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Re: Black Unity: Moving Beyond The RHETORIC

sunnubian ·
I think we all are in agreement with the only true difference being how we have either worded or express our opinion. ---------------------------------- Side: What would you say to a Mock African American Congress on this board where we would address real issues in African America as a test run on your idea?
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Re: Black Unity: Moving Beyond The RHETORIC

HonestBrother ·
How do you create a Unity paradigm? How about a statement of purpose and principles? The original colonies had constitutional conventions and hashed out a unifying document. E Pluribus Unum - From Many One. Newt Gingtrich had the Contract With America. If somebody can put together a million man march, can't someone put together a black "constitutional convention"? The purpose of which would be to articulate collective goals and preferred methods and strategies to achieve them. It seems like...
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Re: Black Unity: Moving Beyond The RHETORIC

Empty Purnata ·
AYE!!
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Re: Black Unity: Moving Beyond The RHETORIC

Empty Purnata ·
I guess we might need to.
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Re: Black Unity: Moving Beyond The RHETORIC

Noah The African ·
I think that actions are motivated by emotions, when not motivated directly by instinct without thought. Some emotions thus produce an instinctive reaction, such as fear producing the action resultant of fight or flight. Unity is an action and hence requires a prerequisite emotion to motivate towards the instinctive reaction to the emotion. There is nothing that creates unity more than a shared enemy. This is why this nation always embarks upon a campaign of demonizing an entity in order to...
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Re: Black Unity: Moving Beyond The RHETORIC

MBM ·
Why don't the people on this thread and at this site endeavor to create a statement of purpose AND a strategy/platform/roadmap for a unified approach. Why not? First, it would be a great exercise for us. Second, it might become a valuable template/example for others to look to. Third, if not us - who? If not now - when?
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Re: Kola Boof Speaks: Race & Beauty In America

Rowe ·
Sister Kola speaks volumes in her discussion about race and beauty in America. Her thorough discussion about the ways in which the White supremacist concept of whiteness has impacted people globally is reminiscent of the research done by Neely Fuller and Dr. Francis Welsing. I'm certain her analysis has been heavily influenced by Dr. Fuller's United Independent Compensatory Code. Thanks for sharing. Loved it! What is Beauty? Within a world dominated by White Supremacy it is vitally important...
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Re: Kola Boof Speaks: Race & Beauty In America

Rowe ·
Europe's Love-Hate Relationship With Africa If the concept of "whiteness" has influenced the world, and the goal of White Supremacy is to establish (and maintain) whiteness as THE standard of universal beauty, how do we account for Europe's (of all places) fascination with Black people? How do you account for Europeans', particularly those in the Fashion Industry, love for Native African models like Alek Wek? Considering Europe is the place from which European-Americans come, one would...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

HonestBrother ·
If that's all she's saying, then fine. I agree. Desire whoever you want. It's America. BUT STOP ALL THE GRIPING WHEN YOU DON'T FIND IT . AND STOP COMPLAINING WHEN THOSE OF US WHO AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU DATE OUTSIDE THE RACE.
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Re: Kola Boof Speaks: Race & Beauty In America

nayo ·
That perspective, gives me cognitive dissonant reflux, everytime. Perhaps the 'appreciation', is more fetishstic(sp), than 'natural' appreciation, which I'm hesitant to understand. I think of Europe's adoration of Grace Jones in the 1980's, and feeling something was 'off'. Not that Jones was'nt a beautiful woman (if not odd), but being that Europe, is the cradle of white supremacy, their appreciation suggests something deeper, more than a 'simple' appreciation of aesthetics. Makes me go,...
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Re: Kola Boof Speaks: Race & Beauty In America

kresge ·
IMO, the attraction is rooted in the signifying, displacement, projection or othering that is part of white supremacy. If one sets up these binaries of white/black, good/bad, chase/sexual and libidinous, saintly/sinner one will see this phenomenon of love/hate. Women of color have historically been portrayed as sexual, erotic, alluring, dark and mysterious as well as ugly, undesirable, and repulsive. The "other" both attracts and repells. It fascinates and terrifies.
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Re: The Boondocks

James Wesley Chester ·
Boondocks is now in the cash flow of mainstream America. We will have to learn to live with it. So was 'Amos 'n Andy'. Both shows make me laugh. In fact, we laughed for years. We ultimately rejected that show. That will not happen with 'Boondocks' until society turns it against us. By the way, what is the difference with McGruder's words and Cosby's words? Is there a 'bright-line' difference? PEACE Jim Chester
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Re: Kola Boof Speaks: Race & Beauty In America

Rowe ·
Sister Marimba Ani (1994), speaking on the collective hypocrisy exhibited by Europeans in Chapter one of her book Yurugu: An African-Centered Critique of European Thought and Behavior believes hypocrisy is a "way of life" for Europeans. She would undoubtedly agree with the explanations you and Brother Nayo have provided. Hypocrisy as a Way of Life Marimba Ani Within the nature of European culture there exists a statement of value or of "moral" behavior that has no meaning for the members of...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

FireFly ·
now you are using charm as a 'weapon'! No I do understand the sistas frustrations. I have my own living here, lol - but we better not go there or I'll get into all sorts of trouble. Real and imagined. I think women here truly are trying to answer your question. Far be it for me to put words in their mouth. But the good thing is they are talking about it - and you guys are responding. So whether there is a bit of drama or not is in fact GOOD coz you are both chipping away at it. It being...
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Re: Reparations for Native Americans?

MBM ·
Nmaginate - in light of the recent article you posted where the argument for reparations was predicated more on a general "wrong" done slaves than slavery itself, this post begs the question if Native Americans have received _enough_ pay back for what they have suffered. Was the "wrong" they suffered sufficiently compensated by America? BTW - the two paragraphs in the original post are completely independent questions. It asks if what Native Americans recieved is/can be considered a...
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Re: I guess the draft will start once they start f-king with Iran

Kevin41 ·
**Democracy and Freedom of Speech my azz: L.A. Times writer defends incendiary Iraq column Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:27 PM ET By Dan Whitcomb LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A Los Angeles Times columnist who infuriated conservatives by writing that he does not support American troops fighting in Iraq -- and calling those who do "wusses" -- stood by the article on Tuesday. Joel Stein said he has been "bombarded" by hate mail over the incendiary article -- which was headlined "Warriors and Wusses" and held...
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Re: I guess the draft will start once they start f-king with Iran

Faheem ·
Here is a great piece by Pat... __________________________ Iran vs. Israel: Bush's dilemma -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: January 25, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern By Patrick J. Buchanan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- © 2006 Creators Syndicate, Inc. In the test of wills between the West and Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad shows no sign of backing down. The Iranian president has said Israel should...
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Re: Who Should Pay for Reparations? Black Americans... Obviously

Opey ·
I don't want someone to agree with me. I want a PERSON who will challenge my position. In this way, we will arrive at TRUTH together. ___ We can train ourselves to take each other's ideas, beliefs, and understandings seriously. The rule is to stay focused, calm and pay attention. Communicate and discuss, rather than yell and proclaim. If anxiety, about needing to be right, becomes the primary concern, one becomes entrenched in one's own position, Which may not be the truth. If one gets...
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Re: PBS: Slavery And the Making Of America

James Wesley Chester ·
This is indeed one the outstanding pieces on the history of Africans in America. If you are paying attention, you will notice as did I, that The Mayflower came waaaaay late in the game. The Mayflower is the European Spin put on the history of North America. Tape it. If you can't tape it, buy it. PEACE Jim Chester
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Re: Keeping A 'Black Book' on Black Cops

sunnubian ·
I'm sure there is a 'black book' of this sort keeping tabs on ALL black police officers in every city in every state in America; There really should be a 'black book' kept on all police in every city in every state in America by American citizens, African American citizens in particular.
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Re: What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

HonestBrother ·
(1) Is this taking into account another 100 years of Jim Crow? (2) It's controversial exactly what Lincoln and the Union troops were sacrificing for - i.e., was it to end slavery or was it to preserve the Union? And there were also non-altruistic reasons for white northerners to oppose slavery. For example, many white northern industrialists feared that if the south industrialized that it would have a tremendous competitive advantage due to access to a huge pool of free slave labor. (3) But...
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Re: Black Unity: Moving Beyond The RHETORIC

Yemaya ·
Great post Noah! We don't allow ourselves to see other black people as being "black like us" and vice versa. Often times the majority of our people are suffering from the sames types of issues and don't even know it because there is a certain amount of disconnect. Some of the disconnect is external and some is internal. If we overcome the internal disconnect, we can definitely overcome the external disconnects.
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Re: father claims rights denied

sunnubian ·
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nikcara: "Good fathers get truly screwed because they want their kids but the mothers use the children as pawn for money. It is totally discretionary for the mother." -------------------------------------------- This is not a totally true statement, though I am sure, no I know that there are some mothers out there like that, but usually, court ordered childsupport has a formula for computing childsupport, which takes into consideration both parents incomes which...
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Re: Keeping A 'Black Book' on Black Cops

James Wesley Chester ·
There really should be a 'black book' kept on all police in every city in every state in America by American citizens, African American citizens in particular---sunnubian That's the book I envision. I would show a lot of good, and a lot of bad. The bad would wither in the exposure. The good would be nourished. PEACE Jim Chester
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Re: Who Should Pay for Reparations? Black Americans... Obviously

Nmaginate ·
OPEY? Who are you talking to? And what are you talking about? Save the RHETORIC... and the leading/loaded, irresponsible rhetorical questions. Your rhetorical question is proof that you neither understood (or even tried) or come even close to doing anything but PROCLAIMING: Proclaiming that "You don't want that... (because I, OPEY, don't think you do - i.e. I haven't heard a word said, much less attempted to understand)." Leave your baggage at home and just deal with topics...
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Re: A Narrow View of Black Women

folobatuyi ·
[QUOTE]Originally posted by HonestBrother: ..... As individuals we can refuse to be consumers of these images.....[QUOTE] Interesting point, HB and one that I strive to live by. It also remains me of an instance at work where a co-resident of mine who is a white girl was surprized to hear that I didn't date white girls as it was kinda expected in the area (Ohio) of successful and educated black guys. She was also surprized that I did not like skinny, boarderline prepubiscent girls; instead I...
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Re: What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

Black Viking ·
Christ, where do I start... Horsesh*t. There were two major contributing factors to the end of slavery and neither one had anything to do with the good graces of the slave holders. First, at the end of the 100 years war between England and France, both nations abolished slavery as a part of the treaty. They did this, presumably, because the economic advantage of slavery would have undone their stalemate if only one of them had it. But it became threatening for America to be the only Atlantic...
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Re: What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

James Wesley Chester ·
I think that Lincoln gets way to much credit for this. He wrote in a letter, just before the beginning of the Civil War, that his "greatest concern is to save the Union. If I believed that preserving slavery would accomplish that goal, I would do so." The only thing Lincoln deserves credit for is being far sighted enough to realize that if slavery wasn't abolished, the slaves themselves were going to tear his beloved Union down around his ears.---Black Viking I really appreciat your post. I...
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Re: What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

Black Viking ·
Thank you. Many people are unaware of the role Europeon nations played. Not because the information is unavailable, just because it doesn't fit into our cultural rhetoric. In school, we are consitantly lead to believe that slavery ended because America just woke up one day and realized slavery was wrong. The fact is that America knew that slavery was wrong from the beginning, and also knew that salvery was unsustainable. There is an exellent biography on George Washington titled "An...
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Re: What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

Black Viking ·
Exactly...
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Re: The Elephant in the Room While Black Kids Misbehave? Single Parent Homes

MBM ·
As a parent of two young school age boys I have seen this phenomenon first hand. Little white boys can swing from the ceiling and they are "cute". Let a little black boy do anything - exibiting energy and vibrance outside a very narrow prescribed box of behavior - and it's a problem. The elephant in the room is white racism against black children. Black kids never get the benefit of the doubt that white teachers would want for their own kids (hence they generously shovel it out for other...
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Re: Conservative Whites vs. Liberal Whites

MBM ·
In your opinions, aside from political ideology, are there any good white people in America - people who appreciate and respect justice and who are not bound by racism and discrimination?
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Re: Conservative Whites vs. Liberal Whites

MidLifeMan ·
Not sure if your question was for the group or for a particluar person so if forgive my response if "jumped into the middle of the conversation". The answer is yes. To say otherwise would be to generalize. Like Malcolm realized after is trip to Mecca, it's not the race or color of the peope but the mentality. To LABEL whole groups of people as inheriently bad is wrong. The nature of men does not change with races, class, gender, or religion. We ALL have our good and bad traits. The problem...
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Re: A Narrow View of Black Women

MidLifeMan ·
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Re: UBUNTU

MBM ·
Any thoughts on this point?
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Re: CF ... Be a dear and please explain ...

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
MBM: I have DETAILED to you the great suffering that is taking place as a result of the Tsunami in Indonesia and the Earthquake in Pakistan. While you, being American-centric in your concerns can only talk able the grieving Americans who did lose around 1,000 individuals in their natural disaster with the rest of the evacuees being put up in hotels, houses and trailers at government expense.......... the little boy in the photo has no such protection. The people in Pakistan are going to see...
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Re: CF ... Be a dear and please explain ...

MBM ·
Yada yada yada - tell that to the families of the 1,327 people who died as a result of the storm! You can wax poetic all night long about relative this and relative that. That means nothing to folks who lost loved ones. What happened anywhere else in the world is absolutely immaterial to their loss. Is that too difficult for you to grasp?
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Re: CF ... Be a dear and please explain ...

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
Great. I return the favor of ignoring YOU on a constant basis. Now we are even.
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Re: CF ... Be a dear and please explain ...

Vox ·
You don't know a single thing about me, you mother fucking idiot. And at this point, all you NEED to know is that you can [edited to say] eff off. [end of edit] You bitch ass piece of shit. Whatever! It's not like you could ever effectively rebut me--- ever, not even once! So you're doing yourself a favor by making it official!
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Re: CF ... Be a dear and please explain ...

Empty Purnata ·
Anyone remember CON-Feed's last avatar? It was of some random idiots standing with picket signs that read "Thank God for dead soldiers" and "America is doomed" and other crap. I wager that he was trying to say that those people represent the views of anyone who is not a Conservative or not a Bush/war-supporter.
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Re: father claims rights denied

Nikcara ·
By Sunnubian I am not sure where you practice law, but in NJ, child support is calculated based on both incomes, thereafter, the non-custodial parent, pays in cash or check directly to the cusotidal parent or to the child support office[in NJ it is called the Probation Department], who converts the cash into a check that is either deposited directly into the custodial parent's account or mailed to him or her. The Custodial Parent has the discretion to spend the money as he or she see fit.
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Re: A Narrow View of Black Women

Rowe ·
The public has launched attacks against the fashion industry's narrow standard of beauty for quite some time. In the 80's, for example, there was a great concern for White teenage girls who suffered from anorexia nervosa and bulemia as a result of them trying to look like the super models being featured in popular fashion magazines. Feminists, parents, and other concerned members of the community criticized fashion editors harshly for not featuring "normal-sized" women in their magazines,...
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Re: father claims rights denied

sunnubian ·
"I am not sure where you practice law, but in NJ, child support is calculated based on both incomes," ----------------------------------------------- I could have sworn that I stated that, but anyway, since that is how it is caculated, how can it be unfair to either party, especially to him or whichever parent does not actually have the children? -------------------------------------------- "thereafter, the non-custodial parent, pays in cash or check directly to the cusotidal parent or to...
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Re: PBS: African American Lives

Faheem ·
PBS TO OFFER SPECIAL PROGRAMMING FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH February 1 – February 28, 2006 Alexandria, VA - January 25, 2006 - From history to culture to drama to independent film, PBS features year-round programming both created by and about African Americans. In honor of Black History Month, PBS will broadcast a variety of new and encore presentations that celebrate the rich history of African Americans. The centerpiece for this month of special programs is a four-hour series by Henry Louis...
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Re: What is a Sellout?

MBM ·
IMO I would say someone who seeks personal gain at the expense of the group. I think its more than just 'trying to get theirs'. The key piece is doing so "at the expense of the group". Becuase she has sought out personal gain at the expense of the group. She has endeared herself with white conservatives (which in and of itself is contrary to the interests of African America), while also saying things to minimize the stature of the 'black struggle'. Rumsfeld and Cheney might be sell-outs, but...
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Re: What is a Sellout?

sunnubian ·
MBM clearly defined without room for any confusion what a sellout is when he states: "someone who seeks personal gain at the expense of the group." There is nothing more or nothing less to it. Neo-con Blacks are sellouts to African America. Neo-con hispanics are sellouts to Hispanic America, Neo-con poor whites are sellouts to poor white America, Neo-con women are sellouts to American women in general, and with the politics and antics of this administration of neo-cons, the Bush...
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Re: What is a Sellout?

sunnubian ·
________________________________________________ No, it has nothing to do with defining what a Black person should should think or do, but it has more to do with what a Black person should not do to hurt ALL or the majority of Black in the process of doing a particular thing. Just like Honestbrother's mention of a 'racial appeaser' would not fit the description of a sellout, but rather a description of basically merely an ass kisser, because being an ass kisser doesn't always or...
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Re: State of the Union: NPR WANTS YOUR VIEW

Nmaginate ·
ALL of the places named are IRRELEVANT!! All the more reason for people with some sense not to "project" or make such asinine comparisons. The question is about the US State of ITS Union. The only comparisons are those INTERNAL (that's a term you claim to like) to the US. Why are you going OUTSIDE of the US in your "focus"?? STILL GOT YOUR WOLF TICKETS!! I got neighbors, relatives, etc. that have been hurt by this "decline." I could give a damn whether it's attributed to Bush or not. The...
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Re: Zionism

Yemaya ·
Nope. Its the same argument as Manifest Destiny. And that also leaves open the greater question of if God loves everyone, then why are the Jews, so-called Jews, getting special treatment or hold a special place in God's eyes?? It seems like propaganda to get the Jews out of Europe and America.
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Re: Zionism

kresge ·
I think that this is minor component of the Zionist argument, at least as originally concieved. Many, perhaps most Zionist are secularists. Further, many ultra Orthodox Jews, though extremely religious, have been staunchly anti-Zionist. The real impetus for Zionism was WWII and the Holocaust and the feeling that the Jews needed a safe haven from future persecution. Palestine was one option, but there where many, including areas in South America. This mess is of recent vintage, the creation...
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