quote:AGAIN, for the Hard-Of-Learning...
Originally posted by Les Apt:
Do you wish to have a civil discussion, or are you going to attempt to intimidate me with your "angry black man" shoutdown routine?
Adults debate the subject matter; juveniles attack the debater.
quote:Yeah! I got it! I see exactly how that is both "civil" and not an expression of your "ANGRY WHITE MALE" - aka CONFUSED WHITE MALE SYNDROME.
Further, let's assume the "reality" of America is some evil conspiracy, as you portray.
Kevin posed a pretty straight-forward proposition. You are a SUB... The overwhelming majority of Major Contractors are WHite... Why is it that you are here raising issues and not attempting to engage the MAJOR WHITE CONTRACTORS who select SUBs in a "civil" and "adult debate?
Your whole purpose and being... here is misplaced.
AGAIN, come with the stats and concrete evidence that it is you who, first, would have specifically been chosen to do work had it not been for those self-described few minority SUbs who "took" work from you.
How can someone take something that never was yours in the first place? I have not heard you say that contracts that you already possessed or were assigned were taken from you.
MBM, KWELI have asked you in a very "civil" manner... But I doubt you are adult enough to answer any of that with anything but your inferences - i.e. no hardcore facts...
And if you could, again, your purpose here is drastically misplaced. You issue is with the Major Contractors who happen to be White...
You should stick with your qualified answer:
I don't have an answer.
That about sums it up!
I suggest you take a statistics course, instead of blaming the results of the statistics on some white conspiracy.
You keep making this White COnspiracy claim or rather attributing that idea to others... I have yet to see it have a basis in anything I or anyone else has said...
You can perhaps help in forwarding a "civil" debate by not making assumptions about what someone else is saying or coming here with preconceived notions about what someone thinks.
Quote, paraphrase, demonstrate where Kevin or I have made such a grand "conspiracy" claim/charge here. Either that or admit that that's your CONFUSED WHITE MALE BAGGAGE THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT INTO THIS DISCUSSION! And just because you have been questioned/contradicted you want to scream some extreme view that others have to strengthen you WEAK argument/angle.
Again, to the extent that "Reverse Discrimination" is real... WHO'S FAULT IS IT?
WHat really constitutes "reverse discrimination"?
Hint: You may have alluded to it... somewhat... but the REVERSE of something means it must be an exact opposite of the original.
Reverse Discrimination in the AMerican context, for example, would therefore mean that Blacks CONTROL ALL or most of everything in society... BLACKS enslaving WHITES, BLACK dominated segregation where Blacks are on the more "equal" side of Separate but [un]equal... Where Blacks Dominate Government, Politics, Industry, Economics etc. over Whites...
YOU HAVE NO POINT because there is no or very few instances of an exact "reverse" of the discriminatory practices that are historically White-over-Black... Now you have, if anything, a convoluted system of White-over-Black discrimination and for the most part White-over-White "discrimination" to make up for or rather to try to off-set the overwhelming presence and history of White-over-Black discrimination.
You have no one to BLAME but WHITEY himself!
If not for an extreme sense of self-interest whereby "Whitey" saw fit to try to racially monopolize every aspect of society and industry we would not be here. Where it not for those specific acts and the additional acts to undermine "minority" acquisition of some significant measure there would be no problem of having "minority" sub-contractors...
I'm sure you understand how BIG-Business constantly squeezes and even tries to eliminate small business competition... historically/currently... Well, my friend, don't suspend your sense just because this subject deals with race. The BIG-Squeeze and quest for (White racial monopoly/control) is why we are where we are today.
That doesn't take a conspiracy (to explain it)... it takes HISTORY and REALITY to know that that's the nature of doing business and doing business with those that are "established"....
There we have it... "ESTABLISHED" businesses, etc. is contingent on a history of which access to capital - which historically has been problematic along racial lines - is a major determinant.
HISTORY... not a conspiracy!
It the way things were, are and will be with the mode of thinking that's out there.
Funny how Kweli and MBM echoed what I said...