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Re: State of Black America hosted by Tavis on CSPAN now..

Nmaginate ·
And that type of Cornell West complete with his statement that he has to "go with Martin" would make him close to a Manning Marable it would seem. That would be one public intellectual conspiculously absent from Tavis' panels. Especially considering how Marable is no stranger to CSPAN or such symposiums. But, of course, I'll have to defer to you about West's fall... And his protege, Glaude, seemed to obsessed with his own rhetoric. I mean, at least Michael Dyson does it egotistically in a...
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Re: Why Do We Allow Hollywood to Keep Stereotyping Black Women as Oversexed?

Yemaya ·
I hear you Faheem. But you know as well as I do there is a long history of this. I believe as black women this is our river to cross. Not only is this stereotype prevalent in Hollywood and white America, but also within our own community. I defer to how many black women have been molested or victims of sexual assault. I think if you take a poll on this board, you would be absolutely astonished with the results.
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Re: Organizing the discussion

Khalliqa ·
I'll be purchasing the book this week.... I like ddouble's suggestion of discussing the book section by section..... Peace, Virtue
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Re: North Carolina Black Woman Raped by White Lacrosse Team

Rowe ·
Duke Lacrosse Player: 'I'm Absolutely Innocent' Monday, May 15, 2006 DURHAM, N.C. "” A third Duke University lacrosse player indicted for his role in the alleged rape of a 27-year-old exotic dancer said Monday that he is "absolutely innocent" of all charges and that the allegations against him "are lies, fabricated ... and they will be proven wrong." David Evans, a 23-year-old senior, is facing first-degree charges of forcible rape, sexual offense and kidnapping. Accompanied by his lawyers,...
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Re: Brown vs. Bd. of Education: 50 Yrs. Later

Nmaginate ·
Don't Insult Our Intelligence with BS like that!! If Brown was all about "funding" then the force that was the CRM could have come to bear on not only integrated schools as an option but on VIABLE BLACK SCHOOLS as an OPTION as well. It's not that hard. The point being is Negroes had a second-class citizenship mentality and left all the planning beyond "immediate" relief in the hands of the White establishment which dictated how the THEORY of "integration" was to be translated into practice.
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Re: "By Any Means Necessary"

Vox ·
Now Nmaginate, I don't know if he was talking about a strategy of violence, but didn't Malcolm mean that being non-violent in the face of violence was not sensible? I'll defer to you on that, but there are 2 main things I like about what he said, and why what he said makes sense even if he did mean violence as a strategy : 1) It was absolutely imperative that this country saw us as angry, indignant and defiant, about our plight. If you don't express absolute outrage, and a desire to kick...
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Re: Black Conservatives: Uncle Toms or Legitimate Voices?

Kevin41 ·
Kweli, You and MBM are correct......most blacks are SOCIALLY conservative like myself, but damn sure are not politically conservative...which represents the interests of white males and works to extend white privelege. House negroes try to used their dumbed-down thinking and merge the two....but they really are just idiots....no aptitude or self-worth...in other words...dumb azz subjugated lackeys. As so far as states rights-fk no!! The states discriminate their azzes off in terms of...
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Re: Why should Black Folk Vote?

MBM ·
Black folks are obviously completely justified in being dissatisfied/unhappy/angry at our power and position in this nation. Not voting as a result would only seem to create a spiraling loop downward that further marginalizes us in many ways though. Despite the characterizations about our existence here and about 'the system', the more we participate in this system, the more we can impact positive change in our behalf. In fact, the last presidential election should have more than taught us...
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Re: Commitment To Our Liberation

Nmaginate ·
Well, it certainly wasn't like there weren't any warners... I agree with the topic-sentiments and what you've stated here AUDIO. Those sentiments are part and parcel of what I say (or try to) all the time... The fact of that matter is we weren't all that together in the first place. Obviously, because some of us can settle with things as they are as long as we're "comfortable" then we all really didn't want the same things. Some of us just wanted to be comfortable which had little to do with...
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Re: Shooting down, Nmaginate

Nmaginate ·
IRON~ you are too funny for words. All these excuses for why you said something you knew (or now know) is "jacked up" -- both by you saying it as you did and by those of us who have called you on your inaccuracy. Dude, I prefer a real meal, one fresh and direct. I can do without the REGURGITATION. Indentured "Slaves"?? Huh?? Pretty awkward phrasing, IMO... lol And what exactly is "my tune"? And where exactly is the evidence that says Blacks were the "first land owners" [in American...
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Re: Why Are There More "Baby-Mamas" Than Wives?

Rowe ·
I completely disagree with your closing remarks. Children (as well as adults) should never be encouraged to "have all the sex and abortions they want." Not only is this behavior detrimental to your health and reproductive system, it cheapens the spirituality of intimacy and childbirth. Encouraging children to defer sexual gratification until marriage works when children are surrounded by adults who also honor life and the seriousness of intimacy. On the other hand, if you're one who lacks...
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Re: Why Are There More "Baby-Mamas" Than Wives?

Nikcara ·
Rowe, for the record, while I believe in free sex, I also believe in responsible sex. Unfortunately, we do not live this world: ie "Encouraging children to defer sexual gratification until marriage works when children are surrounded by adults who also honor life and the seriousness of intimacy." Our kids are growing up in a world that causes young women, who must have perfect bodies for the most part, to be half naked on videos while the guys in the same video are fully clothed. We live in a...
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Re: Why Are There More "Baby-Mamas" Than Wives?

Huey ·
You know that the pregnant girl in the video is Beyonce's sister.
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Re: Racial Identity Initiatives in Schools Take Away from Basic Education

Kevin41 ·
Black Conservatives side with racists to reduce black opportunity...period....and try to mask it with a bunch of bullschit rhetotic....like yourself...whose solution is for blacks to turn and walk away and never fight for equality WITHIN the system we built....like Noah told you.......why would he leave a system his ancestors built to those who didn't do shit tp profit from it? Those people are f-ked up who promote ebonics and I said why.....fi I caught them siding with racists to reduce...
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Re: Adultery: Should it be harshly punished???

Khalliqa ·
Are you able to make a judgment of adultery outside of its role in secular society? Do you defer to secular rule in your judgment of such things? Why do you think man created it? How does the union of two people, have NOTHING to do with their hearts, minds, bodies and souls.... How are two people FORCED into a legal contract? Why is marriage nothing more than a business transaction to you? Are you viewing marriage from a purely academic theoretical vantage point? What of the people who get...
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Re: Adultery: Should it be harshly punished???

Empty Purnata ·
I don't defer to any rule except logical rule. Logically, adultery is a betrayal of trust and betrayal of a social contract you have entered with another person. Therefore, it's wrong. I didn't say it had nothing to do with it, I said the union of two people, two hearts, two souls, two bodies and two minds has EVERYTHING to do with it. Legalized Ceremonies and governmental contracts are things that have been attached to them over the years. And yes, I do believe that man created the idea of...
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Re: Adultery: Should it be harshly punished???

Khalliqa ·
Okay... Please help me to understand this statement made by you.... "Originally posted by Empty Purnata: It's a man-made tradition that has nothing to do with the bonding of two human hearts, minds, bodies and souls." Okay.... Are people not "free" to commit to one another outside of marriage? This article seems to support your view of marriage.... not whether or not it was created as a business contract.... I was basing this off your quote above.... where you say it has nothing to do with...
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Re: Personality Test

kresge ·
Your Type is INTP Introverted Intuitive Thinking Perceiving Strength of the preferences % 100 88 75 33 Qualitative analysis of your type formula You are: * very expressed introvert * very expressed intuitive personality * distinctively expressed thinking personality * moderately expressed perceiving personality The Portrait of the Architect Rational (iNTp) RATIONAL ARTISAN IDEALIST GUARDIAN Copyrighted © 1996-2005 Prometheus Nemesis Book Company Of the four aspects of strategic analysis and...
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Re: THE CONCEPT OF MALE PRIVILEGE

Rowe ·
I remember watching an interview with Yolanda Adams on television, and when questioned about how her husband feels about her touring and performing all around the country, she responded by saying, "Before I go on any tour, I ask my husband for permission first." After viewing the interview, I got the impression that to Adams being a Christian woman means to seek her husband's approval before she acted on any decision that may affect him and their children. Coming from a household where I...
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Re: As a possible 'sister,' Condi Rice disappoints

Kevin41 ·
more conceptual lip service that speaks from a hopeful premise without anything tangible to show how your way of thinking can attain at least those same goals you blkCONS worked to reduce...your solution is always for black people to defer all of the resources of this country to white people......and let them enjoy the fruits of this country alone......and I guess your reference to black mediocrity is personal based on YOUR own experiences.....because you imply it on behalf of others but you...
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Re: Would You Date/Marry A Woman Who Desires To Be Housewife?

Rowe ·
So, oh, I get it, being a mother to your children and wife, is "nothing?" Its kind of sad that some men look upon stay-at-home mothers as "do-nothings." Perhaps some of you should try being full-time mothers, then you will see just how much "ambition" one needs to be one. In any event, I already understand from where you are coming. In fact, your idea of what a good woman is, is the result of the "Domestic Revolution" discussed in the article, a revolution that is unfortunately forcing many...
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Re: Would You Date/Marry A Woman Who Desires To Be Housewife?

Frenchy ·
We touched on this a bit in the "Are Black Men Still Leaders In The Home?" thread and it seems to be (both on the board and in the world based on an Essense survey) that men are looking to marriage for a life-long teammate. They are not interested in taking on a "Head of Household" position. They want to debate and defer and whathaveyou based on the situation at hand. So, in addition to not bringing in all the money, they also do not want to make most of the decisions or "wear the pants." To...
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Re: Would You Date/Marry A Woman Who Desires To Be Housewife?

folobatuyi ·
Re: Would You Date/Marry A Woman Who Desires To Be Housewife?
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Re: Who is Mychal Massie?

Kevin41 ·
man....I do not believe black people are that self-loathing...even in here or those house negroes with white dick (forget dixie) in their mouths....their subordination level to white men does reek of homosexuality......because it is like they have an undying love for them....literally......at the expense of the women in their own damn families....and something is fishy about that schit......I sometimes wonder if they also defer to sexual acts with white men behind closed doors for...
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Re: If reparations are due, start with Native Americans

Isome ·
Whoa! That was a strange exchange. I, uhhhh, damn! We have to defer to white people and we should just get educated and get a job to earn their respect. (because clearly none of us are educated or employed if we're pro-reparations) Hmmmm.... Keebler-itis is catchy!
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Re: THE NAACP'S NATIONAL ANTHEM

Nmaginate ·
And Jesse and Al have what to do with me?? What part of that other thread about "conservativism" don't you understand? You quoted that yet you still fix your mouth to pose some silly ass questions to me. I'm still conflicted... PUNK or PUSSY? Which one are you? And ummm... NBRA and Project 21 are explicitly talking about REPUBLICANS and/or CONSERVATIVES. Ain't no "we" Blacks in nothing they do, despite rhetoric, like yours, that play heavily on "WE" because your PUNK (or is it pussy?) want...
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Re: They say Jim Crow....We say HELL NO!!!

Kevin41 ·
CF does not want black people to stand up and be equals...he wants us to leave white people and their rich azz country alone, pay our taxes but do not ask for the sae thing whitey does from the government..he wants us to defer to whites as second-class citizens and not equals....that is why he cannot agree that black kids should purge lower-scoring white kids from colleges the way they do when they claim a lower-scoring black got their seat. Hell we wants blacks to paddle rafts from katrina...
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Re: They say Jim Crow....We say HELL NO!!!

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
Kevin does not believe that THE BLACK COMMUNITY CAN TAKE MEASURE OF OUR PRIORITIES AND BEGIN TO SHAPE OUR CULTURE SO THAT THESE PRIORITIES ARE EXPRESSED. He has OUTSOURCED the RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CARE OF BLACK FOLKS TO THE SAME ENTITY THAT HAS HISTORICALLY ENSLAVED US, RAPED US AND REDLINED US. Does Kevin seem like a RATIONAL HUMAN BEING? A BRAINWASHED KNEEGROW IS A TERRIBLE THING. He has little confidence in the innate abilities of his people yet attempts to PROJECT his hatred against...
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Re: Zacarias Moussaoui

EbonyRose ·
I think it's strange that he didn't look like the others, and like K4R, I don't believe he was supposed to be involved in 9/11. Nope, again, I defer to Kweli4Real! Let him suffer a long life in prison. Nope. I don't believe they were connected in any way.
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Re: Activist: Exterminate White People

Isome ·
I cannot argue the absence of containment of white extremists. I don't think anyone could articulate a credible argument of its existence. The most recent example is that pseudo-Christian millionare Pat Robertson and his call for the assassination of Hugo Chavez. Personally, I am just a little taken aback by Kambon's public proclamation. On another note: Tim Wise is a rarity, and the first to tell people that white folks are the ones that are needed to put their feet on the collective neck...
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Re: "Monthly" Terrorism Alerts

Souljah ·
So what does each code mean? What actions are to be taken? I mean let's be real. We have no real infastructure to deal with terrorist actions quickly and I defer to 11 Sept. So my advice would be the same as they gave in the 1980's about possible nuclear attacks. Go down in the basement or tub or wherever and kiss your A** good bye! What's going to happen will happen and we won't be able to do anything about it. So why worry about it. I certainly don't. Souljah "Every shut eye ain't asleep.
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Re: What is the worth or value of an "OPINION"?

Kevin41 ·
Lipati posted, The sad story is that these Uncle Toms are the real problem to the black race because whitey never launched a direct, frontal attack on Africans. In all the places he conquered, he first divided the people by looking for a Judas among them. With the promise of material benefits, Judas' are always used by the devil to destroy their own societies. For exemple Joseph Désiré Kabila and Mobutu Sesse Seko were/are the great Judas in Congo.. Lastly, these uncle Toms have the guts...
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Re: Civil Rights or The Holocaust:

Yssys (Guest) ·
Norland if we loved it so much, then we wouldn't have fought against it during the 1960's and 1970's. (I know that you are being sarcastic) I agree with you, Nmaginate, but again I must defer to my topic "What is our course of Action". Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all...
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Re: Civil Rights or The Holocaust:

Nmaginate ·
I want to issue a challenge to my beloved brothers and sisters here. I will preface it with this sentiment: I am just as passionate as everyone else and that passion may indeed spill over into some areas were I am intolerant of particular types of discourses... That's been true in the past and will probably remain so in the future. More than anything... My ever-lasting love is for us, all of us, to be able to one day fill the void we have for the answers, the reality of progress for our...
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Re: Your careers?

Faith ·
OK. But, if you get a job at a university hospital or something like that, then they will pay for your graduate education while you work; and, if you are in a grad program, you can defer payment of many student loans...unless they are already in default But, even that isn't insurmountable!!
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Re: Who is Black????

MBM ·
I'll admit that I have not read every word in this thread. Nevertheless, I wanted to dive in and offer some perspective on your questions below. What does this mean? Many of our Founding Fathers understsood the great hypocrisy in their efforts to create a free nation, and yet still permit the existence of an institution built on the principle of human bondage. As you will recall Ben Franklin was an abolititionist. Others were against slavery, but were overwhelmed by the question of what to...
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Re: Who is Black????

JuneBug ·
I have to differ with you on your take on many Hispanics.... We happen to know many Hispanics too, my wife and daughter speak fluent Spanish, and I have 2 brother in-laws married to Hispanic\Mexican women. We have witness prejudice against black skin among Hispanics. Many Hispanics admire white skin and look down on black skin, many of them are concerned about the color of their skin especially if they consider themselves "Spaniard", many Hispanics are very proud of their white\Spaniard...
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Re: The Rise of Hillary Clinton

MBM ·
Good news for Clinton in NBC poll (MSNBC: 1/23/03) New York senator leads 2004 Democratic contenders by huge margin By Tom Curry MSNBC Jan. 24 "” The allure of the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination just grew brighter, according to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll that shows President Bush's popularity slipping. But for Democrats, the most alluring candidate for 2004 is a politician who is not even formally in the running, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York. The new poll shows...
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Re: EarthQuakes & AfterShocks: Perspectives on Slavery & Racism

Vox ·
!! I haven't read the bulk of this thread yet, so I guess I have to defer on whether this was called for. I once got into a discussion on interracial dating, which led Faheem to take me on a horridly minute and totally pointless tangent about the meaning of the word "natural." I was pretty annoyed by it, but I never got to this level. You two should try and make amends, for real. Anyway... Faheem, it's really not useful to even try to. When I put forth analogies, they're usually for the...
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Re: Warriors and Mavericks

Nmaginate ·
The Mavs problem/dilemma was that they signed Raef LaFrentz to big contract too soon. I don't think he's that bad of a player but they don't use him and it doesn't seem like he fits their needs. If he was a Najera type of scrappy player with his height, then he would be perfect. You're right about there only being One Ball to go around but I don't think Jamison is a selfish player. Raef isn't either but he would be better on a team where he was at least the 3rd option. He just doesn't fit...
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Re: Warriors and Mavericks

Tigers37 ·
Thanks for the Kevin Garnett, I can't believe I forgot his name. Your list of PF is right on, they are young and mobile...things Malone has lost...but he does have savvy. Stoudamire will be the man in a few years, that boy is tough. As for Payton, he is one of the great players. Watching him all these years, starting at OSU, he is amazing in how much he has improved his shot. His defense was always there. I hope he can defer, maybe he will be like Oscar Robertson when he went to Milwaukee to...
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Re: Irreconcilable Religious Differences?

Rowe ·
Reply to Melesi: Melesi: The Romans persecuted Christians simply because it was so different they sometimes thought it a danger to the cohesiveness of the Empire. Rowe: What you are not accepting Melesi is that every cultural group has a spiritual identity, a belief system, a set of world-views, a spiritual existence that is ultimately responsible for directing and organizing the people that create it and follow it. Beliefs, customs, traditions, ideologies, moral and ethical standards of...
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Re: Irreconcilable Religious Differences?

shebakoby ·
Well while it is certainly a "Reality" that different cultures usually have different religions (exceptions abound; for instance other-country conversions to Islam, Buddhism, Christianity or Judaism), I'd like to point out that while a person may grow UP in a culture and a certain religion, THAT PERSON IS BY NO MEANS BOUND TO IT FOR ETERNITY IF THEY CHOOSE ANOTHER PATH. An East Indian need not be a Hindu or Sikh; A white person need not be atheist humanist or Christian; a person from an...
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Re: Bill Cosby Urges Black Students to Study

Kevin41 ·
JanesT, When has a black person said all is hopeless due to our color. You sound like one of those old white antebellum racists that just want negroes to shut the f-k up about the disparate treatment many of us face daily...and it has nothing to do with age, gender or acheivement level or economic status...so get off of that bullschit white rhetoric that tries to tell black people what we should and should not acknowledge about oue own damn social reality. I have been highly highly qualified...
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Re: NYTimes.com: Bush Picks Alberto Gonzales to Replace Ashcroft at Justice Dept.

ricardomath ·
Here's the take on this from the Human Rights Watch webpage. U.S.: Attorney General Nominee Undermined Rights Former White House Counsel Helped U.S. Circumvent International Legal Obligations (New York, November 10, 2004)"”Alberto Gonzales is a poor choice for the top law enforcement post in the United States, Human Rights Watch said today. President George W. Bush today nominated Gonzales to replace John Ashcroft as attorney general. As White House counsel, Gonzales was the architect of the...
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Re: The Concept of Federo: a Case Study

Oshun Auset ·
Buganda's Goal is Not Secession -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Vision (Kampala) OPINION October 19, 2004 Andrew Kasirye Kampala No one needs to be reminded that Uganda is a nation state founded upon a social contract crafted by the British Colonial government. The emergence of the sovereign state in Africa was the necessary instrument of Europe's colonial expansion. To achieve that, the British built an entire apparatus of legal...
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Re: Polygamy: A Remedy Or a Right?

Rowe ·
Unless you are just being sarcastic, I would not go so far as to apply that description to polygamy because such a definition obviously shows a limited understanding of polygamy and its functional role in some indigenous cultures. Oshun has already accurately covered the cultural context of polygamy so I will not discuss it further. However, for this guy to make attempts to export only this particular aspect of African civilization without considering how all the other aspects of African...
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Re: If reparations are due, start with Native Americans

Rowe ·
Nmaginate, I encourage you as well as other black males to read a book titled A Black Man's Guide To Surviving In A White Man's World by E. LeMay Lathan. The reason why I'm not interested in investing much effort or time in threads discussing reparations is because black people will never get reparations. Its as simple as that. Its a waste of time to expect reparations or apologies from white people who have persistently worked (whether you agree with the way it was done or not) so that they...
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Re: If reparations are due, start with Native Americans

Nmaginate ·
ROWE, I didn't ask you to speak about your issues. I asked you to layout your motivations for NOT making and sticking to what you think are counter-arguments. You can keep all your fucked up interpretations and (mis)characterizations to yourself. Again, I asked you what's behind your arguments here. Your unfounded and inconsistent arguments. I didn't ask you what you think about those who are proponents of Reparations. But, at least you revealed what informs your view... your mentality and...
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Re: If reparations are due, start with Native Americans

Nmaginate ·
First, besides making an obvious EXCUSE, this is your aSSumptive judgement. We'll leave it at that for now... Hmmm.... now directly on this EXCUSE... Exactly why do you think that's important? Exactly why do you think that's important to me? Does the fact that you don't believe Reparations are forthcoming EXCUSE your poorly constructed arguments-positions? Is that what you're trying to say? "Please don't pay much attention to my arguments because I haven't put much time and effort into them.
 
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