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Re: My dad's barbershop -- and personal responsibility

Kevin41 ·
I wonder if CF is his son or little brother? I wonder if my spam alert disconnected the program that we thought was self-hater#1..I haven't seen a post od his...and do not get me wrong...I do not miss his azz........at all...... read this bullschit: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The (Blue) State Of The Union Address -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: February 2, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern...
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Re: Freedom vs. Responsibility

Nmaginate ·
Very good piece. Thanks, HB! I thought these things were significant:Like I said: STRANGE DEMOCRACY I don't know about that "weakest section" stuff but I think I get the "Not only are whites kicking us/them; they are telling us/them how to react to being kicked" point.
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Re: State of Black America hosted by Tavis on CSPAN now..

EbonyRose ·
OFF THE HOOK!!! I don't know how else to describe it!! Since I'm at a loss of words to do that, I'll address Yemaya's question! The only thing that wasn't shown on C-Span was the discussion with some of the economic panelists in kind of a question and answer session during lunch. I came in on the tail end of it as I went to eat lunch in my car and hurried back. But other than that C-SPAN stayed with us right to the end! It was a really small place and it was filled to capacity and they had...
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Re: State of Black America hosted by Tavis on CSPAN now..

Yemaya ·
EbonyRose, now that you've brought this up, it did have more participants than the one in Atlanta. Unfortunately for the people who had to speak after Min. Farrakhan, it did seem like the audience and the spirit left after he did. What I didn't like was that they were, except Harry Belafonte, disagreeing with him when he wasn't there to defend himself. Another thing that I did like was the fact that he did bring up the spiritual side of the issue, when the two other ministers on the panel...
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Re: State of Black America hosted by Tavis on CSPAN now..

EbonyRose ·
Yes, Yemaya, I thinking today how future forums might go if he were to invite less of the "core group" of panelists that are there ever year. I hope he takes that last young man's advice and let's the young Blood go first next year. That's a discussion that definitely needed to be expanded. But, there are the "usuals" that have headlined the show since the beginning pretty much. And I think Minister Farrakhan was a little "under the weather" today! As much as I love to hear him speak, I...
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Re: State of Black America hosted by Tavis on CSPAN now..

Khalliqa ·
Just a note.... It's Savior's Day in Chicago..... A BIG Holiday for those in the NOI.... Peace, Virtue
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Re: State of Black America hosted by Tavis on CSPAN now..

kresge ·
I don't have much to add to what ER has said. My wife and I were there for the last two sessions. I definitely think that the the "younger" folk did get the shaft with respect to time. Part of the problem was not only the amount of time taken up by the second group, but the delay in getting right to the panels after lunch, althought I think that it was important to have the survivors or "acheivers" of Hurricane Katrina share their stories as a frame for the discussion. With respect to...
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Re: State of Black America hosted by Tavis on CSPAN now..

Nmaginate ·
Well, I have to credit Tavis Smiley for both taking this Convenant "Movement" through the Black Church, given its historic role in our Community, while at the same time supporting a Black Institution. Complaints about the size of the venue, as they are, should take that into account. He could easily generate [extra] revenue for some "White" hotel by having the panels in a hotel ballroom or some "White" auditorium. I think the disrespect was mutual. Farrkhan not only "broke from the script"...
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

MBM ·
I think Belafonte misunderstood the point that Farrakhan was making about this. I think Belafonte thought Farrakhan was saying we should give up on America and stop voting or move out or some such consequence. Perhaps "Mr. B." felt Farrakhan was inferring some of the more "dramatic" courses of action that the Nation has supported in the past - armed insurrection, etc. Who knows? I think the minister meant that, as it is constructed now, our government and society are not going to be things...
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

Nmaginate ·
I agree. I think both Mr. B and Cornell West rushed to pigeon-hole Farrakhan's comments which, while I thought they were a bit out of place, I didn't see them as substantively that far from the core attitude behind the Convenant Movement. There's an overriding sense and emphasis on self-help in both. Cornell West definitely wanted to act like Farrakhan was talking about a "separatist" nation or something. Maybe I took that wrong but that seems like where he was trying to take it to. And I...
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

Nmaginate ·
Yeah, it really made for pretty twisted allegory. MLK was pretty adamant about RADICAL CHANGE. Whether he would have endorsed a "Fireman" Instinct/approach or not, he would have insisted perhaps to some degree like Farrakhan did on the Revolutionary principle of ALTER or ABOLISH. MLK would have had more profound and pronounced ideas about what to change with the system other than trying to maximize its potential utility for us, IMO.
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

Faheem ·
I did not hear all of Cornell's comments (had to do something real quick) but I came back on the part where he said governing ourselves is a "pipe dream". I will go back and review his whole comments in a minute, but I wanted to say this first in regards to what Minister Farrakhan said. Minister Farrakhan words were in tune with the Covenant but his words spoke to what the Covenant does not , and they contradicts Tavis Smiley position that fixing ourselves makes America better. So here is...
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

Nmaginate ·
Thank you... I'm trying to understand the Super-Negro thingy... Here it is, a whole symposium dedicated to how we can [better] "help ourselves" (because in some ways we aren't), but this Noble Negro Notion of Saving America, if not the world, becomes a counterpoint to suggestions that we "govern ourselves" - focus on administering directly to our needs and not relying on others to do so? You have got to be kidding me... At the very least, after Katrina, a FEMA like Ministry of Emergency...
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

Yemaya ·
This is point I was trying to make when I said that they disagreed with Min. Farrakhan after he left. You said it much better than I, Nmaginate. However, I can definitely see the point that Min. was trying to make. And he used the neglect, which no one in our community can deny, on the part of the government towards our people. Because I know I had several relatives affected by Katrina and Rita. He used the neglect of those storms to emphasize the need for us to have our own programs set up...
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

kresge ·
The Super Negro thing is a form of exceptionalism, that goes back centuries. It is similar to the exceptionalism often found among cultural or political black nationalist. While the later group often asserts that black folk are different, unique, or distinct culturally, socially, historically, or even biologically and thus need a "nation" of our own, the former understands black uniqueness as as somehow salvific for the world. Even before it appears in King, it is present in black culture...
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

kresge ·
You did not miss it, because it was not raised. This was the substance of the question on my index card that I handed in. Democrat and Republican do not constitute the political spectrum. There was no question about the viability of third parties, even on the local or state level. I think that is a serious oversight. I am not even saying that it has to be a so-called African American party, but there I think it behooves black folk to "think outside of the box" in this respect. This was also...
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

Nmaginate ·
It has nothing to do with a lack of hope. It is a different orientation though. It's one that draws on a logical conclusion collected from a realistic acknowledgement of the history heretofore. And that orientation, though it expresses some of that same resentment, is still directed or come froms a very different place. But you've expressed why the Convenant as a political instrument, in and of itself, is somewhat of a Pipe Dream. Farrakhan's sentiment, however, comes from a self-help...
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

kresge ·
Agreed. I conflated several things in that statement that do not necessarily follow.
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Re: State of Black America hosted by Tavis on CSPAN now..

Nmaginate ·
No disagreement. The two can and should co-exist "peacefully" - i.e. in harmony and in conjunction. The problem though (and this may be pretty biased, coming from my Nationalist perspective)... none of those "Assimilationists" were talking about any essential changes that they wanted or demanded from the system. Name one change Cornell or Tavis demanded. If that were so, then there was plenty of room for common ground. Farrakhan referenced Thomas Jefferson's idea of Revolution where it is...
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Re: State of Black America hosted by Tavis on CSPAN now..

kresge ·
Cornel has definitely mollified his orientation over the last decade. There have actually been a number of books noting this. The West of Prophesy Deliverance who argued for a radical restructuring of society along progressive socialist lines is certainly no more. He is certainly more of an accomodationists (I am hesitant to classify him as an assimilationists. I reserve tha label for Uncle Clarence Thomas and Auntie Condi Rice). The irony is that West has fallen into the same trap that he...
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Re: The Left Hand of God

Melesi ·
A pity that you don't remember that we killed Malcolm X ourselves. What color was Talmadge Hayer? Malcolm had said that the Nation of Islam was out to kill him, and perhaps you saw the documentary on his life, "Brother Minister"? It included a secret recording of Louis Farrakhan saying that if they, the NOI, killed Malcolm, that wasn't anybody elese's business. So you're saying that Malcolm died for us even though we did the killing? You're substituting one Savior for another while...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

bigddouble ·
Agreed HB - People, please defend your position without setting up strawman arguments. What is wrong with HB's statements. How did NOI, UNOI, and the Five Percent Nation come to be? Disagreement in the methodology of acheiving a common goal. Unless you consider one or more of the following: Minister Farrakhan, Solomon (Royall), AND Clarence 13X (RIP) to be wrong, why challenge HonestBrother for having a different take? The concepts of service, unity, & protection may be used by a social...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

Kai ·
The idea here is that these groups promote service, unity and protection, and therefore should be applauded, not mocked. if you do not believe in the doctrine, fine, however, there is no wrong in respecting the good which has come from these groups. Honest Brother seems to promote the idea that we as the children of slavery should reject organization since being united and organized would mean being controlled in some way. If I can serve alone, can I not serve with 100 others of like mind?
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Re: State of Black America hosted by Tavis on CSPAN now..

Yemaya ·
Here's not so much an opposing view, but a different view on how the symposium went. I enjoyed the symposium for the fact that it even exists, but I can understand where the author of this article is coming from. Although we love our educated black folks and they have great ideas, the masses want some action. Why is Tavis Smiling? And Why are we watching? Every year, radio/tv commentator Tavis Smiley holds a forum that brings together "the best and the brightest" African-Americans from...
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Re: Leaders or Followers?

Kai ·
Peace.... I find it interesting that people have raised he named Barack Obama, and TD Jakes as leaders when they have led nothing, yet no one has raised the name Louis Farrakhan who has demonstrated great leadership for the entire black community for the last 20 years. I think this is another reason why we will always have a hard time finding good leadership, we always fail to acknowledge the good of people who are not backed by the media machine. Perhaps we haven't figured ut yet that the...
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Re: Conspiracy, COINTELPRO & Malachi York

Kai ·
Peace... I am not familiar enough with the Dr. York case to say whether or not his trial was fair. However, I do understand that quite often in the history of this nation, the courts are given "under the table" amicus curiae briefs which help the form it's disposition against groups of blacks seeking to declare independence, or the objective to seperate from this country. I am not surprised to see the Nuwabian leader attacked, and removed like he was..Despite what those who have formed...
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Re: Conspiracy, COINTELPRO & Malachi York

1milehi ·
thanks kai. ---------------------------------- the following article appeared in the 03-23 denver weekly news:
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Re: Are You Afraid To Die?

Khalliqa ·
Right now? Yes..... I would be leaving a life unfulfilled..... Eventually..... I probably will not be afraid... Minister Farrakhan said once.... "I'll die when I ain't got nothing better to do..." I like the thought of having my own life in my hands...... and if I am struck down before I am ready... so be it..... But, God willing.... if I am allowed more time here to exercise my will and creativity..... I will live life to the fullest..... *Just as soon as I get up enough nerve* lol Peace, ...
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Re: shag, marry, push off a cliff...

Frenchy ·
Shag - Wentworth Miller Marry - Vin Diesel Push off a cliff - Will Smith Kiss (no tongue!) - Michael Beach Next choices: Shag, Marry or Push off a cliff... Louis Farrakhan Tiki Barber Bill Gates
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Re: shag, marry, push off a cliff...

Khalliqa ·
Not changing the rules, tru...... accomodating for those of us who would like to play and participate but keep our values.... This game was played on another all female site..... and the words were something like.... f**k, date, marry, kill..... to allow the Muslims to play..... whenever one of us would post we simply tweaked the words a bit.... so we were comfortable.... it was no big deal for any one and the game was played for a long time..... it was fun for everyone..... I'm not trying...
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Re: Illegal Immigration

MBM ·
Re: Illegal Immigration
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Re: Black Folks: It is Time to Lay Down the Mantle

MBM ·
Well, I have much to learn from you who is SO open minded and recptive of other views. I can really see how you've grown and evolved on this issue! The first paragraph and the second are wholly inconsistent. One cannot credibly hold both positions, IMHO. If you acknowledge that exploitation occurs, then also talking about "subverting" this and "illegal" that makes little sense. That is language that the very same oppressor/exploiter has disseminated to spin the issue in their favor. Second,...
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Re: Nation of Islam-KKK Konnection: fact or fiction?

blaqfist ·
Malcolm does talk about this in the autobiography. The NOI has it's place, but farrakhan does his share of grand standing.
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Re: Black Women vs. White women:SHOSHANNA JOHNSON VS. JESSICA LYNCH!

Prophetessofrage ·
The Price of Slavery Several high-profile lawsuits filed recently in this country are seeking redress for slavery and other racial wrongs, focusing national attention on the re-emerging question of reparations. Climenko professor of law Charles Ogletree Jr. leads a team suing Tulsa, Oklahoma, for the racial violence of 1921 that killed 300 and destroyed the African-American community of Greenwood. And lawyers who won multibillion-dollar awards from European companies for Holocaust victims...
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Re: White so-called 'Christianity' is responsible for unleashing demonism

Prophetessofrage ·
Hating in the Name of God By Benjamin Radford "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -Pascal In the past few years there have been many high-profile criminals who share more than just notoriety and a penchant for racism and violence; they share a common religion. Buford Furrow Jr. shot at a Jewish community center in Los Angeles on August 11, 1999, wounding five people. He later killed Joseph Ileto, a Filipino-American, before he was...
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Re: I love the men of the Nation of Islam

Prophetessofrage ·
Persecution follows Revelation By Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan [Editor's note: The following text is excerpted from a March 25, 2001 speech delivered by Minister Louis Farrakhan at Mosque Maryam in Chicago, Illinois.] In The Name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful. In order to be successful in establishing truth, we have to be imbued with the spirit of Allah (God). Otherwise, the persecution that follows revelation will prove to be too much and we will give up the truth to seek...
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Re: WHY ARE BLACK WOMEN SCARING OFF BLACK MEN?

Huey ·
Huey, baby, I have this sneaky suspicion (call it woman's intuition) that you just skimmed over my response(s). I know I can be long-winded but in order for you to correctly argue me shouldn't you interpret my comments in the proper context? First, I could've sworn I said "if men..." Secondly, "Laura and Myra had the same social staus?" I haven't recently been watching the re-runs but I couldv'e sworn Myra attended a private school for teenage prodigies. [QUOTE] -->The bottom line is that...
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Re: WHY ARE BLACK WOMEN SCARING OFF BLACK MEN?

LilFoxyBrwnIntellectual ·
Huey, baby, I have this sneaky suspicion (call it woman's intuition) that you just skimmed over my response(s). I know I can be long-winded but in order for you to correctly argue me shouldn't you interpret my comments in the proper context? First, I could've sworn I said "if men..." Secondly, "Laura and Myra had the same social staus?" I haven't recently been watching the re-runs but I couldv'e sworn Myra attended a private school for teenage prodigies. Anyway Huey, baby, I don't get your...
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Re: White racist government officials using Black's tax dollars to 'curse' Blacks!

Melesi ·
Jazzdog is right. This is a case of law, not of public relations. Nevertheless, MJ is not on trial for breaking a cultural rule of public relations but for child abuse. Whether he is guilty remains to be seen. POR, while accusing the (tired refrain of) "white demons" (lessee, doesn't Louis Farrakhan call them "white devils"? Then POR parrots his line), of already condemning him, for her part already judges him innocent before the trial, and apparently for racial reasons also. Therefore,...
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Re: Origin of the bible

Melesi ·
Why? Because it's true, and there are plenty of people who are trying to get us to beleive what isn't true. It doesn't matter if the person is a white or a black, if he's trying to gt us to believe a lie, then he's no better than a KKK racist. That's what they did. That's what Darkwa, Cressing, Farrakhan and their ilk are doing. If we rely on lies for our place and our pride, we are a ptiful laughing-stock and not a proud people. A proud, secure people doesn't need lies. They rely on the...
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Re: When will I ever learn

Nmaginate ·
That's all the more reason why Whites should never complain about Black people... They should be glad that they don't have a Nat Turner around every corner. It's amazing that they can even fix their mouths to be upset with Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson or Farrakhan, etc. I definitely understand the feeling... don't know if those are my exact thoughts... but I do know that viewing those types of pictures wouldn't make for a *healthy* "multi-cultural" event!
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Re: Farrakhan says: Give Blacks justice or face God's full judgment

Noah The African ·
I find myself to be in total agreement. When he speaks of the laws of the Universe, which are the foundation of truth and reality, I know that his rhetoric is not demagoguery, but wisdom born from truth. The law of the universe is that every action produces an opposite reaction. Thus, in order to get something must give. This is corroborated in scripture, as Farrakhan pointed out. One shall reap what they have sown (equal and opposite reaction). One who lives by the sword shall die by the...
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Re: Farrakhan says: Give Blacks justice or face God's full judgment

DeltaJ ·
So, perhaps our current situation was simply a 'reaction' that was caused by an action that we set in motion prior to that, when WE were all so great. Perhaps we are now PAYING for something done long ago in a time that predates history. All of this is just as relevant as pretending we are owed something. You see, if you wish to pretend the 'egg and chicken' story of the universe is going to help anyone, you are sadly mistaken. Humans are created from elements of the Universe Yes, quite...
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Re: Farrakhan says: Give Blacks justice or face God's full judgment

Yssys (Guest) ·
I agree with Min. Farrakhan, however, this is not a new message. Malcolm X made similar statements over 40 years ago. It was prophesized by him and if you listen to what he says in his most famous speeches he gives the warning over and over again that White America particularly, is doomed. I think that what hit home for me was when a tape was released of Osama Bin Laden saying that he was after the white man. I thought to myself, white folks are in trouble and thank God I'm black! Now white...
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Re: Ten things you cant say in America by Larry Elder.

Yssys (Guest) ·
Vox, I grew up on "Open Line", Min. Louis Farrakhan and Rev. Calvin Butts and southern food. Just to frame how long that show has been on air, I am in my 30's and I began to listen about in Jr. High School. I could not wait to get up in the morning to listen before I had to go to church on Sundays. It's a very good show and now other radio stations in NY have followed suit. WBAI is another radio station in New York that is black oriented. They are also on the web. Yssys
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Re: Why Should We Just "Get Over It"?

MBM ·
The Case Against Reparations Sometimes a bad idea is so pregnant with mischief that it compels our attention. One such idea is now propelling a movement to secure reparations for American slavery. The seeming simplicity of this plea is truly seductive. In skeletal form the argument looks like this: Once upon a time some white people enslaved some black people; the institution of American slavery robbed "the black community" of its inheritance; the long years of servitude produced enduring...
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Re: ADL calls on Russell Simmons to denounce Farakhan.

Vox ·
Here's something useful: The correct spelling is "Farrakhan." Other than that, let's establish the usefulness of the thread first. I raised a valid point.
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Re: ADL calls on Russell Simmons to denounce Farakhan.

AudioGuy ·
LOL - you are a funny guy Vox.
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Re: ADL calls on Russell Simmons to denounce Farakhan.

Vox ·
Awww, there goes Audio Guy setting a good example again. Next time though, Mav, you should try to repress the urge to caution us negroes on proper behavior. Meanwhile, I'll add that Louis Farrakhan, although I'm no huge follower of him, definitely was misrepresented on those quotes. He never called Judaism a dirty religion. First off, the ORIGINAL misquote was that he said "GUTTER religion," but then they changed it to "dirty," since he actually used the word "dirty" in the speech in...
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Re: ADL calls on Russell Simmons to denounce Farakhan.

Nmaginate ·
Well, I've put MAV on notice more than once for coming here on some BULLSHIT! Put me down with AG. Now, MAVERICK... Any thoughts on why you keep coming here on some BULLSHIT? And you sure seem to be obsessed with Farrakhan & the NOI. What is that all about? (i.e. DIRECT QUESTION deserves a DIRECT ANSWER) If you want a forum where NOI members frequent I can give you a link. For the life of me, I keep forgetting how so many of them come here...
 
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