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Re: Reparations and Poor Whites

James Wesley Chester ·
No. Poverty of others is not a fiat of the administration, the management, of slavery. Reparations only gets complicated when issues than pay-for-work get put on the table. Reparations is about money, and the coercion of labor without pay. Th poverty of others, outside of slavery, was not a consequence of slavery. Many of our ancestors were killed because their enslavement was seen as denying them the opportunity to work. The Irish Riots in New York City in the mid-1800s was a consequence of...
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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
MBM: I am really flattered at the being the basis for so many of your posts. I figured that by now you could at least represent my position more correctly. Founding Premise: Some people reside inside of a system that organizes resources and creates wealth. Some people reside outside of such a system. The challenge is to CREATE a system that generates wealth and a high standard of living for the people that are of interest to you balancing this demand with other values that are important to...
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Re: Reparations and Poor Whites

MBM ·
Sorry, I didn't communicate the point well enough. It's not just that poverty exists, its that because America utilized slavery, it denied poor and working class whites the opportunity to feed their families, earn income, and build wealth. Absent slavery there still would have been an American economy. America would have had to pay the poor and working class folks here. If we can acknowledge a connectivity between the wrong committed to slaves and their descendents today, is it also not...
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Re: Sago Mine Explosion - Another Bushco Production?

Isome ·
... that would be very bad!! We mustn't talk about political appointments, policy trends and budget cuts that make a bad situation worse. Why that would be NOT putting individual instances into context... By the time the International Labor Organization's Convention 176 was signed: ... mining deaths dropped from 425 in 1970 to 85 in 2000 . And, for gawwd's sake don't click the links (even ones provided by the black-faced lackeys), because they provide that CONTEXT... and we wouldn't want that.
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Re: Reparations and Poor Whites

James Wesley Chester ·
My first reaction remains, 'No.' The Colonies never established a viable economy without slavery. The forced labor created by slavery enabled the creation and maintenance of the cash crops of the agrarian economy that sustained 'The Colonies'. You will recall the economy of The Colonies, from the early 1500s to early 1600s, was hunting and trapping. Furs of various kinds was the cash crop. Slavery enabled all of the European Colonies in the Western Hemisphere. All the 'poor 'whites' you pose...
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Re: Afrocentric versus Eurocentric

Fine ·
Yes. ------------------- Dusty Elbow: We "can" very well talk about Americas slavery and there is alot to talk about: Connecticut Military Law, 1784--forbade blacks from serving in military First Naturalization Law, 1790--congress declared US a white nation Federal Militia Law, 1792--only whites could enlists in peacetime militia Fugitive Slave Law, 1793--protected slaveholders rights, discouraged blacks from running away Virginia Migration Law, 1793--forbade free blacks from entering that...
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Re: Reparations for Native Americans?

Nmaginate ·
While it's clear you wanted those to be two related questions, one clarifying the other... it's clear those are two separate questions with two different answers. As you've had to concede, Native Americans have, to some extent (even in a woefully inadequate sense) "received" Reparations. Evenso, it's clear Native Americans haven't been adequately compensated. That goes without saying especially since I've already said it. As to whether a Reparations victory for African-Americans would aid...
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Re: Sago Mine Explosion - Another Bushco Production?

Isome ·
Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao, a woman of color , used the expected rightwing half-truth tactic to defend the administration's record on mine safety enforcement. She said that federal inspectors had "increased their inspections [at the Sago mine] by about 84 percent." That's only half true . Though inspectors increased their inspections at Sago, what Chao didn't say was that the inspections clearly documented the unsafe conditions at the mine: Nearly half of the 208 safety citations levied...
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Re: Bush Selects Alito for Supreme Court

Kweli4Real ·
Is anyone following the confirmation hearings? I was reading the GOP list of witnesses for Alito when I came upon this: I find it interesting that Kirsanow is a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights AND a partner in a law firm whose labor/employment law section [where he practiced] is widely known for its union-busting and aggressive, employee-hostile tactics.Kirsanow will be in the 5th panel and is a "discrimination is a thing of the past" civil rights
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Kevin41 ·
Affirmative Action: Who Benefits? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contents A Policy That Suffers an Identity Crisis Answers to Frequently Asked Questions About Affirmative Action Where Do We Go From Here? Bibliography -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Policy That Suffers an Identity Crisis Few social policy issues have served as a better gauge of racial and ethnic divisions among the American...
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Re: Question for Kresge?

Rowe ·
The following passages are excerpts taken from author Rosemary Radford Ruether's, Sexism and Godtalk: Toward A Feminist Theology . Woman, Body, and Nature: Sexism and the Theology of Creation 1) "The establishment of this relationship between male and female spheres depends not only on males as definers of culture but also on the burdening of women with most of the tedious, day-to-day tasks of economic production. Males become a leisure class with relatively little to do but decorate...
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
NOT another RONALD REAGAN KICKED OFF HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IN PHILADELPHIA MS claim. I have posted the TEXT AND VERSE OF HIS WORDS several times and asked anyone to detail for me the RACISM in his speech there. They all resort to the SYMBOLISM angle in which a visit to Philly MS is RACIST. I went to an Indian Gaming casino in that city. THERE ARE SEEMINGLY NOW MORE BLACKS LIVING IN THIS CITY THAN WHITE. Is it RACIST for me to go there? %%%%% DisHonestBrother: Black people have had a...
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Re: 4 Unpopular "TRUTHS"... by Project 2019

Nmaginate ·
Ask an intelligent question. I'll ask you a quick one: LATENT EFFECTS? What are you calling Latent Effects and the importance or reason why they will need to be "finally", completely dissolved is... WHAT? Consider this, then get back to me (right from the Project-2019 article): Black Americans must understand that racism existed in 1619, racism exists in 2001, and racism will exist in 2099. Therefore, the critical element is the degree to which racism affects the lives, the liberties, and...
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Re: Black Unity: Moving Beyond The RHETORIC

sunnubian ·
We would first HAVE to make a conscious decision to be Unified, we would then have to ACT ON THAT UNITY, politically, socially, and economically. One example (among millions) of making a decision to unify and acting on it would be, for example, for African Americans to attend historically Black colleges and universities across America, which would financially empower historically Black colleges and universities while educating masses of Black people in this country, establish a base of...
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Re: Kola Boof Speaks: Race & Beauty In America

Rowe ·
Sister Kola speaks volumes in her discussion about race and beauty in America. Her thorough discussion about the ways in which the White supremacist concept of whiteness has impacted people globally is reminiscent of the research done by Neely Fuller and Dr. Francis Welsing. I'm certain her analysis has been heavily influenced by Dr. Fuller's United Independent Compensatory Code. Thanks for sharing. Loved it! What is Beauty? Within a world dominated by White Supremacy it is vitally important...
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Re: What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

HonestBrother ·
(1) Is this taking into account another 100 years of Jim Crow? (2) It's controversial exactly what Lincoln and the Union troops were sacrificing for - i.e., was it to end slavery or was it to preserve the Union? And there were also non-altruistic reasons for white northerners to oppose slavery. For example, many white northern industrialists feared that if the south industrialized that it would have a tremendous competitive advantage due to access to a huge pool of free slave labor. (3) But...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

HonestBrother ·
Blue Collar vs. White Collar can be very misleading when it comes to salaries. Some so-called blue collar jobs can earn more than some white collar jobs. For example, a construction worker - especially a skilled one - can earn more than some desk jobs. I think the distinction is more about the nature of the work. Blue collar is manual labor. It's physical. So I'd call a landscaper blue collar definitely. But everyone knows that a white landscaper is worth more than a brother who works in a...
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Re: Executives' Pensions Are the Deal of a Lifetime

Kweli4Real ·
In another thread, CF cited to spouse abuse in Africa and eluded to oppression in some Arab states. He then asked for the Capitalistic equivalent. Well, CF, here ya go:
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Re: Hypothetically...Ofcourse

HeruStar ·
I mean to me it only makes since. For instance Vince Young, arguably the true heisman, was brilliant in the championship game. Brilliant in the fact that his 4th and 5 game winning touchdown sealed a multi-million dollar deal, and placed the coach on a pedastle. I don't argue that he should recieve any financial compensation, but I do feel that many like him shouldn't have to struggle through K-12 as much, and depend on their athletic ability to be accepted into good schools. God forbid...
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Re: Hypothetically...Ofcourse

HeruStar ·
Please don't let that article detract from the real issue. It's just some FYI stats. The real issue remains... Of the 56 bowl teams, Black athletes got them there. Check out March Madness, and you'll get a similar observation. The NCAA should be more supportive of the black community, seeing as how the black community is a significant source of revenue. The NAACP should be more concerned about the FREE LABOR as well.
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Re: I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free.

Nmaginate ·
Where were the stereotype(s) about White people there Frenchy? At least try to be honest with your attempted dismissals. ____
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Re: Larry Elder: blacks and republicans

Nmaginate ·
Elder is high, drunk, pimp-slapped, etc. because of the disconnect. He knows the rule. Politics is all about "What Have You Done For Me Lately." What the hell is he talking about the history? Like there is a BETTER WHITE MAN or something? Silly BASTARD!! Last time, at The Barbershop , this mf was thumbing his nose at history:Funny how he showed right awful disdain for history there and never even came close to casting that history in a positive light, let alone putting a hellified spin on...
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Re: For the Sistas of AA.org

HonestBrother ·
I love Coretta Scott King who was forever beautiful, gracious, and just as visionary as her famous husband: Martin Luther King , who was studying for his doctorate in theology at Boston University, had told a mutual friend he was looking for a wife. The friend gave him Coretta Scott's phone number but when he came calling she was not impressed. "I saw this green car coming up the street and this short man," she said in an interview. "He leaned over to open the door, and when I got in the car...
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Re: The Best Environment for the Development of Our Potential....

James Wesley Chester ·
But like Israel, we deserve a land and nation of our own.I dont think it should be done by force, but the option should be on the table.---ZAKAR We are unique among the people of the world. We are an amalgam forced together, without choice in a containment constructed on our labor. We cannot in turn impose ourselves, arguably 70MM strong, anywhere. Our best place is this place. We earned it. PEACE Jim Chester
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Re: New Black Conservative Website

ZAKAR ·
what these so called conservatives fail to mention as the world becomes more and more global, the margins between the rich and poor widens. The same racist companies that were national are no international, forcing the down the cost of labor because they can simply go to countries that favor business and stiffle human rights.how does this benifit black people,
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Re: New Black Conservative Website

Nmaginate ·
Ummm... GROWTH FIGURES in the same sectors. Manufacturing, etc. The thing here is the impact on workers; aka "the people." Understand, now?? How about now? QUESTION: How is there "pain" when there is no Net TANGIBLE Loss (i.e. something that can be felt or touched)? How can someone run the risk of being unemployed when NOTHING IS LOST?? Hmmm....
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Re: New Black Conservative Website

Noah The African ·
Toussaint. What you fail to consider is that everything is relative. Lets say that an area has a million residents and normative levels of population growth. Lets now say that there is little job growth, despite a growth in population. The net effect of that is that the economic health of the region is deteriorating, despite not losing any jobs, but because they are not gaining any jobs. This is why despite job growth under the Bush administration, his tenure is considered a poor performance...
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Re: New Black Conservative Website

Noah The African ·
Anytime there is a competition there is winners and losers. Capitalism is all about competition and thus produces winners and losers. The only way you cannot have winners and losers in competition is to have a DRAW or TIE. Thus, if entities are competing for capital investment an entity winning those investments means another entity losing those investments. Now, I am about to go over your head in that economics are bound by the physical laws of nature of this closed system we inhabit.
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Re: New Black Conservative Website

Noah The African ·
Toussaint, you seem to be a less intellectually worthy opponent than in the past, unless I am confusing you with someone else. First, do not put words in my mouth. I never made a pro or con argument in regards to free trade, my argument was against your denial of zero sums. The first thing that you need to note about Hong Kong is that it was a City-state, like Singapore. These small populations are easily turned around by direct foreign investment from large wealthy nations, pumping in...
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Re: New Black Conservative Website

Noah The African ·
Here is a real work example of zero sum Toussiant. Who can forget the neocons' claim that under their leadership America creates its own reality? Remember the neocons' Iraq reality--a "cakewalk" war? After three years of combat, thousands of casualties, and cost estimated at over $1 trillion, real reality must still compete with the White House spin machine. One might think that the Iraq experience would restore sober judgement to policymakers. Alas, neocon reality has spread everywhere. It...
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Re: New Black Conservative Website

toussaint ·
It really takes a true spin artist to take an unprecedented decrease in poverty and turn it into a bad thing. Unbelievable. It's sad that folks who sit here with all kinds of comforts are opposed to others striving for those same things. And suggesting that these folks would be better off with less choices... in a barter society? lol... now I remember why I got bored with this board a while back. Every rich nation started off poor like the nations I mentioned. They all had to develop and go...
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Re: Conservatism and African America

MBM ·
I've done so a variety of times. I don't think this post will come as a surprise to any who read.
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Re: Conservatism and African America

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
Yemaya: Please note - I am not a "conservative". The labels "liberal" and "conservative" are contextual. I prioritize the value of CULTURE in shaping the ideas of the people and go a long way to translate what are "common goals" in their minds into PHYSICAL REPRESENTATIONS. It is FOOLISH for anyone to support of oppose something simply because it is "liberal" or "conservative". I choose to use REAL WORLD EVIDENCE on the impact of various policies. I support policies that produce favorable...
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Re: Conservatism and African America

MBM ·
Here's my evidence. Where's yours?
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Re: Conservatism and African America

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
IF MBM DOES NOT GET THIS THEN THERE IS NO HOPE FOR HIM. MBM - Today we can look at the large population centers in the North - NYC, Philadelphia, Camden, Washington DC, Newark, Cleveland - the list goes on. All of them have a significant class of LABOR/EMPLOYEES who no doubt could be good, union employees. They would carefully invest their wages that the union provided them. They would be shop stewards in the mill and ensure that the mill did not practice slavery. They would make sure that...
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Re: Haitian elections concern students

Isome ·
In order to get the US and France to stop invading and waging war, Haiti paid reparations to France for the loss of slave labor. It took a century to pay the debt, but they did it. The current election outcome is being challenged by the sole white candidate who just HAPPENS to be someone who backed the GANG of 184 (the US armed & funded former TonTon Macoutes, FRAPH and Duvalier associates) who were the front men of the coup that ousted Aristide.
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Re: You Negroes Quit Whining, look how Oprah lives...which proves everything is fine

Nmaginate ·
It's the same rhetoric ignorant Black and White people (willed or innocently ignorant) use to try to deal with the Cognitive Dissonance or whatever the hell their malfunction is. Ummm... Excuse me Mr. Elders, but MLK never stopped "complaining about the poor conditions under which minorities lived." He's like the clueless and rationalizing Whites who didn't realize Dr. King had these types of things to say at those "inconvenient" and "impolite" moments: Elder needs to study King and give a...
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Re: What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

oddmodd ·
David Horowitz's is an idiot and anyone who adopts this ideology is an idiot. Black people of African decent are owe more money and restitution that America can afford. Every group from the Jews to Native Americans received some form of reparations for the devastating treament inflicted upon them by their attackers. African-Americans have never received a dime and up until the 1994 public apology by the Clinton Administration there has never a verbal condemnation on the part of the American...
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Re: People of Color' are All One? Latino Inmates in L.A. Don't Think So

Faheem ·
UppityNegress, while your argument is logical it does not address the complexities of Black men and women being against immigration illegal or otherwise. We do not have to be anti-illegal or legal immigration if one simple thing happens; the enforcing of the laws that are already on the books that says companies will be fined if found hiring men and women who are not citizens of this country. So if any position should be taken by black men and women it should be that one! Our problem is not...
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Re: People of Color' are All One? Latino Inmates in L.A. Don't Think So

Nmaginate ·
I don't think it should or even have to be about solidarity or any such thing. Instead of reflecting the degree of assimilation in us and misdirecting our unemployment angst against somebody else trying to get a job (just like some racist White folk), our energies and angst should properly be directed towards the companies circumventing labor laws to hire around us, etc., etc. (as Faheem has said). Doing that doesn't require that we make alliances with anyone. All it requires is for us to...
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Re: Is Andrew Young Selling Out to WalMart?

Pace Tua ·
This seems a little misleading since Young is Chairman of Goodworks and it is his consulting firm. I'm not sure if this is really anything new, as GoodWorks and Young have been accused of letting Nike off easy in it's report on Nike's Asian factories and labor practices. Critics of the report also claim that it was deceptive and that the report made claims of interviewing people who deny they were ever contacted. Young specifically was criticized for the methodology he used in his assessment...
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Re: Is Andrew Young Selling Out to WalMart?

Dissident ·
If any of this is true it would not surprise me. Not one bit.
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Re: Job banks, Rubber Rooms and Lazy ass people making 64k-100k a year... doing nothing

James Wesley Chester ·
I don't believe this 'rubber room', other such 'labor surge' pools are initiated by 'the company'. It is more likely these 'labor pools' are a consequence of a union demand. The Steel Industry did something similar to this in the 50s and 60s. AFL-CIO demanded that the steel industry provide jobs for their sons and daughters. In negotiation after negotiation, this demand was made. GIVE MY KID A JOB OR I WILL STRIKE!!!! So,...'the company' made a job for the kids. All workers with 'x' number...
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Re: Job banks, Rubber Rooms and Lazy ass people making 64k-100k a year... doing nothing

Faheem ·
The Jobs Bank has its origins in the tough times Detroit faced in the late 1970s and early 1980s. A spike in oil prices, a harsh recession and the first major assault from fuel-efficient Japanese cars hammered the Big Three and cost tens of thousands of union jobs. The UAW agreed to its first concessionary contracts in 1982 with the Big Three, which then made three out of every four vehicles sold in America. Battling the new competition, GM developed a plan to spend $24 billion improving...
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Re: Job banks, Rubber Rooms and Lazy ass people making 64k-100k a year... doing nothing

James Wesley Chester ·
Thanks for the article. I was not aware of Detroit's role. It appears the company made the first and then the union capatalized on their idea. ---Faheem I'm not sure whether your 'company' and 'union' reference are both within the auto industry, but I get your point. Both indutries were struggling in the 70s. Both were unwilling to make the investment needed to compete with foreign companies. Steel died as a mega-industry for labor. It probably has about one-tenth the employment of its...
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Re: State of Black America hosted by Tavis on CSPAN now..

Yemaya ·
Here's not so much an opposing view, but a different view on how the symposium went. I enjoyed the symposium for the fact that it even exists, but I can understand where the author of this article is coming from. Although we love our educated black folks and they have great ideas, the masses want some action. Why is Tavis Smiling? And Why are we watching? Every year, radio/tv commentator Tavis Smiley holds a forum that brings together "the best and the brightest" African-Americans from...
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Re: CARNIVAL IS THE ANCIENT 'AFRICAN-KHEMET NEW YEAR"

HeruStar ·
How so? I'm not Johnny Destiny, but I'd like to give a hypothetical. Let's say that the black man invented TRUTH. He shared it with his brethen, and they enjoyed the fruits of his labor. The Black man had no desire to profit from this invention, hence he has no desire to patent his invention. Along comes a white man, that covets this invention, that feels like this invention could be put to "better" use in a capitalist system. So he studies the blueprint, copies it, and patents it, and tells...
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Re: One Man Battling the Democratic Party

1milehi ·
http://adeebafolami.com/archives/2006/perryman2.html
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Re: National Black Peoples Unity Convention-March 9-12

kresge ·
JWC, That was my thinking as well. I did notice that this event has support from labor and trade unions, which I think is a good thing. I would also imagine that as a multi-day event, that there would be an opportunity for some sustained engagement and real strategizing. The story in Black Commentator states: The living, breathing fruit of the Civil Rights era, Black elected officials, have been summoned to attend in force: the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC), National Black Caucus of State...
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Re: National Black Peoples Unity Convention-March 9-12

James Wesley Chester ·
I did notice that this event has support from labor and trade unions, which I think is a good thing.---kresge I noticed too. We suffer from the same syndrome in labor, particularly the AFL-CIO as we do in politics. We staunchly endorse an organization that has historically marginalized non-Europeans to the point of exploitation. Oh, well.... Let's hope. Certainly opportunity is there. AGAIN!!!!! PEACE Jim Chester
 
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