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Re: Conservative Idiots

Michael ·
.....be it Democrat, Republican, Independent, Green Party, or otherwise..... .....the Black community is being looked upon as being insignificant, perverted, criminal, sleazy, wreckless, backwards, un-American, treasonous, self destructive, poverty stricken, social welfare dependent, bigotted, lazy, hateful, uncaring, selfish, useless, begging, continuously playing the race card, etc., ...... ......an outlook that has more to do with a ethnic group's financial status, holdings, consumer...
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Re: Conservative Idiots

Michael ·
"I wonder how many Black people really give a schit about how they are LOOKED at ..." by Kevin41 "I wonder why there is sooo much laughter when the guy speaks.....I guess it is hard to take a tom serious .... when you know their first and foremost motive is to defend the stats quo and their white masters ....I thought the term conservative idiot applied here........." by Kevin41 ************************** ".....be it Democrat, Republican, Independent, Green Party, or otherwise..... ..... the...
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Re: Battling Campus Racism-Leaders Demand Action

Empty Purnata ·
Yes, that's why I was talking about Progressivism . Progressivism is not Democrat, Republican or Independent, or Liberal or Conservative. It's about progress (the root word). I was saying that campuses should promote social progressivism because progressivism support social justice and anti-racism. Personally, I don't believe in the liberal/conservative and Democratic/Republican dichotomy. I believe they are both corporate juggernauts that do whatever benefits their own wallets the most,...
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Re: Now Speaking of an Endless Loop Cycle of Poverty, Heavy Dependence on Social Welfare

Michael ·
"Former Aide's Guilty Plea Implicates Congressman Brett M. Pfeffer details conspiracy and bribery claims against Democrat William J. Jefferson. By Ralph Vartabedian Times Staff Writer January 12, 2006 Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-La.) sought bribes, jobs for his children and other favors for providing political support to a company setting up Internet service in Nigeria, according to a former aide's guilty plea, entered Wednesday in federal court in Alexandria, Va. In an alleged conspiracy,...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Michael ·
...the legacy of AA, Social Welfare, our disgraceful elected representatives, and/or that no good Black middleclass who praise them. .....and pat yourself on the back if you've distanced yourself from that inept, sleazy, worthless no good Black middleclass..... ********************************** "Former Aide's Guilty Plea Implicates Congressman Brett M. Pfeffer details conspiracy and bribery claims against Democrat William J. Jefferson. By Ralph Vartabedian Times Staff Writer January 12,...
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Re: Now Speaking of an Endless Loop Cycle of Poverty, Heavy Dependence on Social Welfare

Michael ·
I've lived in predominate Black communities, such as Oakland, Detroit, Baltimore, Compton, Watts, and South Central Los Angeles (when it was predominately Black), the working class community of Inglewood, West of La Brea when it was predominately Caucasian, stayed with a Canadian Caucasian farm family during my youth while with other family members, an integrated community such as West Adams where I continue to live until this day...... .......to which in every instance the predominately...
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

HonestBrother ·
So please explain where these reparations are going to come rom. This is something you're for? Am I correct? If you're for it, it will only come from the system as it presently exists (Democrat or Republican). Either that or you radically change the system. Which you don't seem to favor. But you disparage Democrats. That leaves the Republicans. But that means you're really * not * serious.
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

Guest ·
As I told my frat brother who encouraged me to join "N'Cobra" - I would consider joining BUT since he told me that they have a dual approach - REPARATION FROM AMERICA FOR SLAVERY and THE PROCESS FOR INTERNAL REPAIR WITHIN BLACK AMERICA. I told him that I would BE MORE FOCUSED ON THE INTERNAL REPAIR PROCESS. I would never do anything to stand in the way of the receipt of resources from America in the name of "Reparations" but this seems to me to be very much so less important toward acheiving...
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

HonestBrother ·
My purpose was * NOT * to establish a dichotomy that encapsulated all the options in front of African Americans. As I agree that there are many other more urgent matters. I was * Only * addressing the single issue of reparations. And thank you for answering my question: In regards to the issue of reparations, you're really NOT serious. Forgetting already? : Reading for COMPREHENSION is fundamental.
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Re: State of the Union: NPR WANTS YOUR VIEW

kresge ·
What the ....? According to the link you provided, we are supposed to come up with a state of the union address without using the following words:
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Re: State of the Union: NPR WANTS YOUR VIEW

Kweli4Real ·
You know, I didn't go to the link. But what we have here, I think, is a tongue in cheek, kinda thing. The prohibited words make up the essence of everything Bush. And the Democratic response to the State of the Union Address should be the prohibited list with conjections and connectors inserted, where appropriate.
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Re: Larry Elder: blacks and republicans

MBM ·
Mr. Barber - I appreciate your perspective, but doesn't support have to be earned? In the same way that the Democrat Party earned African American support in the past (we were once ALL Republican you know), what has the current incarnation of the Republican Party done to attract and earn African American votes? In what way is the conservative agenda in my best interests? Conservatism has been against African America's quest for rights and full citizenship at every turn. How is it now a place...
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Re: What Party puts us in power?? Democrat or Republican

Kweli4Real ·
No, Omega, I think the original of the quote I paraphrased was said a little before Bob's time. Oh, I get it ... You were joshin'. Right? Their [our] qualifications have never been in question. But again: What profit a man or his people should he gain the world [i.e., power/position/authority] and lose his soul [i.e., be put in charge of promoting policies that work against his interests, and those of his community]? No doubt Black folks' interests are far from monolithic, so your individual...
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Re: For Black Conservatives

HonestBrother ·
One indication of the "laziness" I alluded to is the tendency - seen in Constructive Feedback for example - to EVEN copy white conservative rhetoric. That's unintelligent rebellion: "I don't want to be a Democrat. So I guess I'll be a Republican." I can see maybe coming up with policy stances that coincide with a white conservative point of view. But for God's sake, * make it your own! * Is it really necessary to worship Ronald Reagan and watch Fox News too? If they're too lazy to form their...
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Re: Conservatism and African America

MBM ·
OK - since you asked! Conservatives and Liberals
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Re: HOW TO GET CONDI TO POWER

Black Viking ·
I hear you, and you're probably right. Even the people on the far right who didn't vote for her during the primary election would vote for her in the general, rather than vote for a Democrat. Unless they chose to stay home on election day in protest.
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

James Wesley Chester ·
Are they mutually exclusive?---Nmaginate I'll start here. Pursuing a covenant with ourselves is mutally exclusive to petitioning any political party, especially the Democrat and Republican Parties. To seek the support of such political bodies is to repeat, to ask for, the failures and deceit of history. As to our role: I choose the 'firemen' approach. I don't like the 'burn' approach for several reasons. First becuause that approach leaves you with a ship. And we don't have the resources to...
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

kresge ·
You did not miss it, because it was not raised. This was the substance of the question on my index card that I handed in. Democrat and Republican do not constitute the political spectrum. There was no question about the viability of third parties, even on the local or state level. I think that is a serious oversight. I am not even saying that it has to be a so-called African American party, but there I think it behooves black folk to "think outside of the box" in this respect. This was also...
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Re: One Man Battling the Democratic Party

1milehi ·
thanks james. i don't know how much support he'll find because it seems a number of people really just don't want to deal with the issue. nor does it seem they even want to consider that they are not limited to only 2 options - democrat or republican. what ever happened to all that talk of building a strong, 3rd political force? i'm baffled at how some can be satisfied to limiting themselves to a choice between the devil or satan - where's the choice for god in all of this?
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Re: One Man Battling the Democratic Party

1milehi ·
http://adeebafolami.com/archives/2006/perryman2.html
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Re: One Man Battling the Democratic Party

Nmaginate ·
I did link to an essay of Perryman's [ A Democrat by design, or a Democrat by deception ] that said this: Today many white Democrats are opposed to paying African Americans trillions of dollars in Reparation Pay, money that should be paid by the Democratic Party...
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Re: One Man Battling the Democratic Party

James Wesley Chester ·
Today many white Democrats are opposed to paying African Americans trillions of dollars in Reparation Pay, money that should be paid by the Democratic Party...---Perryman I hope the rationale for reparations does not get directed to the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party was key to the institutionalization of chattel slavery. There is no doubt. The Democrat Party has 'ability to pay' in a manner that can benefit us as a people, AND has no legally binding, contractual, relationship that can...
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Re: Bush Authorized Leaks

keylargo ·
Vermont Democrats call for Bush impeachment 53 minutes ago Democratic Party leaders in Vermont on Saturday passed a motion asking Congress to immediately begin impeachment proceedings against President Bush. In an elementary school cafeteria strewn with American flags and copies of the U.S. Constitution, some 100 state party officials agreed to make the request to the U.S. House of Representatives. "You know in your own hearts and minds that something is terribly wrong in this country," said...
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Re: Will Politics Play A Greater or Lesser Role In Our Future?

MBM ·
That's a great idea , but it explicitly presumes that we are playing within the two party system. We would be swinging elections to either of the other parties. A truly independent third party would be running third party candidates and not just aggregating votes to pick either Democrat or Republican.
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Re: Will Politics Play A Greater or Lesser Role In Our Future?

umbrarchist ·
There is no reason not to do both. In local elections where there is a reasonable chance of success we could run candidates. In situations where there is practically no chance we could play the swing vote game. Power games are about strategies and tactics. There is no reason to limit your tactics. "Know your enemy, know yourself and in 100 battles you will not be defeated." - Sun Tzu The obvious corollary to this is: The less your enemy knows about you the better. Is that why Europeans...
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Re: Black Like GOP

alonzo ·
Telltruth-----After reading this and your other post you probably need to change your name. "Telltruth" is not working for you anymore. You may not be a member of either party but your opinions are surely slanted to the right. Also brother, if you're not politically active then your opinions don't count and they don't matter. This will surely be the last post of yours I respond to. Next, you're arguing points you don't need to argue among black people. I'm a democrat and I have no love for...
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Re: Black Like GOP

Kweli4Real ·
I understand your frustration with the lesser of two evil argument. I really do. However, although I recognize that neither party has any love for Black folk, one party consistently promotes policies that advocate social and economic justice [or, at least used to before this administration neutered them]; whereas, the other promotes social and economic exploitation. That is why some of us unashamedly vote overwhelming Democrat. "A snowball is better than no ball."
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Re: Black Like GOP

Black Viking ·
As I've always said, I'm not Pro-Democrat... I'm Anti-Republican. When/if they change their policies of oppression, then I might reconsider them. Not before!
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Re: Black Like GOP

urbansun ·
Liberalism is paternalistic and racist, and conservatism is stagnant and impractical, pick your poison. Liberal paternalism as represented by the Democratic party: 1) Seeks to erode our African Moral fiber by forcing us to party with individuals who represent moral positions abhorrent to us as Africans. It makes us passively accept post-modernism & relativism, and tells us to be effective we have to be aligned with other 'agenda's' that in many cases are polar opposites of our...
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Re: Black Like GOP

Yemaya ·
Again like Janet Jackson says, "What have you done for me lately?" You can bring up all of these facts, but what about things that are being done now? Are they still funding these groups and schools you mentioned? I can tell you the picture isn't so rosy on this side, and I'm 34. Maybe its not so much the Republican/Democrat thing, but a white man obession with wealth and power?
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Re: Black Like GOP

Yemaya ·
I'd also like to add, anything that black people have gained is not because of a Republican or Democrat, but because of their own hardwork, perserverance and faith in a God. The only reason that the Civil Rights Act got passed in the first place, was because black people were seeing no end to the situation we were in and they were getting ready to take Washington D.C. down by marching on it and laying in the streets. How ungrateful it sounds when we give the credit for the achievements of...
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Re: Black Like GOP

keylargo ·
I know right? it sounds like the Republican machine speaking. In this day and age, I will choose a Democrat over a Republican. We have to look beyond color to understand how policies introduced by the Republicans hurt people of color. They really hurt all poor, working class Americans. From the cutting taxes for the wealthy and forcing the working class to carry the burden to the lack of support to public schools... the list goes on and on. look at all of the policies proposed by Republicans...
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Re: Black Like GOP

Empty Purnata ·
While all this is true, this has little relevance today. The Republican Party of Lincoln is not the modern day GOP, today's GOP is the Party of Reagan. The Radical Republicans ( TAKE NOTE OF THE WORD "RADICAL" ) of Lincoln's day were a left-leaning party that supported democratic federalism, more workers' rights, more anti-trust laws, more government crackdown on corruption, government protection of workers, anti-slavery and anti-confederatism. The Party of Lincoln was basically a...
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Re: Black Like GOP

Kweli4Real ·
As I [and Keylargo] stated before, I vote democrat, not because I believe that they have any love for, or even any respect for, the Black community; but rather, because the democrats promote policies that appeal to my sense of social and economic justice, more so than republican policies. No one has said or even implied that the democratic party is the be all and end all for Black people. So stop with the "strawman" arguments. However: edited to add "at this time."
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Re: Black Like GOP

Empty Purnata ·
I dunno, bro. I wouldn't vote for either party. The Democrats and the Republicans are essentially not too different. The Republicans are Neoconservatives and the Democrats are Neoliberals. Both of them support Neoliberal free-market Globalism. The Republicans favor a type of international "military Keynesianism" where as Democrats favor more low-key influence through globalism. 75-80% of Democrats in office voted for the War in Iraq as well. And let's not forget that under Bill Clinton, the...
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Re: Howard Dean: Open Mouth, Insert Foot

ItAintEazy ·
Yeah, Dean is good at Bush-bashing, but people tend to forget that he was a tax-cutting "moderate" Democrat in Vermont.
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Re: Howard Dean: Open Mouth, Insert Foot

keylargo ·
yes he cut taxes for corporations but he also made sure people had healthcare in his state.
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Re: Black Like GOP

telltruth ·
I take it from your post that because you and most people on this thread are Democrats I can't present facts that happened in history. And just because it goes against what you have been told you assume I'm a Republican Party Member and you have doubts about my race....for your info I'm a Black man, American, and christian and I am a member of the Constitution Party, (www.constitutionparty.com) but I vote independently. I already told you that what I posted was not my opinion. Just bonifided...
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Re: Black Like GOP

keylargo ·
I have a question for you Telltruth. Do you think political parties tend to remain the same for the most part over decades and never change their party agenda? or do you believe that political parties tend to evolve over time?
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Re: Black Like GOP

alonzo ·
Zakar, very good question. The answer is in our hands. We first have to get mobilized and get out and vote in massive numbers. Once we make our voices heard by helping to elect a democrat then we hold his or her feet to the fire and forced them to do what's in the best interest of our people. We'll never get everything we want but we can get a lot. "The People" really do have the power but you have to be willing to make people uphold what they say. Notice how nervous our elected officials...
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Re: Black Like GOP

Black Viking ·
Very true. Democrats often get blamed for programs that Republicans put in place. Government moves slowly. Often times, the results of Republican policies don't manifest fully until power has changed hands. It often takes a Democrat to come in and try to clean up the mess after the Republicans have spent far too much time screwing it up. I actually feel sorry for the Democrat who has to clean up Bush's misdirected "War on Terror".
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Re: Black Folks: It is Time to Lay Down the Mantle

kresge ·
The logic espoused here instantly took me back the the famous poem attributed to Martin Niemöller in World War II. When they came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist. When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat. When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist. When they came for the Jews, I did not speak out; I was not a Jew. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.
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Re: Black Like GOP

keylargo ·
just because I'm a registered Democrat does not mean I will not consider someone other than a Democrat. I really base my decisions on issues and where a particular candidate stands.
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Re: Black Like GOP

telltruth ·
Sorry, for the misunderstanding. I didn't give any facts you say?! How about the following verifiable "Facts": 1.The oldest political party in the USA is the Democratic Party 1792. 2.The Republican Party was founded in Michigan in 1854 by abolitionists. 3.They have an elected former Klu Klan Klansman as a Democrat Senator from W.Virginia....was a member of the Klan until he was 40 years old. 4.Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters, The Black Congressional Caucus, Tom Joyner and his...
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Re: Black Like GOP

Black Viking ·
I'm starting to understand your version of "verifiable facts". The Democratic party doesn't elect anyone, the public elects. You're spinning rhetoric. How do you verify the embolden parts? Again, this is useless spin. Again, the Democratic party doesn't elect anyone. The public does. And really, who cares that Clinton was a draft dodger? Can you really compare that, or anything else Clinton did wrong, to the lies and deceite coming out of the White House today? Get some perspective man. Now,...
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Re: Black Like GOP

telltruth ·
You can call it tripe if want to....but, what I gave you is documented historical facts-And like I said it doesn't matter to me whether you believe it or not....you can get the facts right on your computer-just google it! Here is something else written by another Black man: TRUTH ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY From Toogood Reports The Long, Sad, Violent History of Democrats' Racial Hatred for Blacks BY: Perry Drake May 2003 It has always seemed unnatural and unwise to me whenever I hear someone...
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Re: Black Like GOP

telltruth ·
Yeah, but, it was Democrats who elected him to the Office of the Senate....and that is people. The so-called Rev. Jesse Jackson and company never said a word about this former Klansman....but they did against Senator Trent Lot. Clinton is a Democrat and he was elected by Democrats which are the people. !932-1933 the Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt put forth the New Deal and under that was the Welfare system....that's when Blacks switched political parties from Republican to...
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Re: Black Like GOP

Black Viking ·
You mean his constituants elected him to the Senate. So, the only thing I gather from that, is that his constituants are morons. I don't care much for Jackson. But, he doesn't make policy, so I don't have to care much about him either. Okay.... so what? Before you even begin to explain how the Black family was destroyed, you have to convince me that it has been destroyed at all. I become very frustrated with people who throw around sentences like "this or that is destroying the Black family"...
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Re: Black Like GOP

telltruth ·
Here is one of your greatest Black leftwing liberals William Raspberry writing in one of the greatest leftwing newspapers the Washington Post on the subject of Black families www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/24/AR2005072401115.html Bill Cosby on the Black Family fatherhood.about.com/b/a/097326.htm I have respect for those kinds of people as long as they don't step on my toes. I see that you feel that those kinds of people have a right to equate their struggle with the...
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Re: Black Folks: It is Time to Lay Down the Mantle

Noah The African ·
I am just not feeling this alliance. I fully understand divide and conquer but I am not for actively fighting and standing with those who voluntarily choose to be exploited. Everything is relative. What we are conditioned to see as exploitation others are conditioned to see as an opportunity. Hence, by fighting against the exploitation of them you are also fighting to deny them the personal choice of pursuing opportunity. Just like many of us make the choice between the two evils of...
 
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