcome him back into pulpit!

I can cite numerous examples of this nature, examples that prove that there is indeed a huge difference. Other ethnic groups will hold those who are found criminal and unethical accountable. Typically, in the Black community such an individual, individuals, or an organization composed of misfits and sleazy individuals, is made honorable. A street or park may be named in their dishonor, and/or the perpetrator or perpetrators, may be promoted to an even greater position of influence to deceive the Black community.
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Your point? Your response alludes that scandalous Black individuals are somehow honored for their illegal deeds while their white contemporaries are made to be accountable. Do you actually believe that? Or are you just typing because you don't have anything else to do?

There are far too many scandals from the White House on down to small town city council involving both Dems and Reps, Blacks and whites, that were swept under the rug. Some people get away with their chit and others don't. It is not a Black thing, and I really hope that you know better than that but are debating for debate's sake.

If you honestly believe that you are standing on solid ground, please do some research, get a clue, learn some history, get some serious data, and then come back and make a valid point. Perhaps then we can have an objective discussion about political corruption.
Notice I have yet to state that Caucasians or others are not criminal. Criminals, sleazy individuals are in most any community.

It just happens that the Black community is the most forgiving, praising misfit communities on the planet. Perhaps too much religious doctrine has blinded Black people to the extent that anything is passed as being decent.

Of course I believe it, and so do many other individuals. The many other individuals may not be Black or if they are Black, their numbers are too small to oppose the treason and ignorance that exists within the Black community.
Don't need to generalize anything, plenty of proof exists to prove it, be it from me, or numerous other sources. The Black community is losing ground fast, falling, facing extinction because of this foolishness, foolishness in destroying itself.

Caucasians are not facing extinction. Koreans are not facing extinction. Filipinos are not facing extinction. The Vietnamese are not facing extinction. The native American Indians are even making a come back through investing in lucrative casinos throughout the U.S., are not facing extinction. Hispanics are not facing extinction. Illegal Hispanic immigrants are not facing extinction. Jews are not facing extinction. The north African Islamic community is not facing extinction.

The largest homeless population in Los Angeles County, and/or other jurisdictions, is composed of U.S. born Black people, who are U.S. citizens by birthright, whose blood relatives, are also U.S. citizens by birthright. When you consider the number of U.S. born Black men and women behind bars, more U.S. born Black men and women behind bars, as a percent of their population of U.S. citizens, killed or maimed by other Black people, expiring because of HIV/Aids, that would not be considered growth or prosperity. This falls in the realm of a community that is dying.
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Originally posted by Sandye:
As part of the Black community, what are you doing to solve the problem? Remember the adage ... if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.


...again a good start would be to rid the Black community of the treasonous, the sleazy, the unethical, the criminal, and/or truly protecting the rights of the truly innocent, which is not happening in the Black community!

....having personally seen or witnessed the sleaze of our misfit leadership, the Black middleclass who praise them, when filing claims against government for proven atrocities, against the truly innocent for the crimes of government against the truly innocent, I'm not about to flip this script! I've experienced some the games. I know other individuals who have been subjected to the same, thus this information, is very real!
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I don't need to prove anything to you, because I've proven myself. I have a mountain of documented evidence to prove it. Now as for those spoken of, it is now way past time for those who truly need to make sacrifices to prove themselves. I know "Obama Drama" is not the answer, because believe it or not, he is as phony as some of the individuals as mentioned! Believe it or not, there are numerous individuals from the "Hood" like myself, who have the same if not more, disdain for our no good leadership, and/or those who praise them.

I'm alive today because of what I have accomplished, and/or from the support of a few loyal individuals.
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Originally posted by Sandye:
Ohio ... prior to the last election, Ohio's governor was a white Republican. While serving his second term, he stood trial for violating an ethics law he wrote and fired others for violating. He was found guilty and will not be practicing law in the state anytime soon.

All of his close political associates and/or buddies are either standing trial or have been convicted of crimes and serving prison and/or other sentences.

Your point?


Wow - Check out the Pavlovian Associations going on here.

The thread was about DANGEROUS CITIES. (My initial post that this list was extracted from was about the LONG PROMISED delivery of BENEFIT to the BLACK COMMUNITY for "putting someone in office who looks like us and has our best interests in mind".)

ML made his comments about the increased violence in these cities despite having Black leadership.

But then came Sandye. In seeing Black Democrats talked about negatively when it comes to crime did she:

* Bring forth statistics to COUNTER these arguments?
* Talk about the crime rates of these cities PRIOR TO these elected Blacks taking power?

NOOOOOOOOO
Her natural response was "Black Democrat getting attacked".........let me bring forth some White Republicans to talk about.
But wait that's not all. It is the corrupt former governor of Ohio that is the COUNTER POINT to the initial argument about what Black Progressive Leadership has done in the way of reducing crime rates in the cities.

I take it that the high crime areas of Cleveland when a Black mother is hit over the head in an assault while walking down the street SHE SHOULD feel at ease......."At least they got rid of that CORRUPT WHITE GOVERNOR and the Black Republican Secretary of State. Now put that wrap around my head to stop the bleeding". 17 giveup
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Originally posted by Sandye:
There are far too many scandals from the White House on down to small town city council involving both Dems and Reps, Blacks and whites, that were swept under the rug. Some people get away with their chit and others don't. It is not a Black thing, and I really hope that you know better than that but are debating for debate's sake.

If you honestly believe that you are standing on solid ground, please do some research, get a clue, learn some history, get some serious data, and then come back and make a valid point. Perhaps then we can have an objective discussion about political corruption.


Excuse me sweety - the CONVERSATION WAS NOT ABOUT "POLITICAL CORRUPTION".

The conversation IS about the LEADERSHIP over our cities and how the PROMISE that by putting "our own people" in power THE BENEFIT WOULD RAIN DOWN TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

Thus far there has been a serious DROUGHT and no rain is forecast (that is unless OBAMA wins. Just think - Obama in the Black House, Democrats running the Senate and the House!!!! Blacks are going to RUN THIS COUNTRY!!! We gonna move from Project High Rises to the Business Skyscrapers down town that we have long been denied during working hours. It is going to be GREAT!!! Obama is a credit to his race.)
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Originally posted by Sandye:
Generalizations and stereotypes are not going anywhere as long as there are people who believe that everything is black and white. Free your mind ... the rest will follow, my Brother. White folks get away with murder every day.


It is not the WHITE FOLKS who are murdering Black folks that are of major concern to the Black person living in an unsafe community.

WOW here is a graph from OHIO. That DAMNED Corrupt White Republican governor allowed all of this to happen.

Looking at a breakdown by race, the rate of homicide in Mahoning County shows a significantly higher rate of blacks being involved in homicide than whites.



http://cc.ysu.edu/compstrat/firearms.htm

Where the heck is Mahoning County Ohio?
Back to StormFRONTIN!


I hope you busted a good one, my dear little WHITE BOY!



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CF, Reading posts such as the one above makes me wonder... ARE YOU:

(A) Contrary for the sake of being contrary?
(B) Woefully intellectually dishonest? - OR -
(C) Ignorant of the dynamics of [WHAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED]???




YOUR SLIP IS SHOWING!




ML:
the difference being instead of being held accountable, and standing trial for their criminal, unethical, and blatantly sleazy actions, any Black elected official caught stealing from the Black community would be honored, re-elected, praised, and slim chance exists where such an individual would face civil penalties or criminal indictment.


Sandye:
Your point? Your response alludes that scandalous Black individuals are somehow honored for their illegal deeds while their white contemporaries are made to be accountable... There are far too many scandals from the White House on down to small town city council involving both Dems and Reps, Blacks and whites, that were swept under the rug . . . White folks get away with murder every day.


sck

CONTEXT FOOL!!

sck

But get your RACISM ON!! And make sure you bust a good one! Like you didn't know...


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Excuse me sweety - the CONVERSATION WAS NOT ABOUT "POLITICAL CORRUPTION".

The conversation IS about the LEADERSHIP over our cities and how the PROMISE that by putting "our own people" in power THE BENEFIT WOULD RAIN DOWN TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY.


CORRECTION: ML brought up the POLITICAL CORRUPTION stuff; Sandye responded to it.

And there you go F-CKING IT UP for yourself AGAIN!!!


LYING, you said:
Frown This is not RACIAL Frown

Here you are CONTRADICTING that... HATING ON YOURSELF again:

> LEADERSHIP over our cities
> putting "our own people" in power
> BENEFIT... THE BLACK COMMUNITY


DAMSON!!!
...and CF

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It is not the WHITE FOLKS who are murdering Black folks that are of major concern to the Black person living in an unsafe community.

WOW here is a graph from OHIO. That DAMNED Corrupt White Republican governor allowed all of this to happen.

Looking at a breakdown by race, the rate of homicide in Mahoning County shows a significantly higher rate of blacks being involved in homicide than whites.



http://cc.ysu.edu/compstrat/firearms.htm

Where the heck is Mahoning County Ohio?


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Sandye and others, who claim to have such admiration for Obama, are doing "Obama Drama" a disservice to promote him on or from "myspace.com", the website that by far keeps more Black young people glued to pornography, thuggish street gang life, etc., over becoming proficient in math, English, natural science, U.S. history, a foreign language, playing a musical instrument, learning other constructive skills, etc.

The jest of Sandye's, an Nmaginate, etc., etc., response are typical though, the response being "So what, White folks commit criminal acts, or the actions of Caucasian leaders are also in and of the "toilet"!"......

....., but as CF, ML, and numerous individuals have pointed out through charts, graphs, documentation, personal experiences, the experiences of others, published news accounts, etc., etc., Caucasians and/or others are not facing extinction because of criminal activity, and/or the few and far between bad leaders that face criminal indictment, in their respective communities.

As usual the same individuals come out swinging to defend the nonsense that surely exists in our community, nonsense that is sending the Black community to the gallows!
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The jest of Sandye's, an Nmaginate, etc., etc., response are typical though, the response being "So what, White folks commit criminal acts, or the actions of Caucasian leaders are also in and of the "toilet"!"......

....., but as CF, ML, and numerous individuals have pointed out through charts, graphs, documentation, personal experiences, the experiences of others, published news accounts, etc., etc., Caucasians and/or others are not facing extinction because of criminal activity, and/or the few and far between bad leaders that face criminal indictment, in their respective communities.

As usual the same individuals come out swinging to defend the nonsense that surely exists in our community, nonsense that is sending the Black community to the gallows!


Careful ML -

A few months ago Sandye decided to stop posted in this web site because she was tired of me going against the grain rather than having a "Kumbya" chorus of agreement on the board.


My goal is to be THE SALT ON THE SNAILS BACK.
Nathaniel, Kevin41 and others are the epitome of arrogance and unaccountability. They are the "Attack Sheep Dogs" who keep all of the flock in line, bitting those of us who are wayward on the backs of our necks until we YIELD to the common theme.

Obama is nothing more than a VEHICLE for the masses of Black people to place their hopes upon. The disappointments that they will face EITHER if he loses OR if he wins but is not able to run the country in an unchecked fashion (because he is Black of course) is going to lead to a reappearance of their depression and "Conditioned Hopelessness".

One would THINK that over time - after going through cycles of the "First Black " syndrome that SOMEONE would come in and SYSTEMATICALLY work to fill the void between THE FRUSTRATIONS of where they reside now and the UNREALISTIC ASPIRATIONS that they have. It is the PROCESS of getting from A to Z (the promised land) that is more important than GETTING THERE.

So upon seeing massive problems in these Progressive big cities some people can do nothing more than to point to EXTERNAL FAILINGS (THEY left us behind in this city with all these problems or the Federal Government has failed us).

The CONSPIRACY THEORY is the most disabling tactic that they use. As they attempt to span the gap between what they SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES happen in the real world and what they have been conditioned to think for a long period of time that should happen......the CONSPIRACY THEORY steps in and provides mental cushioning for their BRAINS so that it does not have to leave the COMFORT ZONE that they want it to remain in.

I am more disappointed with "Educated Blacks" for carrying the torch than I am with those without education because the educated ones SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Back to StormFRONTIN!

I hope you busted a good one, my dear little WHITE BOY!


One man's "StormFronting"
is another man's SPEWING THE PAINFUL TRUTH WITH HOPES THAT YOUR PUNK AZZ WILL CHANGE.

In your arrogance - this is occurring.
In your DEFENSE OF THE STATUS QUO - this is occurring
In your propensity to attack those who THREATEN your sensibilities while you rain SILENCE upon those who are doing physical damage to Black people - this is occurring.


OH Nathaniel - GOOD FOR coming up with the STUDY as to HOW THE WAY WHITE FOLKS USED TO TREAT US BACK IN THE DAY is having an impact on how Blacks are behaving today. That KNEEGROW in Youngstown who will shoot that Black man down on April 2nd has his sins WASHED AWAY like a Jesus type character because in NATHANIEL'S MIND ......... he is not operating on his own volition.

Nope - the WHITE OPPRESSOR from long back in the day is STILL TURNING THE SCREWS on the Black man. This ACADEMIC REPORT proves it!!!

Nathaniel the Racism Chaser - always seeking VALIDATION from some report that is written by someone with his own inclinations.

Talk about HAVING THE BLACK MAN to stay resident in the lives of THAT WHICH HE CREATED as a primary fix for the problem? NOPE Francis Cress Welsing said that IT IS NOT IN THE CARDS FOR BLACK FOLKS to do this - the MAN is bent on running the Black man away from his Black woman to keep confusion going. "Welsing said it. I believe it. That settles it".

How many Black men, before jetting on their Black woman - held up the Isis Papers and said "See B>>>>> I am DESTINED to roll on you. I am not running away from my responsibilities - the WHITE MAN made it this way".


BUT OOOOOOOHHHH Let Star Parker come with a more LOGICAL set of plans which calls a spade a spade and proposes that THE BLACK MAN/WOMAN has more AFFIRMATIVE SAY in their own lives.......we see Nathaniel ATTACK HER with the same force that he HOLD UP the RACISM chaser's views.

You are pathetic and you don't even realize it.

I thought that "Black Power" was strong and had INHERENT BELIEF IN THE BLACK MAN. I see that it is really a rouse for RIGHTS to Redistributed Resources from a SYSTEM THAT YOU DESPISE.
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One man's "StormFronting"
is another man's SPEWING THE PAINFUL TRUTH WITH HOPES THAT YOUR PUNK AZZ WILL CHANGE.


You want me to CHANGE because YOU DON'T WANT ANY RESPONSIBILITY!!

You don't want to be held responsible for what you say!
You don't want to PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!! You want other people to do that FOR YOU!


YOU PREACHED this:


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Posted March 26, 2007 06:51 PM

[Since] you want your THEORIES in place within [the Black] community
then it is imperative that you formulate a COMMUNITY BASED network
of concerned people to engage... people [WITHIN the Black Community].



Then when asked for what you've FORMULATED and about the people you have ENGAGED... you cried:

Frown Why am I FORCED to have a "community based" venture? Frown

And worst...


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Posted March 26, 2007 09:01 PM

I cannot will not LEAVE MY HOUSE to be the primary guide for... another man

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:

You want me to CHANGE because YOU DON'T WANT ANY RESPONSIBILITY!!
You don't want to be held responsible for what you say! You don't want to PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!!


You want other people to do that FOR YOU!


MY RESPONSIBILITY has left my house at 7am and 7:30am. They return home this afternoon.

Why don't you work to stop assuming HANDICAP upon other people and ACTUALLY ASK SOMETHING OF THEM?

Put down your MICHEAL ERIC DYSON slick talking psychology and come into the REAL WORLD.
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One man's "StormFronting"
is another man's SPEWING THE PAINFUL TRUTH WITH HOPES THAT YOUR PUNK AZZ WILL CHANGE.


You want me to CHANGE because YOU DON'T WANT ANY RESPONSIBILITY!!

You don't want to be held responsible for what you say!
You don't want to PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!! You want other people to do that FOR YOU!


YOU PREACHED this:


quote:
Posted March 26, 2007 06:51 PM

[Since] you want your THEORIES in place within [the Black] community
then it is imperative that you formulate a COMMUNITY BASED network
of concerned people to engage... people [WITHIN the Black Community].



Then when asked for what you've FORMULATED and about the people you have ENGAGED... you cried:

Frown Why am I FORCED to have a "community based" venture? Frown

And worst...


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Posted March 26, 2007 09:01 PM

I cannot will not LEAVE MY HOUSE to be the primary guide for... another man




Like I said... YOU WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THINGS FOR YOU!! You want me to change FOR YOU!
(and, in truth, you want me to CHANGE and stop EXPOSING you. YOU = PUNK-by-FRAUD!)


It's not that hard:

Since you want your THEORIES in place within the Black community...
THEN IT IS INCUMBENT ON YOU TO PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!!


YOU SAID IT!! YOU DO IT!!! STEP UP and accept that RESPONSIBILITY!!
Enough of your BLAME MANAGEMENT ISSUES!! "Be the CHANGE in the world you want to see."

Don't beg me to CHANGE and hold me responsible for do what YOU want to see done.
Do it your damn self and STOP MAKING EXCUSES!! (Re: your March 26, 2007 post at 09:01 PM)


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MY RESPONSIBILITY has left my house at 7am and 7:30am.


NOPE!! Your responsibility is to... PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!! or STFU!!!


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Posted March 26, 2007 06:51 PM

[Since] you want your THEORIES in place within [the Black] community
then it is imperative that you formulate a COMMUNITY BASED network
of concerned people to engage... people [WITHIN the Black Community].




Again, IT IS INCUMBENT ON YOU TO PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!!
Don't be scared of your own WORDS!! Don't be scared and cry because you're being held to WHAT YOU DEMAND OTHERS TO DO! You want me to CHANGE... Well, get to CHANGIN' your fraud-azz FIRST!!! PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH or STFU!!!



It's just that simple.
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Since you want your THEORIES in place within the Black community...
THEN IT IS INCUMBENT ON YOU TO PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!!


Actually the REVERSE is true and more permanent.

CULTURE is an amalgamation of KNOWLEDGE that has been built up over a period of time. It contains several "if you put your hands on a hot stove you are going to get burned" antidotes. It is communicated between generations.

The fact is, Nathaniel, the community doesn't need RESCUE or some "Super Mentor". It needs to be DISLODGED of Kneegrows on Stage With A Mic in their Hands who keep galvanizing UNITY by tapping in to people collective frustrations and perceived victimization.

What needs to happen is that more lessons be adopted into the culture and more of the cajoling that you and others attempt to direct at ME be directed as the people who need changing the most.

You have not developed the skill of seeking change through them. You expect CHANGE TO RAIN DOWN UPON THEM from the outside.

When you find your voice things will change.
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Actually the REVERSE is true and more permanent.


ENGLISH!!!

YOU SAID IT! YOU DO IT!! or S.T.F.U.!!!


IT IS INCUMBENT ON YOU TO PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!!
WHAT YOU PREACH!! Otherwise, SHUT THE F-CK UP!! It's just that simple!


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CULTURE is an amalgamation of KNOWLEDGE that has been built up over a period of time.


NON-SEQUITUR GIBBERISH!!
PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!!


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The fact is, Nathaniel, the community doesn't need RESCUE or some "Super Mentor".


Okay. Then PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!!


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It needs to be DISLODGED of Kneegrows on Stage With A Mic


Okay. Then PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!!


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What needs to happen is that more lessons be adopted into the culture


COOL!!! PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!!


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You have not developed the skill of seeking change through them.


Okay! SHOW YOUR SKILLS!!! PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!!
Show what you have DEVELOPED and SHOWCASE the COMMUNITY BASED NETWORK(S) you've formulated or sck


You guessed it!! SHUT THE F-CK UP!!

Enough of your BLAME MANAGEMENT, EXCUSE MAKING, NO RESPONSIBILITY TAKING ISSUES!!


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Frown When you find your voice things will change. Frown


Please!!! BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE!! YOU SAID IT! YOU DO IT!! STOP MAKING EXCUSES!!!
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Do you notice that MBM never tells you to "pull up" with the language that you use?


No. Because he does it and has done it several times now.

Stop trying to change the subject. STOP PLAYING THE VICTIM and act like you got a pair, son!!


Now, tell me...

What's the problem?
Why are you trying to get away from...
PRACTICING WHAT YOU PREACH?





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[Since] you want your THEORIES in place within [the Black] community
(you are forever trying to act like your ideology is best)
then it is imperative that you formulate a COMMUNITY BASED network
of concerned people to engage... people [WITHIN the Black Community].



IT IS INCUMBENT ON YOU TO PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!!


WHAT SAY YOU?
As a point of clarity, CF, you were not the reason I needed an AAorg break ... it was attitudes such as yours. Don't think more highly of yourself than you should. You were not the only one displaying a funk nasty attitude at the time. I detest disrespect on any level. This board is cyclical in nature and when folks start behaving as though others are not worthy of respect, I take a pause for the cause. Negativity is not my thing.

Believe me, CF, you are not powerful or aggravating enough to kick me out of my home on the net and keep me away from my most beloved Brothers and Sisters. If a sho' nuff tuff showdown ensued ... you would leave before I would and that is just a matter of fact.

Just wanted to make that clear ... I have been around a long time and am here to stay. Sometimes I need a break because I am a human being with an offline life that is far more important to me than this board. Everyone should take a break every once in a while. It clears the mind.
Fair enough and point well taken.

It seems to me that CERTAIN people on this board have a problem with Black people who fundamentally disagree with their position AND the common line among Black people. They begin to ATTACK, acting as "Attack Sheep Dogs", biting wayward sheep on the back of the neck until they come back into the fold.

Are you catching Kraal and his antics about the UNEDUCATED? I have a degree and years of high level experience but HE needs to dumbify me in order to pacify his own insecurities.

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You were not the only one displaying a funk nasty attitude at the time. I detest disrespect on any level. This board is cyclical in nature and when folks start behaving as though others are not worthy of respect, I take a pause for the cause. Negativity is not my thing.


I hear you.

There is a clear distinction between CRITICISM with the hope of COURSE CORRECTION and Negativity with the hopes of destorying.
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There is a clear distinction between CRITICISM with the hope of COURSE CORRECTION


And there is a clear DISCONNECT with the things you say.

In order to have any "hope" that someone YOU have fundamentally disagreements with will CHANGE or "CORRECT" their COURSE (to adopt your partisan lingo, pet-rhetoric and pet-issues), you would have to be "TAKEN SERIOUSLY." No amount of "criticizing" someone who DOES NOT RESPECT YOU or your jacked up "arguments" (full of bs, dishonesty and rhetorical fluff) can inspire ANYONE to CHANGE.

Plus you can't direct anyone to the CORRECT COURSE and even 11 year olds know that.


You "criticize" because you have BLAME MANAGEMENT ISSUES and you want to place RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY on anybody but yourself!! You've proven that over and over.

You couldn't change a dollar even if you had 4 quarters.
You just don't have (even the most basic of) skills.

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