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Re: "Church Of The Spread Legs"

FireFly ·
yes, HB, I was very much in my own mindset here and totally oblivious to the less than a year's dating concept. My bad. After 3 outings however, I'd be expecting Mr Iceman to defrost and reveal his real self. Or as close as he can get. For me, 'just dating' is more like socializing. If both of you enjoy each others' company, it doesn't have to actually lead somewhere, but for me, I would rather put more energy into sustaining either long term friendships or long term relationships. I have...
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Re: Oral Tradition vs. Written

HonestBrother ·
I think they're both interesting...but regarding the supposed honesty of oral traditions, the story may be more complex... I once saw this documentary about an oral society. It was a long time ago and I don't remember many of the details but one thing that struck me was that there were "official" oral histories and historians in the culture and if someone - a ruler say - fell into disfavor, this person would simply be purged from the official account and hence from collective memory. I was...
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Re: College "Education" Is BS

Shango67 ·
I am for whisking as many Black children away from traditional (eurocentric) schools as we can - regardless of age, gender, and ability. Soon to come back to discuss why,
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Re: Martin Lee Anderson -- Modern-Day Emmit Till

Empty Purnata ·
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_2478.shtml By Saeed Shabazz Staff Writer Updated Mar 15, 2006, 12:36 pm FinalCall.com) - The family of Martin Lee Anderson, a 14-year-old who died in early January after entering a Florida boot camp for juveniles, asked that his body be exhumed for a second autopsy, according to various news reports. The family attorney told the Associated Press (AP) that Dr. Michael Baden, a New York City-based forensic pathologist who reviewed the medical...
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Re: African American Suicide

ma'am ·
I'm very shocked by the number, but I've never really imagined a number because I have nothing to base it on. It's so taboo that I haven't discussed suicide much with other Blacks. Asked to compare the suicide rate with the murder rate, I would have guessed that murder had it beat by a long shot, though. I know Black people who have been murdered, but I don't know any who have actually killed themselves. Only one Black person has admitted to me that she has attempted suicide before, but I...
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Re: Organizing the discussion

Khalliqa ·
I'll be purchasing the book this week.... I like ddouble's suggestion of discussing the book section by section..... Peace, Virtue
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Re: Condi for President? No thank you.

nayo ·
The comment towards the end of this article, is relatively disengenuous, as it minimizes the historical significance of 'the trades' industrial side;and while slavery had ended, it is obvious who was working the cotton fields. (isolated comment near the end.) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Rice's Beatle break from diplomacy U.S. secretary of state in Liverpool, will meet British counterpart From Elise Labott CNN Thursday, March 30, 2006; Posted: 8:19 p.m.
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Re: Organizing the discussion

MBM ·
I'm thinking that we should start the discussion pretty soon. I still get the sense that some are waiting for their books, but I think we should kick things off and let people join as they are able. We'll break the book into various sections and create separate threads to discuss each. I'll lead the first discussion to start and we can gauge involvement etc. to monitor the pace of things. I look forward to it!
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Re: shag, marry, push off a cliff...

FireFly ·
Shag, Marry, lunch, Push off a cliff ... Shag, Kiss and Marry > Djimon Houson (yes, we have to go there again) Lunch > Cornell West's residence Go to Cornell's place with Djimon and Henry Louis Gates, Jr. for above lunch and discuss > Cheikh Anta Diop's written volumes and recordings of lectures and discuss - seeing as he's not around anymore Push off a cliff? hmmm... no one springs to mind - maybe whoever invented American Idol . - - - - Shag, Tongue-kiss, Marry, lunch, Push off a...
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Re: Organizing the discussion

bigddouble ·
What is your timetable for opening threads on chapters 2-10? Since the chapters do not have to be read in sequence to follow the book maybe we could discuss all simultaneously.
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Re: Organizing the discussion

MBM ·
I'm thinking that in an effort to stimulate the most focused and active discussion, we should go chapter by chapter. I'd hate for somewhat random posts to come in and site for weeks while people get to that point - although I'm open to anything. What do you all think?
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Re: Organizing the discussion

spiral ·
Hello people..... I just purchased my book and I'm excited about the opportunity to discuss these lively topics with the forum. Nisa
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Re: The Covenant With Black America: A Review

MBM ·
I think it makes sense to reserve judgment until we get a chance to discuss the book. I imagine that much will be unsurfaced through the dialogue process.
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Re: Why do men hurt us?????

Rowe ·
Sister Virtue what I'm reading in your testament is that your issue really has nothing to do with Black men, but with your interactions with people in general. Now you don't need to feel embaressed or ashamed about wanting to discuss this matter with us because it's helpful to have a dialogue with people about what's going on in your life. You've recently given me advice about a matter that I shared with folks, which ultimately stressed the importance of taking some control of your...
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Re: Organizing the discussion

EbonyRose ·
I'm thinking that perhaps everyone won't read every chapter in order and/or may have a particular interest in one subject over another and wish to discuss that chapter in particular. So, maybe we should put it to a vote? Majority wins.
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Re: Organizing the discussion

MBM ·
Well - I guess it depends on whether we are going to try to have a "book discussion" or just randomly post about the book. I see a big difference. If this is a discussion, then the point is for folks to read and comment - together - as we go along. That's why we've been waiting for as many people as possible to get their books to start this. I'm cool to do this any way folks like though.
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Re: They Say You're "Acting White"? You Probably Deserve It

Nikcara ·
This is just too tempting; it is like the breastfeeding debate. Here we go. Since you have lived in the US for most of your life, you are aware that, we, American Blacks, say that we are Kings and Queens of Africa. Kings and Queens are well educated people or how could they successfuly run an empire. I am also aware that the first university in the world was in Timbuktu; a major city of the Kingdom of Nubia [correct me if I am wrong] not Greece as Europeans would have the non white world...
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

HonestBrother ·
Zakar, stop being a wanker... Look at what the US is doing around the world: in Haiti, in Iraq, in Afghanistan...etc. etc Point is: From a practical point of view, there aren't too many places to go to be 'independent' from white America... and that's not even considering the question of where we would go even if we were all in agreement about starting our own nation. The problem is that hard core Nationalists talk a good talk... but they almost always come up short on specifics...
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Re: Do you think the government is reading AA.org?

Yemaya ·
I'm glad that you brought this point up MBM. I was going to bring it up, but wasn't quite sure how to approach the subject without coming off too strongly. What I've noticed at times is the high number of 'guests' logged into the board. I know that not all of them are government agencies/agents who anonymously visit the board. However, I do believe that the board is being monitored and files are being created, just as sure as the sun rises in the morning. If the past history of governmental...
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Re: Jack and Jill of America, Inc.

Khalliqa ·
You know I was trying not to mention that..... it was a reality for me personally in Georgia... though not with J&J..... the paperbag test....... was applied here in Georgia by many members of the organization.... tthough not all..... but enough that it was a common practice..... I do not think skin color is an issue any more.... at least not to the extent it used to be.... I think income and status was and still is a significant factor.... which is why.... it's good to instill...
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Re: Jack and Jill of America, Inc.

Diamond ·
Virtue, You are so right, we don't discuss the hurtful things we have done to ourselves. We are quick to point out what the white man has done to us but we very seldom discuss what we do to ourselves. I am ashamed to say that I have heard of the paper bag test. Not only with the J&J but with other black organizations. For example my church, I heard it said by someone I respect that a presbyterian is a baptist that has made it. In addition, my presbyterian church has a history of only...
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Re: On this date: April 6th

Guest ·
I would rather deal with definitions than philosophy. Philosophy is limited to a small group of people who discuss a matter and, quite frankly, if the facts aren't set straight early on, the group can be way off base (such as the whole pyramids and spacemen thing. Definitions are things that are set in stone. rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm) n. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. Discrimination or...
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Re: On this date: April 6th

Guest ·
virtue: "I was under the impression that definitions were changed periodically according to societal use....." ===================================== I feel your logic is a sound one. Yes, I also do believe that definitions were changed periodically according to social use. virtue: " May I ask who defines racism? the abuser or the victim?" ================================= Neither. Webster. Every year Webster's Dictionary adds new words African-Americans create (as well as from other races).
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Re: What, Where ,Who is God and How do you know Him?

Khalliqa ·
Lord help me.... I was trying not to make comments here.... but I seem to not be keeping my word on being quiet... I guess I am in the season of responding..... But I feel compelled to say.... that somehow.... your responses....speak to me.... BV I did a paper in philosophy class comparing Confucious' ideas... to Taoism..... and the disagreements..... in allowing oneself to go with the flow (for lack of better words) with "the way"..... or impacting one's will on "the way"..... you know when...
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Re: What, Where ,Who is God and How do you know Him?

Black Viking ·
Hmmm... I don't know. Let me look at my calander... *Black Viking thumbs through pocket calander... crosses out hot date and pencils in "Virtue".* Just kidding... Sure V , anytime you like. I'm not that versed in Confucionism... I look forward to your perspective. I agree. This is part and parcel to putting God in a box. The phenomenon starts with the assumtion that God can be understood by the human mind. You are correct. That is written in the Tao Te Ching . I used to feel that way. But, I...
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Re: Pan Africanism 2006

umbrarchist ·
How is Pan-Africanism different from Black Nationalism? I tend to dislike the term Nationalism because the very nature of the spread of the Black diaspora has put us in different nations created by other people. Most of the Black nations in Africa had their borders defined by Whites. So though I consider the terms somewhat equivalent I would lean toward Pan-Africanism. Also I think technology makes nations obsolete. I have visited a board in Pakistan and left messages. I am communicating...
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Re: Discrimination against Haitian migrants and their descendants in the Dominican Republic

Yemaya ·
Read the book "Farming of the Bones' by Edwidge Danticat. You will be absolutely appalled. Although it is a work of fiction, it is based on actual events. These things don't come up when discussing the current events and how the Dominican Republic's government has harbored the criminals who sought to destroy Haiti. How they worked in cohorts just recently to overthrow Aristide. Why? Because he was not part of the light skinned upper class of Haitians mixed with white (french and spanish).
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Re: ˜The Covenant' Tops Bestseller List -- the First for a Black-Owned Publisher

FireFly ·
Is anyone here hosting or attending any of these parties (as per link in the above post)? Which I think are a great idea. Also happy to hear about the book's success. I wish my copy would arrive soon. ps... I'll also encourage the bookstore I work in to order some copies in. No-one hear has even heard of it - yet.
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Re: Zimbabweans have 'shortest lives'

ZAKAR ·
Zimbabwe: Mugabe Renews Threat of Mine Grabs Email This Page Print This Page Business Day (Johannesburg) April 19, 2006 Posted to the web April 19, 2006 Dumisani Muleya Johannesburg EMBATTLED Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe yesterday stirred controversy again by renewing his threat to grab 51% of foreign-owned mines, with 25% of that taken for free. "We said we want 51% in favour of Zimbabwe and 49% in favour of the investors," Mugabe told a gathering at a local stadium in Harare to mark...
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Re: Appreciating Black Beauty

Rowe ·
Okay well sister you and I both know that while everyone might be beautiful, there is only one group of people whose "beauty" takes precedence. This is why it is up to us to discuss these matters and supply folks with diverse images of beauty because those who have fallen victim to the "color blind" rhetoric will certainly not.
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Re: Fasting???

Nykkii ·
Melesi-- are you under medical supervision when you do these fasts? do you discuss them and the effects to your body with a physician? __________________________________________ quote: msprettygirl, It depends on why you want to fast, I think. ___________________________________________ i'm not sure the "reasons" for fasting answer the danger to your body fasting incorrectly can cause. red BLACK green
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Re: Is Christmas Christian?

Nmaginate ·
You're a riot!! I think I've demonstrated my knowledge as it pertains to the Bible plenty of times to you. Lest you forget the Jesus & Christianity Debate we had before. No... I don't swallow your doctrine but you can't say I don't "know nothing about" the Bible or Christianity. What happened to your little whimpy plea: "MBM, Sorry, but this guy just will not discuss reasonably." Yeah... that was when you had very little to say in defense of you WEAK reasoning when confronted with what I...
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Re: Is Christmas Christian?

Melesi ·
henry, Don't put words in my mouth. I did not say that sinful humans have the right or freedom to do what they want. When I said "we" I was talking about Christians.Context, henry, context. You are You are good with words, but you are terrible with meanings. Everyone has the ability to do as they please, but that doesn't make it right. When Christians set out to obey God, they will do things a little differntly, and that's ok. Anything else is a legalism that Paul takes to task in Galatians...
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Re: 9/11 - The Anniversary, The Legacy

Afroman ·
Inequality Before and After 9/11 by Paul Street I'll always remember the day I tried to engage in that silly exercise called "speaking truth to power." It was early December of 2001. My topic was American policymakers' decision to place nearly a million black people behind bars and to mark more than one in three black males with a felony record. As a member of a Chicago-based council of advisers working to help ex-offenders "reintegrate" into the "free world," I was invited to a pleasant...
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Re: A War For Oil? - Friedman

Kevin41 ·
MBM, your last post was really a no-brainer. I know kids who would figure that out....what you are saying is too obvious to even discuss.....thanks
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Re: society and the black man

Nykkii ·
this reply is to Vox and Nmaginate--who i will first thank for contributing. both of your posts talk about being a unique/distinct type of black man who doesn't fit the "black man mold". can either/both of you expound on what you think that "black man mold" is? i'd bet the majority of black men don't think they fit a pre-determined mold society has out there for black men. the myths that have been given in this topic are the beginnings of proof of that. you are all not athletes, or rappers,...
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Re: Welfare

Tigers37 ·
Great discussion and presentation of information. I appreciated garling1's comments...There is so much information, mostly negative concerning us about welfare. No one spends the time to discuss the impact of corporate welfare on this country's economy. Since the Reagan administration, we have been losing jobs, especially manufacturing jobs, to overseas countries, i.e., Asian where the labor costs are lower. The tax system enables companies to create loopholes to hide their profits, (Enron...
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Re: Men and Girl Friends ...

Nykkii ·
I have to say I agree with you both (ER and ISISTAH)...and I don't know if I was going anywhere in particular with the question, it just hit me as I read some of the reply's. It seems this topic has two sides to it. 1. you are capable of having "friends" of the opposite sex who you either have never been intimate with, or have shared intimacy with in the past but are now strictly friends. you are capable of having these types of friends while maintaining a relationship yourself, or with them...
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Re: True or False: Diversity is our Strength.

sergeant ·
Know what I'd like to discuss, the notion that "diversity is our strength" Where and when has 'diversity' been anyone's strength?
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Re: What to do?

isistah ·
Hi Kweli! Your daughter sounds very bright and observant, so I would try reading Genesis with her. Not only is the story of Adam and Eve told, the wereabouts of the garden is described and I think it will be clear to her that not only are Adam & Eve people of color, but other Biblical characters probably were as well. My son picked up on that immediately and I think he was around her age at the time. I can't name any specific books that depict historical or mythical characters as black,...
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Re: Caucasian Club?

ricardomath ·
This is one of the things that used to bug me about trying to discuss anything at the PW Forum. It seemed like people there had preconcieved notions about what anybody from outside their little world would say, that they heard you saying those things whether you did or not. Thus, when I first posted there, I was accused of repeatedly calling people racists, and of being racist, even before I had a chance to make a second post. The word "racist" seemed to be used by them dozens of times, all...
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Re: Political Correctness in Action: The Day the Music Died

Mountain ·
If you claim that 'bush' is not speaking 'honestly', doesn't that throw your whole notion of this employee only reciting 'bush' rhetoric totally into the waste can??? Regardless, I am personally neutral on the 'war' side of the argument. Fact is, she never had the right to teach political views in a public school music class. Some of those same students may have loved ones, parents, siblings, actually fighting in Iraq or in the military, and in a time of war a little sensitivity is advised.
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Re: Clark Enters Race

Guest ·
My gut feeling about Clark has been proven to be on point. "Can anything be more moving than the joyous throngs swarming the streets of Baghdad? Memories of the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the defeat of Milosevic in Belgrade flood back. Statues and images of Saddam are smashed and defiled. Liberation is at hand. Liberation – the powerful balm that justifies painful sacrifice, erases lingering doubt and reinforces bold actions. Already the scent of victory is in the air." – Wesley Clark, The...
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Re: Clark Enters Race

Vox ·
Sarge, here's a tip: because Wesley Clark is a human being, surely there are real, legitimate criticisms you could come up with, and that we'll all discuss and digest. To blame this guy for Somalia, and then post the ridiculous lie that ethnic cleansing in the Balkans was a hoax, shows a level of desperation that's not necessary this early in the campaign. There will undoubtedly be truthful bad things to say about him. Stick to those, and your arguments will have more credibility.
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Re: Something of a Revelation

soul_doctor73 ·
I can see the angle you're taking, but you forget, before all this modern transformation, before the 'Romans' defeated the effeminate 'Greeks', there was Egypt. From what I hear, Egypt is 'Greek' for 'black', no need to specualte as to 'why'. If we take your modern perspective, going back as far as you did, 200 bc, around the time of the Hasmoneans or the Maccabee Brothers. Have you heard of them? Do you know their story or read the *four* books of the Maccabees? Prior to them, during...
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Re: Something of a Revelation

soul_doctor73 ·
If my linguistic analysis is your motivation then you are barking up the wrong tree. However you intend to promote your intellectual prowess means very little to me. It makes no difference to me what you believe concerning my post. I did say 'objectively', need I define the word? You are *still* talking of lingustics. Proof positive that this is above your current spiritual comprehension. You are wasting my time with these comedic antics to buff your ego. And you are further waisting your...
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Re: Something of a Revelation

Melesi ·
soul_doctor, If this is no place for egos, then you certainly do need to go somewhere else, for yours is as self-inflated as any I've seen. YOu start your original post with the statement that anything that any of your readers now believes "is irrelevant." That's a pretty presumptuous statement, really, indicative of an ego instead of a mind. But you are a single-minded evangelist on a mission, and nothing so little as the truth will stand in your way. YOu ahve all the truth that anyone...
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Re: Something of a Revelation

soul_doctor73 ·
Presumptuous, yes. Intentional actually, but at the time the futility wasn't apparent to me. You have me just about pegged: single-minded and on a mission, but no evangelist. The 'gospels' are all, for the most part, fiction. You will not find me preaching 'Jesus saves'. But of course, evangelist is your opinion, and I understand that. But you did grasp the elements of my 'mission' as you call it. Pretty perceptive. No. *You* placed linguistics and words at the center of *your* argument. I...
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Re: Something of a Revelation

Melesi ·
soul-doctor, You really do need to improve your understanding of the language you use. "Evangelist" is not just one who prosyletizes to Christianity, but rather one who preaches a truth to get people to change their minds about it. It comes from the Greek word "euaggelion" (The Greeks didn't have a separate letter "h," they used a kind of diacritical mark for it, but it's there. This word is pronounced "hyu-an-GEL-ee-on") which means, "good news" or "glad tidings." Anyone who pronounces good...
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Re: If you were president.....

EbonyRose ·
Oh this is an easy one!! If I were president .... Iraq - there would be no Iraq situation. We wouldn't have our azzes in Iraq, since we've got no business being there!! Hundreds of our soldiers would still have their lives and their families. (Unlike they do right now.) The economy - I would have continued with the sucessful, surplus-creating policies that were in place, expanded on them when necessary and we would have no economy situation (as we have now!) North Korea - See Iraq! And add,...
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