Tagged With "Brainwashing By "The Church""

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Re: 2005--In Loving Memory Of....

Fine ·
Thx folobatuyi and HonestBrother. LOL--I have a revision: AITKEN, LAUREL/78 -- JAMAICAN SINGER BENNETT-SATTLER, JUDITH/54 -- ABUSE AGENCY LEADER BAIRD, HARRY/74 -- BRITISH ACTOR BAUGH, CECIL/96 -- JAMAICAN POTTER BENSON, RENALDO "OBIE"/69 -- MEMBER OF THE FOUR TOPS GROUP BENTLEY, LAMONT/31 -- ACTOR BERESFORD, RANDOLPH/91 -- BRITISH MAYOR OF HAMMERSMITH AND FULHAM BROWN JR., OSCAR/78 -- SINGER/SONWRITER/ACTOR/PLAYWRIGHT CAMPBELL, LITTLE MILTON/70 -- BLUES ARTIST CARGILLE, PETER/41 -- JAMAICAN...
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Re: Why do souls come to Earth?

Empty Purnata ·
Hmmm...that's probably due to Augustinian influence in Christian thought. Modern Christianity took Augustine's philosophy that the material world is something of a "curse", and that physical bodies are crass and disgusting. Many Christian basically view the body as little more than a prison for an idealized fluffy, wraith-like soul. That's why I find Tantric Buddhist philosophy on the soul so refreshing. It goes beyond this Cartesian Dualism of "body" and "soul", and it describes the body...
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Re: **Constantine: The Father of Christianity[With Just A Hint of Paganism!]??**

James Wesley Chester ·
A few years ago, I talked about St. Augustine as a part of a presentation celebrating Kwanzaa. I mentioned the African popes of the Catholic Church and St. Augustine noting that he was African, as was his mother. I didn't know she revered and called 'Mother Something'. A member of the audience was the head of a local agency and a 'biggie' in the lay membership if the a large Catholic congregation. He was pissed. When I finished he approached and wanted to know where did I get my information...
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Re: **Constantine: The Father of Christianity[With Just A Hint of Paganism!]??**

kresge ·
Most people forget how vital the Church was in Northern Africa, that Augustine, Clement, Cyprian, Tertullian, and Origen were Afrcian, that the anchorite/monastic tradition started in Africa with individuals such as Abba Moses.
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Re: Conservative Idiots

Isome ·
Speaking of living a closeted lifestyle, here's another idiot. This Christian fundamentalist with a sexual appetite for the same sex, has been a frequent opponent of homosexuality because it is sinful and destructive. It seems that Minister Lonnie Latham of South Tulsa Baptist Church in Oklahoma (you can see his photograph here on this snapshot of the church's website, since subsequent to his arrest it was removed form the main website )was caught soliciting an undercover police officer for...
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Re: **Constantine: The Father of Christianity[With Just A Hint of Paganism!]??**

Fine ·
Empty Purnata: I am aware of St. Augustine's African Ancestry and his wisdom/fame. How does this thread relate to the subject of Constantine and Eusebius...? Do you allude 'to the mindset' that St. Augustine gives the Church validity? I personally don't care how many black catholic christians were inspired by the 'lying lore of christianity'!!!
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Re: **Constantine: The Father of Christianity[With Just A Hint of Paganism!]??**

Fine ·
After the final destruction of Jerusalem and Judea by the Romans in 135 AD, the Jerusalem church was taken over by non-Jews. From this destruction, Eusebius says: "In this way the city was closed to the Jewish Race and suffered the total destruction of its former inhabitants, it was colonized by an alien race, and the Roman city which subsequently arose changed its name in honor of the emperor then reigning" (S., Acharya 37-8). The First Ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church was held in...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Kevin41 ·
* I'm not a politcal science professor dumbazz...I teach over 15 different courses in business admin, public admin and technology management.....can you read and comprehend? You tend to paint people with YOUR brush...you're not educated enough to do so. And if you want to place the onus on me in terms of behaviors, act like my students in my masters and doctorate programs and answer questions factually and non-rhetorically, provide factual support to your statements and learn the concepts...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Michael ·
"If KEVIN wants to act like an adult WHO IS A POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR WITH A DOCTORATE I am more than willing to deal." by CF * I'm not a political science professor dumbazz ...I teach over 15 different courses in business admin, public admin and technology management.....can you read and comprehend? You tend to paint people with YOUR brush...you're not educated enough to do so. . And if you want to place the onus on me in terms of behaviors, act like my students in my masters and...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Michael ·
"If KEVIN wants to act like an adult WHO IS A POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR WITH A DOCTORATE I am more than willing to deal." by CF * I'm not a political science professor dumbazz ...I teach over 15 different courses in business admin, public admin and technology management.....can you read and comprehend? You tend to paint people with YOUR brush...you're not educated enough to do so. . And if you want to place the onus on me in terms of behaviors, act like my students in my masters and...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Michael ·
"2. The infammatory nature of his posts is intended to distract from the content of the previous post that cannot rebut. Based on the hateful nature of his posts, an appropriate response would be emotional and inflammatory and therefore sucessfully take the discussion away from the points he cannot rebut or renders his statements moot. **What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Michael ·
"Nah Isome...those days of giving little mikey attention have fizzled down to nothing......what the hell...i made a decent effort up front to communicate so to hell with it......i read some of the old posts Ricardo chronicled and I was really too damn diplomatic in the first place...just takes a minute to figure it out when you trying to give a fool the benefit of the doubt. Remember when I said so in the thread about New Years resolutions? Well as you can see today is the 7th.....once I get...
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Re: Justice Dept. Probing Domestic Spying Leak

Guest ·
I think that this is such a relevant and interesting topic, I decided to bump it back up to the top of the discussion board. When I was in high school, I was fortunate enough to go to a presidential library and browse through the declassified files of that administration. I was incensed to discover that long before WWII so-called American citizens were being spied on and massive amounts of information was being documented an stored on non-violent organizations. Organizations such as the...
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Re: Tolerance of Intolerance?

HonestBrother ·
Kresge, that's a good question. I suppose the immediate context is Melesi's accusation that I don't give his posts a fair reading. But to be fair, it goes far beyond that. As a single non-Christian, who has just moved to a new town, living in the Bible belt, in a place where the first thing people ask you when they meet you is "Where do you go to church?", in a place where even in the online dating community the women all declare "You can't love me if you can't love Jesus", I frankly find...
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Re: Tolerance of Intolerance?

kresge ·
I am grieved to hear about your experience. I spent 12 years in academia as a college/university chaplain. Before my theological training, however, I obtained a B.S. in physics and mathematics, and an M.A. in physics. So I think that I might be able to relate to your situation from several positions. With respect to the AA community, I think that science and mathematics, little priority seems to be given to these disciplines. There seems to be much more of a connection with arts associated...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

Empty Purnata ·
Alright, here's the reality of the land: America was founded on Englightenment Principles (the ideas in our Constitution are borrowed from the French Constitution and inspired by Englightenment Age philosophy on liberty, freedom and justice). There is a radical Seperation of Church and State. Church cannot regulate religious beliefs as laws, and the State cannot regulate religious beliefs. This is mutally beneficial, it provides a safe, bias-free (in theory) system that does not make...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

Melesi ·
EP, Yes, John Locke and the idea of universal rights is very European, though they did not spring full-grown from the head of the French Revolution, especially that part of it that so quickly degenerated into the Reign of Terror and was well criticized by such as Edmund Burke, a supporter of much of the American philosophy. But this couldn't have arisen without the ground of the Christian faith. It's no wonder that the Magna Carta was forced on King John in England. It was a first step...
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Re: "If the KKK opposes gay marriage, I would ride with them."

humblelynn ·
I think that the Reverend has gone overboard with his sermon, and I hope that the congregation made him very much aware of it. The KKK was and is a vile group of individuals that left a legacy of blood shed, hatred, and destruction, and here is a Pastor that states that he'd ride along with them in order to express the same prejudices that we as a people fought so hard to overcome. It is offensive to think that four little black girls in a church and many others along the way lost their...
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Re: "If the KKK opposes gay marriage, I would ride with them."

Michael ·
"I think that the Reverend has gone overboard with his sermon, and I hope that the congregation made him very much aware of it . The KKK was and is a vile group of individuals that left a legacy of blood shed, hatred, and destruction, and here is a Pastor that states that he'd ride along with them in order to express the same prejudices that we as a people fought so hard to overcome. It is offensive to think that four little black girls in a church and many others along the way lost their...
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Re: Why do souls come to Earth?

Melesi ·
The "second death" is a phrase in the Revelation of John describing spiritual death and one's choice of and consignment to hell. It's not considered a good thing. The western Church for a long time took the Stoic/Neoplatonist idea that the flesh is "bad" and evil, but ever since the Reformation that has not been a serious concept. Now ansd then someone would revive the idea, but it never found much currency. When the Bible became cheap and readily available, the description of the world...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

Melesi ·
HB, Yes, the northern abolitionist movement included people who were not Christians, but that really is beside the point. Wiliam Wilberforce in England was a Christian who almost a hundred years before the American Civil War spearheaded the British abolitionist movement. Christians here were encouraged by his success and worked very hard to abolish slavery all through the country. It's what led to our Civil War, you'll remember. They worked with many who were not Christian, but they worked...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

HonestBrother ·
Weak...Reeeeeal weak I would think it had to do more with Enlightenment ideals and world events of the time. But if you say so...
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Re: Are You a Racist?

MidLifeMan ·
Prejudice is, as the name implies, the process of "pre-judging" something. It implies coming to a judgment on a subject before learning where the preponderance of evidence actually lies, or forming a judgment without direct experience. Racism refers to beliefs, practices, and institutions that discriminate against people based on their perceived or ascribed "race". Primarily, it refers to an assumption that the human species can meaningfully be divided into races, together with hostility to...
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Re: A Declaration of Unity and Vested Interest in America

James Wesley Chester ·
No, I didn't write it. But does kinda look like 'my stuff'. Right? Out of curiosity, and with it being the MLK Holiday, I thought I would post this piece without credits. This piece is the seminal resolution of the Free African Society Convention of 1817 held in Philadelphia at Bethel A.M.E. Church. The convention and its resulting resolution was in repudiation of the American Colonization Movement to deport African American-Americans. It is the seminal document to the foundation of African...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

James Wesley Chester ·
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."---King I like that. It should be on a wall someplace, or used in the opening of every African American church. After all, that is the place we be found in numbers on a frequent and regular basis. I have used 'invincible ignorance' for years as an unknowing substitute for 'conscious stupidity'. This strikes me as another way to say the controversial words, 'We are our own worst enemy.' We refuse to...
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Re: Expanding on MBMs Inquiry ...

kresge ·
MLK, Jr. On Monday, I listened again to his sermon in 1967 at the Riverside Church in NY when he comes out against the war in Vietnam. It is rhetorically, philosophically, and theologically masterful.
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Re: For the Sistas of AA.org

HonestBrother ·
I love Ruby Dee. Her talent and longevity. Her dignified beauty. Her eyes. And last but not least her lifelong devotion to Ossie Davis. Ruby: "How to ride the rough waves in a relation long enough for the waters to get calm? When does it sink in that overcoming difficult times gets easier with practice? How do you drag some of the good feelings, good times vibrations into the stormy places? To love someone long and deep is a "consummation devoutly to be wished"!... It is day by day, one step...
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Re: For the Sistas of AA.org

Black Viking ·
I love all of this. Wow, that's too powerful for words.
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Re: Al Sharpton Accuses Bush Of Fueling Homophobia Among Blacks

ricardomath ·
Black Church Summit 23 Dec 05 12:00 AM EST SCHEDULE OF EVENTS Sharpton and Flunder to Headline Black Church Summit on Gay Rights Focus on Homophobia and Exclusionary Divisiveness December 20, 2005 - Washington, DC - National Black Justice Coalition (NBJC) will convene a major discussion on lesbian and gay rights among black faith leaders. The two day Summit is to be hosted by First Iconium Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia and is scheduled for January 20-21, 2006. For a schedule of events,...
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Re: Al Sharpton Accuses Bush Of Fueling Homophobia Among Blacks

Empty Purnata ·
CON-FEED, THIS IS A FEDERAL ISSUE, NOT A RELIGIOUS ISSUE. RESPECT THE SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. LEAVE YOUR THEOLOGY AT THE DOOR.
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Re: Al Sharpton Accuses Bush Of Fueling Homophobia Among Blacks

Black Viking ·
Is that going to change if they get married? Is this number a reflection of tax breaks that married people get, and what other variables are there? I have a hard time believing that this income gap is actually caused by being a same-sex couple. The same Census shows white same-sex couples actually have more median income than white heterosexual couples. If this is true, then we deserve what we got. This is another great example of ideological manipulation . It's pretty easy to follow. It...
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Re: Al Sharpton Accuses Bush Of Fueling Homophobia Among Blacks

Guest ·
You are a GOD damnned FOOL. Al Sharpton stood in a PULPIT and made these comments. I WAS COMMENTING ABOU HIS COMMENTS. Where do YOU get this foolish statement from?
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Re: Al Sharpton Accuses Bush Of Fueling Homophobia Among Blacks

Empty Purnata ·
I'm not referring to him you goddamned idiot, I was referring to you. It matters not whether or not your religion or your interpretation of a holy book agrees with the concept of Gay Marriage. What matters is what the Constitution says. What about Seperation of Church and State? The First Amendment.
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Re: Al Sharpton Accuses Bush Of Fueling Homophobia Among Blacks

Huey ·
Just curious, but did MSNBC actually misspelled Niger Innis's name on purpose/or by accident, or is that Photoshop?
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

bigddouble ·
DING, DING, DING - We have another winner. I've expressed this in other threads. Everybody can't get the instant dream life (add perfect man/woman & stir ). Yes, it happens, but it's not the norm. Did anybody really read that Ruby Dee quote: To me, it's about knowing that things will never be perfect. It's about finding someone you're willing to love & argue with. It's about allowing yourself & your partner to evolve. It's not about picking a ready made package off the shelf.
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Re: Kanye West: Does Jesus Walk?

thechosen ·
I have not listened to Kaye West' music until late. Now, I am hearing the message in it all, its' good stuff. As far as him posing as Jesus, I have no problem with that at all. Jesus was a black man, and if he wants to pose as his distant ancestor that is his decision to make. Who is the Catholic church or anyone else to have an opinion? They are mad because people are getting away from the classic incorrect depiction of Jesus. I am more upset by seeing the "white Jesus." And by the way,...
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Re: Ray J Reveals Gang Past

Frenchy ·
I still have not stopped laughing at this tool and his faux gang past. He must think everyone forgot about his fire-breathing, take-no-prisoners mama, Sonya. There's no way he was living any kind of "party all the time" lifestyle. Unless it was a party down at the church house. Attention, Smoking Gun. Take a couple of people off the James Frey thing and put them on the Ray J story.
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Re: Executives' Pensions Are the Deal of a Lifetime

Kweli4Real ·
In another thread, CF cited to spouse abuse in Africa and eluded to oppression in some Arab states. He then asked for the Capitalistic equivalent. Well, CF, here ya go:
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Re: Pope: Embryo = "Full and complete human being"

jazzdog ·
Just how are you a "full and complete" human being when you are shapeless. Is that kinda a contradition in terms. His statement is just the type of statement I would expect the Pope to make, especially this one as the story about him was that he was the enforcer of church doctrine before he became Pope. I would disagree on the grounds that in his words "shapeless" hardly defines a complete human being. It defines a mass of cells still coming together but not a "full and complete" human being.
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Re: Pope: Embryo = "Full and complete human being"

kresge ·
It makes sense if your understanding of what it means to be a human being has little or nothing to do with the body. He is talking in terms of essences, not accidents. The essence, spirit, soul, etc. is fully and completely human, what ever the accidents (read body) is in form. I had never thought of this, but in some respects, this mirrors their understanding of the eucharist. When the words of consercration are said over the elements (wine and bread) they are transubstantiated. They become...
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Re: Life After Limbo

kresge ·
Which of God's words are they amending?
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Re: Pope: Embryo = "Full and complete human being"

kresge ·
I am not sure what my opinion is on the first question these days. I was simply trying to offer a context in which the Pope's statement was made. As to the latter comment, within the Christian tradition, only human beings have souls so the only souls are human. They are created by God, they are not parts of God. There is often a distinction made between soul and spirit. Spirit sometimes means simply the animating force. Thus, animals have spirits, but not souls. There are also lines of...
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Re: Pope: Embryo = "Full and complete human being"

Empty Purnata ·
What is funny is that this "Christian" thought is borrowed from Platonism. The idea that the soul is eternal and not a part of God is Platonic and not supported in the Bible (especially the Old Testament). According to Ezekiel "The soul that sins, dies"; in Genesis, it claims that the "soul" is actually the Breath of God which retuns to breath after death. This doesn't support the Christian notion of an Eternal Soul that becomes human at conception (that's almost like saying that life begins...
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Re: Life After Limbo

Melesi ·
But isn't this last response a contradiction to the original posting? You wrote: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It is evolutions like this one, which while supremely positive, give pause as to the "Godliness" of church doctrine...If not, then how is the church justified in amending God's word in this way - however popular or logical? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Which assumes that everything that the Catholic Church says it says as if coming from God. But that is not the case. There are...
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Re: Pope: Embryo = "Full and complete human being"

MidLifeMan ·
My opinion on this topic and the related issue of abortion is similar to how Thurgood Marshall looked at capital punishment. If we can not say that we will always be certain that ONLY the guilty are put to death, capital punishment has to great of a legal and moral risk – the death of the innocent. I've read from the "scientific" community various opinions on when a fetus is actual "alive" or a "complete human being". And I found that they are NOT in agreement. With that in mind, it is too...
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Re: Life After Limbo

MBM ·
Can you name an example of something (Catholic Church doctrine) that is inconsistent with the teachings of God?
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Re: Pope: Embryo = "Full and complete human being"

Black Viking ·
I respectfully disagree. The Theory of Relativity is a scientific theory based on substantive, quantifiable evidence, and Einstein was a specialist in his field. The Pope's opinion is just that, and opinion. It's a moral judgement based on his belief, dispite any evidence or lack there of. If the activities of the Catholic church are any indication, he is hardly a specialist on moral judgement. If his moral judgement is to trump anyone else's, surely it must be of greater standing. I don't...
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Re: Pope: Embryo = "Full and complete human being"

MBM ·
Respectfully, personally, I could care less about the Catholic Church as it relates to this issue. My interest in it and the pope are limited to the words that we're discussing. I am not attacking or even questioning Catholic dogma or personalities here. I just thought that the quote was provocative and wanted to hear what other folks thought about it. To clarify - we're talking about human beings. Although humans may have life before and after their Earthly experience, that's all we're...
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Re: Life After Limbo

Melesi ·
That seems rather beside the point. There are plenty of teachings that are not "inconsistent" with Scripture that are not in Scripture: the veneration of Mary, prayer to the saints, the infallibility of the Pope speaking "ex cathedra," the "filioque" clause of the Nicene Creed, are four examples. None of these are inconsistent with Scripture, but they are not found in Scripture and thus are not necessary to being a Christian. The Catholic Church holds them, and one can believe them without...
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Re: Pope: Embryo = "Full and complete human being"

MidLifeMan ·
My comments were more directed to what OTHERS said about the Catholic church...I didn't put you in that group to be honest. So we are limited to YOUR view of what makes a human? The question you asked was about the popes view about the embryo ...from your response I don't see how anyone can discuss this...I mean...we are talking about an embryo..which some have deemed shapeless and therefore not alive/human. Or maybe they say the "shapeless mass" that is not alive is human but dead? Are we...
 
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