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Originally posted by Cholly:
This is amazing.

Despite many calling the reference of Obama by Al Qaeda #2 a House Negro and saying that (1) "This reads as if its nothing more than bait" or (2) "Anyone who feeds into this propaganda is stupid" or (3) "a great deal of propaganda this government has indulged in over the past eight years in regard to 9/11 and the "War On Terror" has been proven unfounded, baseless, unsubstantiated, false, flat out LIES!" the cold reality is that Al Qaeda and terrorism is REAL and America is at war on a two nation fronts with U.S. military personnel already in Iraq giving over 4,000 lives, 30,000+ wounded and thousands with PTSD, broken homes/families and in addition, over 1 million Iraq civilians dead and thousands of people in Afghanstan and Pakistan dead, in addition to hundres of U.S. military dead and thousands wounded in Afghanstan.

And the numbers keep climbing.

Al Qaeda calling Obama a House Negro and people are shocked and pissed? Anyone ever considered that maybe Al Qaeda actually read The Autobiography Of Malcom X or knows about the Civil Rights Movement?

Go tell the families of those dead and wounded soldiers, the Iraquis and the people of Afghanstan/Pakistan that this is all propaganda, bait, stupid or flat out lies.


My cousin served in Iraq, thank you. Point null and void.

Now, there would not be any deaths in Iraq if when had not INVADED. Al Qaeda WAS NOT IN IRAQ prior to the U.S. invasion. Are you implying Al Qaeda had something to do with the vast number of civilian casualties in Iraq? Perhaps you didn't know but enough evidence has been established which suggest MOST of the civilian casualties in Iraq is the result of ETHNIC WARFARE BETWEEN RIVAL SUNNI AND SHIITE GROUPS, NOT AL QAEDA. Again, this would not have happened if the U.S. HAD NOT INVADED. What right-wing sources have you been reading?
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Originally posted by Wiz:
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I was waiting for you or Momentum to accuse me of being sympathetic toward Arab issues. What took you so long?

Obviously you give this government far too much credit - certainly the benefit of the doubt, do you not? Did it ever cross your mind that just maybe this "translated" video is doctored? But of course the U.S. government is beyond such foul things like that, right? A great deal of propaganda this government has indulged in over the past eight years in regard to 9/11 and the "War On Terror" has been proven unfounded, baseless, unsubstantiated, false, flat out LIES! Yet, it is you, who automatically assumes what is said is true. And please don't patronize me about what happened in Tanzania and Kenya when I know damn well - according to your twisted views about Africans - you don't give two shits about them.

Now, are there Islamic extremist? Yes. Do I believe everything our intelligence agencies claim these mystical groups have allegedly done? Hell no. Not even a fraction of what the government espouses.

I was recently talking to a friend and we both found it rather strange that there have been no videos of masked men beheading people Iraq and Afghanistan in years. What happened? The Muslims suddenly got tired of beheading people, or perhaps the propaganda perpetuated by Mossad and the CIA backfired?


For one I do not have twisted views of Africans. I do not even view Africans as one people, but that is neither hear nor there. I do not think I was patronizing you, but feel free. I have known that the war on terror is a sham as soon as it is over I expect they will move to a war on horror or some other abusrd thing. That said, just because you have two devils does not mean one is better for you than the other.

You need to un-bunch your panties, homeschool Al Qeada did blow up the embassies in Tanzania and Kenya and Arabs have failed to step and and deal with their boys in Sudan. But that shit is biting them in the ass, not that they really care about that pirated crew as much as they do about the that pirated oil (I mean, 19 pini-pinies, would Arabs really care).


Stop trippin


I wear seamless boxers. My underwear doesn't bunch up.
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
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I wonder which is worse between having (racist) American White folks or radical religious Arabs mad atcha?? Confused Confused



fro ummmmmmm19 I think it's like having a choice of being hit by a green bus or by being hit by blue bus. Same pain...different color. fro


Correctamundo! tfro
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
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I wonder which is worse between having (racist) American White folks or radical religious Arabs mad atcha?? Confused Confused



fro ummmmmmm19 I think it's like having a choice of being hit by a green bus or by being hit by blue bus. Same pain...different color. fro


Pretty much. Well, I'd say the former only because they're a much more real threat. I can't remember the last time I spent a moment being scared of al-Qaeda. I don't want to use racial epithets, but like Chris Rock said: "Motherfuck an al-Qaeda. I ain't scared of al-Qaeda, I'm scared of al-Cracka!" I DO remember the last time I was worried about racial retaliation from angry racist McCain/Palin voters.

I can't help but feel that al-Qaeda's comment is just a way of trying to goad African-Americans into supporting the War on Terra out of some sort of "vengeance" towards al-Qaeda for the comment. Contrary to popular brainwashed opinion al-Qaeda actually LIKES the War on Terror. It gives their "America is an evil empire hellbent on destroying the Middle East" message legitimacy and rallies more outraged Arab citizens grieving over civilian family members and friends being killed by American bomber jets and soldiers to the cause of al-Qaeda. Ingenious.
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Originally posted by Wiz:
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Originally posted by Dissident:
I truly doubt this latest transmission has anything to do with Al Qaeda. How many arabs use the Amerikkkan phrase "house negro"? This is another CIA ruse to keep people in perpetual fear. They want to keep the war going even after Obama is sworn in - and you know what - Obama will go right along with the program. War mongering from one administration to another. "Change We Can Believe". The intelligence community assumes by slurring AA's with an epithet, this will get African Americans blood pressure up since the vast majority of AAs have a savior complex for Obama at the moment. What better way to get more allies and support for this war than to insult a new president AAs are in love with? Hasn't anyone noticed every couple of months there's always a new Al Qaeda "number two" on the list after the military claims they killed the "number two" every six months? Some will buy this latest propaganda, I certainly wont.
They translated to 'House negro' he actually stated 'house slave' in Arabic, something arabs are all too familiar with since they still have African house slaves.


Okay, I'm going to have to start calling out people on made-up stories, and in particular I know you have racial hang-ups about Arabs (you even said you support Zionists) and have made claims before to goad Black members into hate Arabs. Where is your evidence for this claim?
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Originally posted by Dissident:
I guarantee we will soon see polls taken by CNN and others news circuits showing African Americans increasing their support for the "War On Terror". Just watch.


That's what I was getting at. Al-Qaeda supports the War on Terror because the more of their Arab countrymen are killed the more they know will turn to them for guidance and help during our illegal occupations. They also know America's economy is screwed (to put it politely) and know that if America keeps fighting expensive wars its economy will collapse.

It's an ingenious strategy: it's a geopolitical version of Muhammad Ali's "rope-a-dope" tactic. Get your opponent worked up and then let them whale on you for a while until they punch themself out, then unload on them when they are on their last legs. But it's a transparent if you're an intelligent person who stops and thinks and ignores "Yo mama" taunts meant to make you emotional and blind.

Al-Qaeda's strategy is this:
They know most African-Americans love themselves some Barack Obama and many are willing to put levels of trust in him that they would never give any other politician (or even some family members). Al-Qaeda wants more Americans to support the War on Terror to escalate American wars in the region to both drive more Middle Easterners into supporting Al-Qaeda as a resistance force and have America destroy itself by spending itself beyond broke. They know black Americans tend to support the War on Terror far less than white Americans. So how to get black Americans on board? Insult their idol, who they know supports the War on Terror. Once they have insulted Obama they know some black Americans will respond by jumping on board the "bomb all them damn towelheads!" bandwagon because Americans tend to be racist (including black people against non-black people) hot-headed, and emotionalistic. Thus not able to see through the plan. They know Obama will be willing to oblige the support to invade more Arab countries and help the Al-Qaeda plan.

Airtight plan that would make Emperor Palpatine proud. Goad Luke into tapping into his Dark Side emotions to turn him.
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Originally posted by Huey:
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
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I wonder which is worse between having (racist) American White folks or radical religious Arabs mad atcha?? Confused Confused



fro ummmmmmm19 I think it's like having a choice of being hit by a green bus or by being hit by blue bus. Same pain...different color. fro


Correctamundo! tfro



Withe the [white] American racist, you can see it coming, recognize patterns, symbols, prompts most/many times. With the arab-terroist, they deal in the element of surprise.
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Okay, I'm going to have to start calling out people on made-up stories, and in particular I know you have racial hang-ups about Arabs (you even said you support Zionists) and have made claims before to goad Black members into hate Arabs. Where is your evidence for this claim?


I said if I had to choose between jews and palestianians, I would choose jews because all the palestinians I come into contact with suck ass. But I do not have to choose to support either of them.

As far as evidence is concerned, well it is obvious that you have access to the internet and therfore internet search engines. Search words like 'modern African slavery Islamic nation Eastern Eritrea Sudan Saudi Arabia yemen' and you will have enough results to sift through to determine what you will and will not believe is or is not true.
I find it infinitely more interesting that Al Quaida members are reading Malcolm X picking up on certain themes within the black experience...

I'm not pleased that they are appropriating the black american experience to make whatever points they're trying to make

i just find it infinitely more interesting that they are attuned to such things and able to use the term in pretty much the same way we use it...

it's also funny watching members of the media with the house slave/house negro translation...
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
I find it infinitely more interesting that Al Quaida members are reading Malcolm X picking up on certain themes within the black experience...

I'm not pleased that they are appropriating the black american experience to make whatever points they're trying to make

i just find it infinitely more interesting that they are attuned to such things and able to use the term in pretty much the same way we use it...

it's also funny watching members of the media with the house slave/house negro translation...
yeah

But I need to learn to stop being surprised by stuff like this. We assume, because Americans tend not to know a lot about the finer points of foreign cultures, that foreigners don't know the finer points about ours. But time and again, I keep seeing how that's not true at all. Apparently, the worldwide dominance of our media and culture has allowed all kinds of American info to spread worldwide and be as well-known to them as it is to us. As a result, a figure like Malcolm X evidently is no secret to them, and neither is the concept of 'Abd' ul-Bayt (house negro).
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
It's an ingenious strategy: it's a geopolitical version of Muhammad Ali's "rope-a-dope" tactic.
lol

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Al-Qaeda's strategy is this:
They know most African-Americans love themselves some Barack Obama and many are willing to put levels of trust in him that they would never give any other politician (or even some family members). Al-Qaeda wants more Americans to support the War on Terror to escalate American wars in the region to both drive more Middle Easterners into supporting Al-Qaeda as a resistance force and have America destroy itself by spending itself beyond broke. They know black Americans tend to support the War on Terror far less than white Americans. So how to get black Americans on board? Insult their idol, who they know supports the War on Terror. Once they have insulted Obama they know some black Americans will respond by jumping on board the "bomb all them damn towelheads!" bandwagon because Americans tend to be racist (including black people against non-black people) hot-headed, and emotionalistic. Thus not able to see through the plan. They know Obama will be willing to oblige the support to invade more Arab countries and help the Al-Qaeda plan.
So once black people hate Al-Qaida (because we know they've been loving them up until now), Obama -- Mr. "Opposed the Iraq War from the Beginning," will say, "Hey, the brothas is on board, let's invade more countries! Bout ta brang it to day ass!" Only the most ideologically skewed mind would interpret this news that way.
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
I find it infinitely more interesting that Al Quaida members are reading Malcolm X picking up on certain themes within the black experience...

I'm not pleased that they are appropriating the black american experience to make whatever points they're trying to make


Because they're operating under the BS facade that they're "radicals". That's why they're trying to appropriate Black Empowerment language.


And as for the War on Terror, yes. Al-Qaeda loves it. Why do you think they supported George Bush and then John McCain for president?

http://www.highclearing.com/index.php/archives/2007/05/06/6355

http://words-of-power.blogspot.com/2006/07/hard-rain-jo...7-5-06-al-qaeda.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/22/al-qaeda-suppo...-endor_n_136779.html

http://www.americablog.com/2008/10/al-qaeda-endorses-mccain-seriously.html


It's because they know those two men were two of the worst possible choices for US president. They know that those two men would harm this country and do Al-Qaeda's work for them by destroying their own country from the Oval Office.
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Originally posted by Vox:
So once black people hate Al-Qaida (because we know they've been loving them up until now)


No, that's not at all what I was trying to say. I said I believe they're trying to get black Americans to support the War on Terror. Not get us to "hate Al-Qaeda" as if we loved them or supported them before. Al-Qaeda endorsed John McCain for a reason. Now that Obama won they're working on getting his biggest voter bloc who helped get him elected (black voters) to get on board the kind of platform that John McCain would have tried to get us on: becoming more pro-war.

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Obama -- Mr. "Opposed the Iraq War from the Beginning," will say, "Hey, the brothas is on board, let's invade more countries! Bout ta brang it to day ass!"


Not like that of course (dude, enough with the sarcasm) but Obama does support possibly going to war with Pakistan and possibly Iran.

http://ciaran-gallagher.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-supp...istani-invasion.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20070536/

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/281249,CST-NWS-OBAMA03.article

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/0...10.DTL&type=politics

We at least know that he wants to escalate the War in Afghanistan (you know, that other war):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/15/barackobama.usa1

(And just for you I picked non-"far left" sites. Wink)

And traditionally African-Americans are one of the American demographics least likely to support foreign wars. 7 out of 10 African-Americans opposed the Vietnam War and about the same ratio opposed the War in Iraq. Al-Qaeda knows this and that's what the intention of their publicized comment was. To goad more African-Americans into supporting the war.

It's easy enough to see through if you know what Al-Qaeda is actually about and the ways in which they operate to provoke Americans to harm themselves.

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Only the most ideologically skewed mind would interpret this news that way.


Or a mind paying attention to the news and looking at what Obama is actually saying and doing rather than what I would want to BELIEVE that he would do or say.

I'm sorry that reality of what he's doing and saying is clashing with your fantasy about what he is. Truth hurts sometimes.
Oh, in case you don't believe me, which I have a feeling you don't, take a look. Remember how some liberals keep saying that the War on Terror creates more terrorists instead of getting rid of them? Turns out it's a fact and not just one of those "leftist America-hating talking points". According to who you ask? Former Secretary of State Madeline Albright. You know, that Marxist loon with a radical communist agenda:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion...DI2008110302815.html

Or, listen to this brotha break it down:
(BTW that's not me)
http://searchwarp.com/swa388487.htm

But I digress. I'll shut up with all the socialist kool-aid and leave it to "real pragmatists" to figure it out. 19
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Originally posted by Wiz:
As far as evidence is concerned, well it is obvious that you have access to the internet and therfore internet search engines. Search words like 'modern African slavery Islamic nation Eastern Eritrea Sudan Saudi Arabia yemen' and you will have enough results to sift through to determine what you will and will not believe is or is not true.


Mind linking to some specific, credible sources since you're the one who made the claim?
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
I wonder if CF and crew shot themselves when Obama won..... Razz


laugh
He probably would have .. but he's probably talking too damn much to have pulled the trigger! Big Grin

wel back, Kevin41!! Your *colorful* commentary has been missed. Smile



**Thanks ER...this board contains a wealth of information and knowledge. as so far as Obama is concerned, I am going to wait and see how he approaches things before i draw any kind of judgement. I am not going to take the man and stick him some type of ideological "black" box in terms of his thinking. The fact that he orchestrated an imppecable campaign unlike any other and not beholden to the church types or any other typical groups shows me that he may take a unique approach to the presidency itself. Time will tell and I am hoping the Atty Gen. will reniforce and strengthen laws that as always had to be developed to FORCE equality.....take care......
Obama is looking into how to deal with Pakistan as an outgrowth of the war in Afghanistan. That's because the people we're supposed to be fighting in Afghanistan find refuge in the border areas in Pakistan. I know you oppose the war in Afghanistan, although that there would be the war you'd think we'd need to be in, given that this is where the Taliban and Al-Qaeda actually were. One of the biggest problems with the war in Iraq -- in addition to how bogus the rationales were, and how it had nothing to do with terrorism until after we invaded and allowed terrorists to enter the country -- was the fact that it siphoned off military attention away from the war in Afghanistan.

Nevertheless (because I know you don't think we should be in Afghanistan anyway), nothing you're pointing out here supports what you're saying: 1) that Al-Qaeda thinks calling Obama a house negro will enhance public support for invading more countries and fighting more wars, presumably against more countries that have nothing to do with Al-Qaeda; 2) That this idea would have been a "brilliant strategy" (LOL); 3) that any of this would change anything about support for wars we have no business getting involved in; or 4) that the Obama administration would somehow divine carte blanche to invade new countries that we can't afford to fight, and that would erode most of the very elements of trust and cooperation that he says we need to rebuild with other countries.
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
wel back, Kevin41!! Your *colorful* commentary has been missed. Smile
yeah And I like your point about seeing how BHO does. It's natural that we all love to engage in punditry. But at the end of the day, mostly we can do very little except wait and see what he does and how he does it.
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Originally posted by Vox:
Obama is looking into how to deal with Pakistan as an outgrowth of the war in Afghanistan. That's because the people we're supposed to be fighting in Afghanistan find refuge in the border areas in Pakistan. I know you oppose the war in Afghanistan, although that there would be the war you'd think we'd need to be in, given that this is where the Taliban and Al-Qaeda actually were. One of the biggest problems with the war in Iraq -- in addition to how bogus the rationales were, and how it had nothing to do with terrorism until after we invaded and allowed terrorists to enter the country -- was the fact that it siphoned off military attention away from the war in Afghanistan.


I wouldn't be opposed to targeting specific groups with a coalition of US and UN special ops teams with both the approval of the UN and the approval of the countries we're fighting in. I'm opposed to illegal invasions that violate the sovereignty of other nations. I believe in crazy things like obeying international law (not saying that you don't). I believe our fight is with a few thousand or so people, not going in illegally and bombing entire countries killing 50,000+ civilians in Afghanistan and upwards of 500,000 in Iraq.

It's like the difference between sending in a SWAT team to specifically target a neighborhood sniper instead of sending in planes to just turn the whole neighborhood into a parking lot with everyone still inside their homes in order to kill the sniper.

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Nevertheless (because I know you don't think we should be in Afghanistan anyway), nothing you're pointing out here supports what you're saying: 1) that Al-Qaeda thinks calling Obama a house negro will enhance public support for invading more countries and fighting more wars, presumably against more countries that have nothing to do with Al-Qaeda;


That's just a theory of mine based on Al-Qaeda's MO. Which is to get the US to continue Bush's War Doctrine. Like I said, there was a reason they endorsed Bush and McCain and not Gore or Obama. This link here really broke down the reasons why:

http://searchwarp.com/swa388487.htm

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2) That this idea would have been a "brilliant strategy" (LOL);


If they do manage to get more Americans to support more economically draining invasion wars it is a "brilliant strategy". Strategically it's an excellent plan to get your enemy (their enemy is America) to destroy themself and do all of your work for you.

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3) that any of this would change anything about support for wars we have no business getting involved in;


That's kind of repeating Point 1.

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or 4) that the Obama administration would somehow divine carte blanche to invade new countries that we can't afford to fight, and that would erode most of the very elements of trust and cooperation that he says we need to rebuild with other countries.


I'm not sure about what Obama personally believes about foreign wars, but these comments from him don't comfort me:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/0...10.DTL&type=politics

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Sen. Barack Obama said Friday he would return the country to the more "traditional" foreign policy efforts of past presidents, such as George H.W. Bush, John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan.

At a town hall event at a local high school gymnasium, Obama praised George H.W. Bush "” father of the president "” for the way he handled the Persian Gulf War: with a large coalition and carefully defined objectives.

Obama began a six-day bus tour through Pennsylvania, the largest remaining primary prize in the contest with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic nomination. Sen. John McCain is the Republican nominee-in-waiting.

"The truth is that my foreign policy is actually a return to the traditional bipartisan realistic policy of George Bush's father, of John F. Kennedy, of, in some ways, Ronald Reagan, and it is George Bush that's been naive and it's people like John McCain and, unfortunately, some Democrats that have facilitated him acting in these naive ways that have caused us so much damage in our reputation around the world," he said.


Anyone who is well-versed in American politics and American political history knows what that means. Especially the reference to JFK (who was more hawkish than Eisenhower and accused the Republicans of being "too soft on Communism"). I think Obama may be implying that Bush is like Eisenhower of all people(that guy who was too soft on the Commies) and himself to JFK (who wanted the US to go to war with SE Asia to get some killing done). If you don't buy that interpretation then the George H.W. and Ronald Reagan appraisal should be a dead giveaway.

Even if Obama himself truly isn't the warmongering hawk he's trying to make himself out to be the people around him ARE hawks. Specifically Rahm Emanuel who supported the War in Iraq more than Bush himself. I said the War in Iraq, the one the Democrats call the "bad war" as opposed to the "good war" (Afghanistan).
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:


Mind linking to some specific, credible sources since you're the one who made the claim?


google.com
yahoo.com
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Originally posted by Dissident:
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Originally posted by Cholly:
This is amazing.

Despite many calling the reference of Obama by Al Qaeda #2 a House Negro and saying that (1) "This reads as if its nothing more than bait" or (2) "Anyone who feeds into this propaganda is stupid" or (3) "a great deal of propaganda this government has indulged in over the past eight years in regard to 9/11 and the "War On Terror" has been proven unfounded, baseless, unsubstantiated, false, flat out LIES!" the cold reality is that Al Qaeda and terrorism is REAL and America is at war on a two nation fronts with U.S. military personnel already in Iraq giving over 4,000 lives, 30,000+ wounded and thousands with PTSD, broken homes/families and in addition, over 1 million Iraq civilians dead and thousands of people in Afghanstan and Pakistan dead, in addition to hundres of U.S. military dead and thousands wounded in Afghanstan.

And the numbers keep climbing.

Al Qaeda calling Obama a House Negro and people are shocked and pissed? Anyone ever considered that maybe Al Qaeda actually read The Autobiography Of Malcom X or knows about the Civil Rights Movement?

Go tell the families of those dead and wounded soldiers, the Iraquis and the people of Afghanstan/Pakistan that this is all propaganda, bait, stupid or flat out lies.


My cousin served in Iraq, thank you. Point null and void.

Now, there would not be any deaths in Iraq if when had not INVADED. Al Qaeda WAS NOT IN IRAQ prior to the U.S. invasion. Are you implying Al Qaeda had something to do with the vast number of civilian casualties in Iraq? Perhaps you didn't know but enough evidence has been established which suggest MOST of the civilian casualties in Iraq is the result of ETHNIC WARFARE BETWEEN RIVAL SUNNI AND SHIITE GROUPS, NOT AL QAEDA. Again, this would not have happened if the U.S. HAD NOT INVADED. What right-wing sources have you been reading?

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Thank you cousin for me for his miltary service.

That is not the point and yes we all know that Bush/Chaney set this up and lied about it. That water under the bridge.

People here are bitchin' and moanin' over the term "House Negro" and the Al Qaeda leader who said it. We are called (direct & indirect) nigger everyday and this gets this much attention?

Is it because some terrorists outside the U.S. said it (calling Obama, to use an old country term, a "bukra pimp" or because it's a foreign non-White person? So fuckin' what? Negro please and who gives a shit.

The big picture? Soldiers are dying and getting seriously wounded every day and yes it was not their fault but the reality and danger of the situation cannot be overlooked.

At this point it does not matter who's name-calling who and who's to blame. Those points are null and void.

The reality is the cold hard facts of two wars and those troops (including your cousin) are stuck in both places with targets on their backs and death tugging at their elbows fearful of dying and the worst part? Al Qaeda has reconstituted it's numbers of personnel, gotten stronger, has studied our tactics and are looking to continue the fight until they all die, if that's ever a possibility.

These SOB's are not going to give up, especially in Afghanstan (home turf) and they are not going to turn over or allow Bin Laden to be captured or killed by the U.S. without a long drawn out deadly battle. This is going to get real. I hope that Obama understands that fully.

It's one thing to make promises on the campaign trail and make it seem like it easy but it's another thing to get it done and his will not be an easy task.

This will be much more differcult and bloodier than Iraq. Obama promised and wants the Bin Laden prize and getting it will not be easy.

As much as the U.S. downplays it vs the Iraq war, Afghanstan is going to be a tough row to hoe and the focus shold be n supporting the troops, not worry about bullshit name calling.

In the next video don't be suprised that Al Qaeda calls Obama a straight up nigger. Don't trip.
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Originally posted by Wiz:
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:


Mind linking to some specific, credible sources since you're the one who made the claim?


google.com
yahoo.com


Since you have yet to cite any specific evidence I call "bullshit". I say you made that shit up on the spot.
If you wanted to know, there is evidence enough available to you. But knowing is not what you are interested in and because you have no interest in knowing (or perhaps you are more interested in not knowing) there is nothing I could give you to change your mind ( which I am not all that interested in doing). If it makes you feel better to believe you have bested me, feel free. I can live with that (because I know and you don't).
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Originally posted by Wiz:
If you wanted to know, there is evidence enough available to you.


So why is it so difficult for you to cite a credible article or two? If you look at my posts in this thread (and others) whenever I make a claim that I'm proposing to be a fact I almost always back it up with copious evidence. Links and all. You can do the same since you are the one who made that claim about black slavery in the Middle East.

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But knowing is not what you are interested in and because you have no interest in knowing (or perhaps you are more interested in not knowing)


I'm very interested in knowing which is why I keep asking you specific links. If I wasn't interested I would just try to silently drop the subject. Since you're speaking with such certainty on the subject part of me thinks "Maybe this guy has a point and knows what he's talking about". But your stalling is starting to make me think maybe you're making it up.
I told you, if knowing is what you want to do, there are quite a few organizations that track slavery all over the world. That is 'if' you want to know. If you want to prove me wrong, then you already have
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Originally posted by Wiz:
I told you, if knowing is what you want to do, there are quite a few organizations that track slavery all over the world.


That's not the point. The point is that in a conversation the burden of proof is on he who claims (which is you in this occasion). Notice how I took it upon myself to provide all those links in my posts to Vox and NS when I made claims that needed backing? I can indeed go to Google but the point is that since I'm not the one who made the positive claim I shouldn't have to. It's your duty.
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
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Originally posted by Wiz:
I told you, if knowing is what you want to do, there are quite a few organizations that track slavery all over the world.


That's not the point. The point is that in a conversation the burden of proof is on he who claims (which is you in this occasion). Notice how I took it upon myself to provide all those links in my posts to Vox and NS when I made claims that needed backing? I can indeed go to Google but the point is that since I'm not the one who made the positive claim I shouldn't have to. It's your duty.


You are not compelled to go to Google or Yahoo and search out on your anything on your own. I am not making a 'claim' that requires backing.


You do not have to believe anything I say and I am not asking you to disprove it. If other folk want to provide links, good on them. That ain't my make up, I tried it once and was not fond of it. It did not make me feel one bit better. So I do not bother with it. It is not my duty to provide you links or to back up a damned thing I say with someone else saying the same thing. What the hell?

You can either trust me or not. That is on you. If I mislead you, you have no reason to trust me. If you need to verify the accuracy or inaccuracy of what I see, feel free.
It's just a pissing game.

Dogs are always barking when they fear the better competitor is coming.

Now the bite and the put down is what I want to see...

Vick ain't got nothin on that!

LOL...

"WIAW!"
This is a true story. The very first time I heard about modern day slavery in a way that was not quite what I thought it was (not in the sex trade which a lot of slavery is), it was a story in the New Yorker, about a slave who had come to America and escaped. He was a black person from Eritrea (East Africa is a kinds different place). Anyway, so I go to get my taxes done, many years later. And I see some Eritrean Money on the wall and notice the physical features of the guys doing my taxes, def East Africans. So I say "I heard they still have slaves in Eritrea."

He said "They are not slaves."

think about that for a minute.
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Originally posted by Wiz:
This is a true story. The very first time I heard about modern day slavery in a way that was not quite what I thought it was (not in the sex trade which a lot of slavery is), it was a story in the New Yorker, about a slave who had come to America and escaped. He was a black person from Eritrea (East Africa is a kinds different place). Anyway, so I go to get my taxes done, many years later. And I see some Eritrean Money on the wall and notice the physical features of the guys doing my taxes, def East Africans. So I say "I heard they still have slaves in Eritrea."

He said "They are not slaves."

think about that for a minute.



Think about what? Your post doesn't make any sense and is stupid on so many fronts its not even funny. What are you trying to say?


It seems you need to spend a little less time listening to white people and learn to think for yourself for a change.
LOL bang fro

Many people only want to hear what emotionally drives them, truth and the unknown be damned. Ideologues have all the answers.

Ideologues and dominate emotionally driven people are basically the same. There are reasons so many people stick to the letter of the Bible or the Koran and it's the same reason atheist adhere to their condescension and contempt toward anyone who is god oriented. But in fact they are ideologues and devoted to their way of thinking to the point they will sell out those they have much in common with.

The most important thing to ideologues is their strong feelings of conviction, their passion about issues that strikes them in a particularly emotional way, especially opinions of religious or secular faiths. They are caught up in their own intellectual conceits although not justified.

Therefore they become seriously indignant that their views are not universally embraced as the truth and react to opposing views with browbeating and name calling which belie their conceited view of being objective and logical.

As I have said on occasion, IDEOLOGUES OF ALL STRIPES WILL SELL YOU OUT! Even to a creed and race that have enslaved Black Africans longer than anyone in human history and to this very day.
You know what's creepy about this...I wouldn't be surprised if the Klan and skinheads would become pro--Al-Qaida, because of Obama's victory in the election. They're twisted like that.
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Originally posted by MaynardJ:
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I say "I heard they still have slaves in Eritrea."

He said "They are not slaves."

think about that for a minute.



Think about what? Your post doesn't make any sense and is stupid on so many fronts its not even funny. What are you trying to say?


It seems you need to spend a little less time listening to white people and learn to think for yourself for a change.
What white people are you talking about? The everyone in the previous post is black, the eritreans, me and the escaped slave. Talk about a long jump to the wrongest conclusion

Anyway what to think about is that he did not say that such a thought was an absurd one, but in his answer he did acknowledge that there were people in his society that other people might consider slaves.
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Originally posted by Huey:
You know what's creepy about this...I wouldn't be surprised if the Klan and skinheads would become pro--Al-Qaida, because of Obama's victory in the election. They're twisted like that.


Also what is so creepy is that the office is just as quiet now than weeks after the election. I think on some level prideful conservatives are hoping for another 911 after Obama takes power and the economy becomes more than a nightmare.
Originally posted by Momentum:
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Also what is so creepy is that the office is just as quiet now than weeks after the election. I think on some level prideful conservatives are hoping for another 911 after Obama takes power and the economy becomes more than a nightmare.



fro But! They're COWARDS! And so it is going to be very interestin'....cuz let's not forget we got a lot of brothas out there too just waiting for a false move. Young Folks[and some old ones too] are not GONNA take it laying down anymore. It's a new day. Blackfolks got guns too. fro
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Originally posted by Huey:
You know what's creepy about this...I wouldn't be surprised if the Klan and skinheads would become pro--Al-Qaida, because of Obama's victory in the election. They're twisted like that.


They already are. When the twin towers went down, white supremacists celebrated and praised radical Muslims for their achievement.
Okay. Seriously--when I first heard this on CNN I laughed my ass off. I actually thought it was a joke. It shows just how out of touch that towel head is. Nobody but simple-minded negroes refer to each other as "house negro" or "field negro". So, who the fuck did he think he was trying to insult? 20

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