Tagged With "White Saviour Complex"

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Re: How to Date A Single Dad

Sandye ·
The article makes several good points, however, I think it sugarcoats the "baby mama/daddy drama" that affects many of these types of relationships. When a couple have a child, there is an eternal connection. Even though they no longer wish to have a relationship with the other parent, they play vicious games and can cause great pain perhaps because they are still going through the pain of their separation/divorce. Some biological parents won't speak to the step-parent for any reason and are...
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Re: How to Date A Single Dad

FireFly ·
I like children, but, for the reasons above - and many others - I avoid ever dating any man with children under 21, and preferably with none at all. So far, I've been lucky. [insert relieved face icon here] I never say never, but it's as close to never as it's possible to get.
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Re: Prove Christ exists, judge orders priest

Fagunwa ·
tupac will be remembered for what he was a short guy with a complex who knew better than the behavior he displayed. Rah is the sacred portal and an truly beautiful sister.
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Re: Prove Christ exists, judge orders priest

HonestBrother ·
Was 2Pac self-destructive? Yes. Was he a role-model to follow? No. But he was a brilliant young man who was angry and confused just like a lot of us are. People forget Pac died when he was 25 - I think people try to forget. How many people have their sh*t together when they're 25? I was confused and self-destructive at 25. And, with all respect, I believe that the refusal to place 2Pac in that context, plays into the tendency that denies human complexity to black folk. But it's neither here...
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Re: Prove Christ exists, judge orders priest

Fagunwa ·
Did I introduce 2pac into this topic or did you? How does what you wrote differ from what I wrote besides the justification for poor behavior? How did I deny human complexity to 2pac or by inference any other african? In fact the word complex is in my post. I thought Vox was making a joke so I injected a little humor in a post, did I enter your house unawares? I have been 25 years old but I was not "confused or self-destructive" I was in grad school (wait maybe I was confused) . Sorry I...
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Re: Prove Christ exists, judge orders priest

HonestBrother ·
OK. I hijacked the tread. I'm guilty!
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

Nmaginate ·
TEXAS, take your queque from BLACK VIKING... First, you have to know what the hell UNITY is before you can talk about the lack of it. UNITY is not UNISON. Don't get it twisted. Know what the hell you're talking about and what it entails. That's your "chat" for today. UNITY = a totality of related parts : an entity that is a complex or systematic whole Echoing Black Viking and HB, UNITY ain't simple. By definition, it's COMPLEXED. And, apparently, this is an issue of you not understanding or...
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Re: Now this is what I have been troubled with for a while..

umbrarchist ·
I think this is about haveing an inferiority complex and having to compensate for it. It leads to many mistakes. I had a woman talk to me about buying a $1000 suit. I sat there thinking "is she nuts." so a couple of weeks later I decided to do an experiment. I checked the newspaper for estate auctions with oriental rugs. And I called her and asked if she would go to an auction with me. She said no. I would be willing to spend a grand on an oriental rug, Chinese no Persian. Rugs don't change...
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Re: Appreciating Black Beauty

bigddouble ·
To infer these discussions have been driven primarily by the color complex is questionable (you didn't ask us why we thought various women were attractive). However, if you are sincere in your concern, please attach a link to Eye Candy for Sandye as well.
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Re: What is a Sellout?

HonestBrother ·
HOWEVER, there is one sense of the term which I believe is meaningful: The sellout is a racial appeaser. I.e., the sellout is a person who for whatever reason makes it their business to appease/please whites whatever the costs to the group or even to themselves. The reason could be perceived self-interest (profit for example) or it could be due to a racial inferiority complex. Again, it's hard to make this definition stick because you can't get inside someone's head to see what motivates...
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Re: What is a Sellout?

Nmaginate ·
Don't believe that's such a problematic thing. The problem comes in when the range of possibilities, the range of "acceptables" are so broad... no one statement can capture the essence. Now, too often that may be the problem: Trying to give a simple, hard answer to a question that is at least as fluid as it is complex (complex in the sense that it's broad and one almost has to speak in broad generalities in an attempt to arrive at definition). And honest observations would reveal that...
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Re: Pope: Embryo = "Full and complete human being"

MidLifeMan ·
My opinion on this topic and the related issue of abortion is similar to how Thurgood Marshall looked at capital punishment. If we can not say that we will always be certain that ONLY the guilty are put to death, capital punishment has to great of a legal and moral risk – the death of the innocent. I've read from the "scientific" community various opinions on when a fetus is actual "alive" or a "complete human being". And I found that they are NOT in agreement. With that in mind, it is too...
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Re: Claude Steele Discusses How Group Stereotypes Can Influence Intellectual Performance

Rowe ·
I've only given a brief description of Dr. Steele's research. His research is much more complex than what's been discussed here. However, keep in mind that Dr. Steeele is a social psychologist. His work has been heavily influenced by scholars such as Kenneth Clarke, Jonathan Kozol, Amin Maalouf, and Daryl Scott, author of Contempt and Pity (1997). He has also co-written a book with Dr. Asa Hillard entitled Young, Gifted, and Black: Promoting High Achievement Among African American Students...
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Re: What about dating single mums?

ZAKAR ·
Ideally thats they way its suppose to work, a good man with a good woman, but often thats not the case in a world so complex and consumed by money and material things.I was looking at the Funeral Service of Coretta Scott King yesterday and there was an example of a great woman, which is beside every great man. I look at women like my mother my grandmother, the strong black women in my family who stood in Solidarity with their men. I guess being surrounded by strong black women who knew how...
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Re: What about dating single mums?

Khalliqa ·
A good man tends to attract a good woman.... People tend to look for in a mate what is comparable to their tolerances, principles and values... this is not a hard fast rule... it just gives one a view of the quality of the pool from which one seeks a mate.... May I ask for you to define, more specifically, what is a good woman to you? Peace, Virtue
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Re: Props to our brother and Reverend Joseph Lowery...

ZAKAR ·
I submit to you Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, are no good for black people, Clinton under his administration locked up more african americans then any of the previous presidents.He has great carisma he has a little southern style but the substance was definitely lacking. A lot of the dot com money that was gained under clinton was started before he took office. Im neither demorcrat or republican.One takes us for granted the other just takes us. Black people kill me, how they bow down to...
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Re: Props to our brother and Reverend Joseph Lowery...

MidLifeMan ·
Sharpton Slams Blacks for Blindly Supporting Clinton, Democrats By Marc Morano CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer July 29, 2005 Washington (CNSNews.com) - Former Democratic presidential candidate Al Sharpton blasted blacks Thursday for what he described as their blind support of the Democratic Party without demanding anything in return. Sharpton, during his remarks at the National Urban League's annual conference in Washington, noted that his fellow Democrats, including former President Bill...
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Re: Untitled--Just Disappointed and Upset

Empty Purnata ·
Thanks! I'm not so much concerned for myself, I'm concerned for my two younger siblings who are still in grade school. This religious mania is puting a strain on my parents' marriage (I've even heard them treaten to divorce, and they've had 4-hour long arguments several times) and they do it RIGHT SMACK DAB IN FRONT OF MY YOUNGER SIBLINGS. My little sister who used to get upset about it, now just sits there unphased even when my mom gets in my dad's face. AS A 19-YEAR OLD ADULT, TO SEE A...
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Re: Radio Raheem's Personal tribute to Interracial couples

Khalliqa ·
Qty. I'm from the South....---way worse down here than in the North---my experience-- in the North there was a "cultural revolution" that allowed Black people to mentally accept in one another things that many in the South took a while to accept--- I know.... I've experienced both..... I know exactly what you mean.....) People won't talk about it because those that don't experience this tend to be blind to the very real pain that this causes for others.... they tend to look at themselves and...
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Re: Radio Raheem's Personal tribute to Interracial couples

bigddouble ·
I hear you virtue (and I've always heard qty226 too) - color complex is quite the issue. Teenage socialization is always a landmine-filled terrain. In one way or another, we all have issues to sort out. For me, I was always considered "too brainy". For someone that doesn't know your issues, the defense response seems like an unjustified lash out. Know that with time & personal effort, things get better. Not because others change, but because you become comfortable with who you are. When...
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Re: Radio Raheem's Personal tribute to Interracial couples

ZAKAR ·
ALL THIS GOES BACK TO KNOWLEDGE OF SELF, IF WE REALIZE WE ARE AFRICAN PEOPLE AND APART OF THE GLOBAL AFRICAN COMMUNITY WE CAN SEE THAT WE COME IN ALL SHADES AND TEXTURES. SEEMS TO ME SOME BLACK PEOPLE ACT LIKE THEY ARE ALL PRO BLACK AND REVOLUTIONARY, BUT DEEP DOWN HARBOR RESENTMENT FOR BLACK PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY DARKSKINNED BLACK PEOPLE WITH STRONG FEATURES. IT GOES BACK TO "WILLY LYNCH". MANY LIGHTSKINNED BROTHERS AND SISTAS SUFFER TOO,BECAUSE OF THEIR LIGHTSKINNED FEATURES PEOPLE WOULD...
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Re: Discribe posters as a Drink

Frenchy ·
Why is that? My List: MBM - Martini, very dry with a twist . So much like James Bond, disappearing from the board for awhile and then returning with something sleek to say. And I don't even think I've seen you lose your cool. Such a mystery. Sandye - Cosmopolitan . Always mellow and sophisticated. Audio Guy - Pina Colada . Tropical, sweet, and somehow both damn fresh and traditional. kresge - Diesel (1/2 pint Lager, 1/2 pint Cider). Doesn't fit neatly into any particular category, but...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

detroit1 ·
Virtue Your ability to see clearly and intuitively into the nature of this complex issue is undeniable.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists: What's With the Ports?

EbonyRose ·
Since Bush is so simple (minded), I'm going to venture that it's nothing complex. I'm going to go with good ol' blackmail. Something that would get him kicked out of office ... the ultimate shame! Either that or he scratched his butt one day and a thought popped into his head ... and presto! ... there you go!
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Re: The Left Hand of God

Melesi ·
The biggest problem with this thesis is that it accepts using religion for political purposes. In doing so it counterfiets religion and thus defeats the very purpose it sets out to achieve. Rabbi Lerner rightly castigates the religious right for being more right than religious. He doesn't actually mean to do that, of course, for his concern is not the religion of the right. As with so many people who are themselves primarily political, he sees life in political terms. For him in this book,...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

HonestBrother ·
It disturbs me that on every side I see * systems of control * on the rise: systems meant to keep us under control: whether that be the prison industrial complex, the military industrial complex, or these loopy religious movements: it's the same thing... And what's much worse is that we're willingly running into the arms of those same systems... Even if one resists - as I do - to make matters worse, our own women are demanding we submit to this control in some form or other... As descendants...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

Kai ·
We should all wish for systems of control. It is not control which is the problem, it is control which runs contrary to the natural desires of those striving to be civilized, which creats the problem. Humanity has always created law, and enforcement agencies to ensure security. Are you not under the control of America? Are you not happy to know that someone in this nations seeks to control the crime rate? You want control... Also are you suggesting that the NOI is part of the group of "Loopy...
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Re: The Left Hand of God

HonestBrother ·
Well didn't the Jews kill Jesus - or at least advocate for his death? Jesus was a Jew you know? And no I'm not substituting one saviour for another. Perhaps what I'm actually doing is questioning the entire notion - or supposed function - of a "saviour"
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

HonestBrother ·
But service, unity, and protection at any cost isn't worth a farthing. Fascists promote service, unity, and protection among themselves... Yes I do acknowledge the good. In fact, I've worked with members of NOI... my critique is more complex than you acknowledge and I'm tiring of your silly verbal games...
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Re: Does good love making require skill?

Black Viking ·
I know you weren't speaking to me, but I have to comment anyway. I have to disagree with you here. Those explosive forms of intimacy that you are refering to are the result of both practice and planning, and sincerity and appreciation. Women are complex creatures with many buttons. If you push them all, you get explosion. If you only push a few, then not so much...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

HonestBrother ·
So that no one else (save the illiterate) will be tempted to again take my statements OUT OF CONTEXT, I'll repost it: I was very specific in my original post about which "systems of control" I was referring to (prisons, the military, and conservative religion) and that statement did NOT constitute an argument for unconditional individual freedom... Anyone who has a problem with this IS part of the problem IMHO... Before you come in "correcting" people, YOU SHOULD FIRST LEARN TO READ. There...
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Re: Does good love making require skill?

MidLifeMan ·
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Re: Does good love making require skill?

folobatuyi ·
and that's where experience and skill plus commincation comes along to make the essential difference.
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Re: What is Egungun

Empty Purnata ·
Johnny, if you're subconsciously intimidated by White people, just say so. You're projecting your own fears and Inferiority Complex onto the entire Black race. In no way, shape or form is the White Man a "God" to me. He is no less mortal than I. If I punch a White person, he'll bleed just like me. If I throttle his neck, he'll die. It has nothing to do with him being a "God" and me being some kind of Super-God called "Shango". Perhaps you should see a psychiatrist (A BLACK ONE) and have them...
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Re: What is Egungun

HonestBrother ·
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Re: I'm In Love With A Stripper?

Rowe ·
I agree! But the question is, do you think music complexity and/or diversity is being fairly represented in Black music today, because there is nothing remotely complex about the lyrical composition of "I'm In Love With The Stripper." And as far as shame is concerned, anyone who sings these lyrics should be ashamed (or at least mindful that his song may be offensive to some, if not many, people). The fact that T-Pain clearly doesn't give a shit and the producers and radio stations don't give...
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Re: I'm In Love With A Stripper?

HonestBrother ·
No... Not on commercial radio....Or on TV... or in the movies for the most part.... I think it's generally lacking in contemporary black oriented arts/entertainment... Don't ask me what I think of Tyler Perry... I never said there was... Great we're in agreement! Thanks for the recommendation... I'll check it out! PS: I really did go out and get the CD
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Re: How Do Men Fall in Love?

HonestBrother ·
Wow, Heru. We have something in common. I can identify with this. I call it the "damsel-in-distress" complex. I've tried to resist it though ever since I noticed I tend to do this.
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Re: How Do Men Fall in Love?

HeruStar ·
Why resist? It's natural...
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Re: Oral Tradition vs. Written

HonestBrother ·
I think they're both interesting...but regarding the supposed honesty of oral traditions, the story may be more complex... I once saw this documentary about an oral society. It was a long time ago and I don't remember many of the details but one thing that struck me was that there were "official" oral histories and historians in the culture and if someone - a ruler say - fell into disfavor, this person would simply be purged from the official account and hence from collective memory. I was...
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Re: Oral Tradition vs. Written

Vox ·
I agree about what a great topic this is! I think written traditions work best in a more complex, advanced society, because there's so much knowledge, so much information, and so many available points of view, that an oral tradition would just get swallowed up and ignored by most people. Orally transmitted articles of faith would never survive in a world of science. So if faith is important, religious traditions have to be written in order to serve their purpose. Oral traditions are more...
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Re: Oral Tradition vs. Written

HeruStar ·
Written is very important. But can it be justified as an all encompassing replacement for oral traditions? Advancement? I think we would be much more ADVANCED with oral traditions. Many things were committed to memory which advanced and created a strong foundation of common knowledge . Your reference was your brotha or sistah. You and I are both saddened by the things that our brothas and sistas don't know, but we know WE SHOULD know. There is so much that SHOULD be common knowledge. Oral...
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Re: What are you listening to right now?

HonestBrother ·
How many of ya'll are familiar with The Last Poets ? I'm just curious... This is Madness contains "White Man's Got A God Complex"... they're often credited with being the first rappers...
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Re: AA Women Writers query ?

caribbeanflavored ·
there's 3 books i would recommend 1) Don't play in the sun: One woman's jouney through the color complex by Marita Golden 2)The angry black woman's guide to life by Denene Milner 3)and the Conpiracy to destroy Black women by Michael Porter (i heard it was very political) i don't know if you know a black women's magazine called "essence". don't know if they sell it in australia but anyway it's a really good soure to find out about modern bw and thier our culture, and interests. any book from
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Re: Food for thought

umbrarchist ·
I think the issue of Status Anxiety is closely related to this thread: The Issue of Social Class in African America I read Packard's Hidden Persuaders and a couple of his other books back in the 60s. So the concepts in Status Anxiety weren't new to me. I don't recall ever seeing a video mentioning Thorstein Veblen before though. I have the book Age of Uncretainty by John Kenneth Galbraith that devotes about 5 pages to him. The Power Elite by Mills also deals with this. Anyway, the bottom...
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Re: Food for thought

tmonster ·
Have you seen BBC's Decade of capitalism in it it describes how Freud's nephew used his psychotherapy to manufacture consent inthe market and politics. I will drop it next week.
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Re: The Irony of Incarceration

tmonster ·
The dichotomy is not really a dichotomy but a coalescence of two problems brought to you my the mind control machine of the State. Young black men and all men need Rites of passage in order to enter adult society. Because of the breakdown of the black family, and American black society/fellowship, young black men are left to the whims of the media, who whole heartedly pushes Jail (along with getting shot, See Fifty cents, committing violence and law breaking)as a replacement for the passage...
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Re: Which Mythological Goddess Are You?

Sweetwuzzy ·
Aphrodite Indeed, you are 62% erudite, 70% sensual, 50% martial, and 41% saturnine. Born from the foam of the sea, Aphrodite became the Greek Goddess of Love and Beauty. This is a polite way of saying she was the Goddess of Sex. In the case of Aphrodite, perhaps it would be more accurate to say she was the Goddess of sex, sex, and more sex. Obviously all this sex couldn't possibly be good 100% of the time, and it wasn't. Aphrodite was as well known for the pain she brought as she was for the...
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Re: Why do men hurt us?????

Khalliqa ·
Rowe.... no, sister.... My apologies.... sincerely..... I have much to get through emotionally..... and I have to reign it in when I end up channeling my pain to someone unintended..... Yes.... That's a good point..... but.... we do not date... in the Nation.... we court..... meaning.... brothers don't ask for sisters unless they wish to marry them.... usually by the time a brother asks for you..... you have pretty much established a working relationship together ...... so "dating"...
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Re: Agenda

MBM ·
Respectfully, I'm not sure I can see a difference between Repbulicans and Democrats on this issue. Clearly, Republicans look to government to line their pockets in all sorts of activist ways - from Enron, to oil/energy policy, to trade protectionism and tarrifs, to Halliburton et al, to the military inustrial complex etc. Conservatives seem to like to talk about self-reliance until they find a way that they can receive a hand out.
 
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