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The ADL has accussed Russell Simmons of hypocrisy because while he has publicly called for an end to anti-semitism, he apparantly refuses to condemn Farakhan's anti-semetic remarks. Specifically they point to a speech Farakhan gave where he described the Iraq war as being "Israel's war". Now I am no fan of Farakhan but I believe one can be anti-Israel and not be anti-semetic i.e. you don't dislike the Jewish people but you dislike Israel's policies. Then again I have heard of instances of Farakhan calling Hitler a great man and calling Judaism a "dirty" religion. Many black newspapers say he was misquoted while many Jewish sites say he was not. Any thoughts?

P.S. I trust you all, but can we refrain from using any racial or religious slurs.
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If u trust us, what's with the PS? I could be wrong, but I usually get the sense from your posts that you aim to try to gauge our responses for the purpose of judging us. But I don't get where in this site's history you get the sense for an honest need to ask us not to use slurs.

As if you expect a barrage of "crakka-ass hook-nosed-kike" to echo forth from this site. What's up with that?
Thanks for the spelling lesson...its a bit petty coming from you but thanks anyway. The word Cracker has been used on some occassions on this site hence the plea. All I wanted was to get people's views on the anti-Israel and anti-Semetism debate. My fear was that the debate could get heated and people would start throwing racial insults about. If you yourself haven't made any racial remarks or insults then why are you bothered by my plea?
No offense but if you guys really find small petty things funny then you really, really need to get out more. I didn't come here looking for a fight but there are people here who are obviously as sensitive, petty and paranoid as I am. We can do this back and forth all day long. I know, let me change the topic of this post to: Pettiness.
Since you can't take a joke and it's "legitimate" commentary that you want, I will give it a try.

Who gives a damn what the ADL thinks about R. Simmons?

They are apparently getting their attack plan ready for R.S. - just in case he should be named the next head of the NAACP. Typical ADL tactics. Rather than let us a people pick who we want to be our leaders, they feel a nead to "weigh in" - for those of you who don't know, that's code for "control the niggers" (sorry, I just couldn't control myself - despite your empassioned plea nono).

I say screw them and let their issues remain their issues - and stop trying to make their problems... everybody's problems.
Awww, there goes Audio Guy setting a good example again. Next time though, Mav, you should try to repress the urge to caution us negroes on proper behavior.

Meanwhile, I'll add that Louis Farrakhan, although I'm no huge follower of him, definitely was misrepresented on those quotes. He never called Judaism a dirty religion. First off, the ORIGINAL misquote was that he said "GUTTER religion," but then they changed it to "dirty," since he actually used the word "dirty" in the speech in question.

What he said was about the zionist tactic of using scripture to justify taking that land from the Palestinians & marginalizing them within its borders. The use of scripture to justify these actions is "dirty religion." The media got ahold of it & turned it into something else.

The "Hitler is a great man" quote, he probably used the words to be intentionally provocative. But what he was saying was that Hitler's ability to sell his outrageous ideas to the German people and reach the point where he not only became chancellor, but actually was able to put his ideas into effect, reflects some pretty impressive leadership ability, if nothing else.

This doesn't mean Farrakhan is not anti-Jewish. But it does mean that those quotes really have been misrepresented out of their context.
Well, I've put MAV on notice more than once for coming here on some BULLSHIT!

Put me down with AG.

Now, MAVERICK...

Any thoughts on why you keep coming here on some BULLSHIT? And you sure seem to be obsessed with Farrakhan & the NOI.

What is that all about?
(i.e. DIRECT QUESTION deserves a DIRECT ANSWER)

If you want a forum where NOI members frequent I can give you a link. For the life of me, I keep forgetting how so many of them come here... Wink
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Originally posted by Vox:
The "Hitler is a great man" quote, he probably used the words to be intentionally provocative...


He meant that hitler was great in the sense that he was consequential... He affected history in a great manner, not that he was a great guy. In case any of you are wondering, I saw his explaination on the donohue show - way back in the day.

Bitch, hoe, kike, whop, spic, spearchucker, honky, fudge packer... see, ya jus' can't trust a nigga to not make everything racial.
All I wanted was to get people's views on the anti-Israel and anti-Semetism debate.---maverick

I don't know when this 'baiting' started. It's been around since a I can remember. Certainly, it is almost coincidnet with the creation of the State of Israel.

Whose war it is, I don't know.

I do know that the war is about oil.

I do know that Israel is the gatekeeper of the United States' interest in the security of the oil fields of the Middle East.

I do know the Iraqi War is not/was not about terriorism.

Do the Venn Diagram.

Some A is B.

Some B is C.

Is it therefore true that some C is A.

The ADL is just getting its agenda on the table in the discussion about leadership in the NAACP.

The ADL has always exerted an influence on the leadership of the NAACP. This is notice that they still expect to be able to influence the construction of the organization.

I say, "Go to hell.'

Mr. Simmons should simply not respond.


PEACE

Jim Chester
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Originally posted by AudioGuy:
He meant that hitler was great in the sense that he was consequential... He affected history in a great manner, not that he was a great guy. In case any of you are wondering, I saw his explaination on the donohue show - way back in the day.



Wow, I saw that same show! I thought I was the only one who remembered. Mid-80s, I think. That was the show on which I heard the tape of his speech with the "dirty religion" comment. Thanks for the clarity on the Hitler comment. Again, the exact usage was provocative, meant to make you stand up and say, "Wha?!" -- so you'd listen carefully as he went on to explain.
First of all ... lol @ Vox and AG!! Y'all are really funny! Big Grin

Now then Maverick ...

I would have to say echo AudioGuy's sentiments of who really cares what the ADL has to say?? If their only objection to Simmons is based on something Farrakhan said 20 years ago, their attempt at credibility leaves something to be desired for me.

Secondly, I'm not a card-carrying member of the NOI nor a pom-pom waiving Farrakhan cheerleader ... but I personally believe that although he may have some things the wrong way, he hasn't said anything wrong. The man has always spoken the truth. Which, unfortunately, can be a little brutal sometimes. But, it's never a wrong/bad thing.

The ADL is much more opportunistic than the good Minister. And why would you take the word of Jewish sites over the word of Black newspapers that they would have a better understanding of the meaning of something someone Black has said?? In other words, can you really believe that Jewish people know us better than we know ourselves?

I denounce Russell Simmons myself from time to time ... but I have better reasons than the fact that he won't talk bad about Farrakhan. If the ADL wants to denounce something/someone ... they can start with the music videos that Simmons supports. They are far more damaging that Farrakhan. Eek

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