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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
MBM: I am really flattered at the being the basis for so many of your posts. I figured that by now you could at least represent my position more correctly. Founding Premise: Some people reside inside of a system that organizes resources and creates wealth. Some people reside outside of such a system. The challenge is to CREATE a system that generates wealth and a high standard of living for the people that are of interest to you balancing this demand with other values that are important to...
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Re: What Are Women Really Attracted To?

Ms_secondhalf ·
Look at porn and prostitution? I'd say that supply follow demand. If men didn't look at women as if their sexual organs were made out of gold, women wouldn't have anything to 'sell', now would they?
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Michael ·
So much for Affirmative Action, and like minded progressives and any benefit they bring to the Black community. There are definitely more pressing issues and concerns, based on credibility and not the fiction, and fallacies of any Kevin41, Empty Purnata, etc., etc..... ...such activity would not be considered B.S. by those victimized by this activity. More likely those who make excuses for our own inept Black elected leadership, those who change the subject matter to compare the senseless...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

Melesi ·
The problem isn't that he doesn't say it. The problem is that he doesn't say it in the way you want him to. Paul lived 2000 years ago in an entirely different culture and had as his objective the survival of believers in Christ. You cannot demand that he speak as a twenty-first century American (or even as a nineteenth-century Northerner). That's quite an imposition of your beliefs on someone who cannot defend or explain himself.
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

Melesi ·
Well, that's interesting: You wrote, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I don't believe it should or shouldn't talk any way in particular. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ But that's been your whole argument: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Let's put it this way: St. Paul didn't have problems strongly condemning a lot of other things. NOW DID HE? What in the Bible forbids the owning of slaves? He could command if only he wanted But he NEVER says it anywhere ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ You demand...
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

HonestBrother ·
I don't believe in the American Dream. I'm with Umbra in that my goal personally is to achieve economic stability. This is * achievable * . The American Dream - to the extent that 'equality' requires acceptance - is not. Any kind of leverage will only come from $$$-power . We can demonstrate how moral, how intellectually brilliant, trustworthy, and capable we are until we're blue in the face. Hardcore whitey will still demand more proof. So that by no means should be the goal.
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

James Wesley Chester ·
I can live with K41's reply i.e. equal reward for equal effort. I know what the 'end of the rainbow' is, but my ultimate expectation of America is societal parity. Not equality, but parity. And we have the key to that, not European-Americans. It appears we will be a long, long time achieving 'equal reward for equal effort'. We will not even demand equal treatment under the law. What can we expect??? That is more on point. PEACE Jim Chester
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

Nmaginate ·
NO! It is exactly that unbalance relationship that leads to a stalled, halted or forsaken "dialogue." Arguably, people could say Dr. King and Pres. Lydon Johnson started a "dialogue." For sure, a number of common folk or community leaders, mostly educators and religious leaders have had "dialogues." But hardly any thing that can be regarded as a serious "dialogue" where it counts, in the halls of power. As for Clinton's deal, you can research and look for opinions about that "conversation".
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

James Wesley Chester ·
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."---King I like that. It should be on a wall someplace, or used in the opening of every African American church. After all, that is the place we be found in numbers on a frequent and regular basis. I have used 'invincible ignorance' for years as an unknowing substitute for 'conscious stupidity'. This strikes me as another way to say the controversial words, 'We are our own worst enemy.' We refuse to...
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Re: A Narrow View of Black Women

TruEssence ·
"Whether she prefers bluegrass, punk, or rap, each woman can demand that her voice and body not be appropriated as a commodity, whether in a Nelly video or a Wal-Mart uniform. " That statement is so true!
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Re: Executives' Pensions Are the Deal of a Lifetime

Kweli4Real ·
In another thread, CF cited to spouse abuse in Africa and eluded to oppression in some Arab states. He then asked for the Capitalistic equivalent. Well, CF, here ya go:
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Re: Ford, black leaders at odds over Alito

James Wesley Chester ·
Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau, was less understanding. "It is surprising to us that Harold Ford, who has had such a distinguished record on civil rights, would not get in line." He added: "It is deeply concerning to us that he would take a stance like that that is so important to the African-American community and to other communities of color."---article Shelton, the director of the NAACP's Washington bureau, said that the Democratic congressman could make a...
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Re: Life After Limbo

Melesi ·
That seems rather beside the point. There are plenty of teachings that are not "inconsistent" with Scripture that are not in Scripture: the veneration of Mary, prayer to the saints, the infallibility of the Pope speaking "ex cathedra," the "filioque" clause of the Nicene Creed, are four examples. None of these are inconsistent with Scripture, but they are not found in Scripture and thus are not necessary to being a Christian. The Catholic Church holds them, and one can believe them without...
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Re: Inner City Conservative Journal Espouses The Continuance of Historically Black Colleg

James Wesley Chester ·
I was doing other things and this thread came to mind with a recurring thought. I was about to start a new thread entitled 'Registry'. Sooner or later the need will come for a registry of the descendants, wholly or in part, of America' chattel slavery. It is inevitable. The diversity of America has now grown to the point that every 'African' face you see in not that of a descendant of slavery. That probably was always true. But no one cared, including us, because the difference of ethnicity...
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Re: Copying one of the white man hopes end in failure in Africa

Dusty Elbow ·
US may press Africa on GMOs By Shapi Shacinda Wed Feb 8, 10:35 AM ET The U.S. may push Africa to accept gene-altered (GMO) food now that the World Trade Organization (WTO) has ruled the EU broke rules by barring GMO foods and seeds, but Africans vowed on Wednesday to resist. "We do not want GM (genetically modified) foods and our hope is that all of us can continue to produce non-GM foods," Zambian Agriculture Minister Mundia Sikatana told Reuters in Lusaka. "The decision by the WTO does...
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Re: Another Danish? Noah's "I wonder what?"

UppityNegress ·
I suppose that argument would have some merit in Palestine, but that situation isn't comparable to what is happening in northern Europe. Muslims in Scandinavia especially are far from ocupied--hell, they willingly migrated there to escape the poverty and extremism of their own countries! Having lived in the area for a brief period, I can say that while there is racism (or perhaps more accurately, culturism) in places like Denmark and Sweden, the Muslims there are segregated from mainstream...
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Re: RU486

Frenchy ·
I remember there being a big outcry about RU486 here. The perception is that you just pop a pill and that's that, which is far from the truth . I believe you can get the RU486 combination from any doctor who can establish how far along you are and treat you if something goes wrong, which is pretty dodgy. I don't think the demand for it is very strong here. I think surgical abortions are much safer and much more reliable and less stressful/traumatic on the woman.
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Re: The Spiritual Problem With Modernist Art

FireFly ·
Great that you posted these musings Melesi. I don't have common reference points with you as far as a diet of Arthur Miller or Jose Ortega y Gassett, so my response is more intuitive, being someone who does draw and paint. And therefore subjective, which all discussion of art ultimately is. I'd like to know your own personal thoughts and interactions on/with modern art though, references aside. First off, every artist is an individual. They may be popularist, obscure, political, commercial,...
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Re: The Spiritual Problem With Modernist Art

Empty Purnata ·
I think Melesi is approaching the advanced stages of Fundamentalism. Sirens are blaring in my head after reading this thread. He sounds like how I used to sound 2 1/2 years ago when I was a Fundamentalist. Everything modern, postmodern or intellectual is some sort of stealthy, pernicious attack on Christianity. Everything is some subliminal plot by the "intellectual elites" to deceive the masses. This especially caught my eye: Sounds like he's saying that Modern Art is a plot to set up a New...
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Re: New Black Conservative Website

Noah The African ·
Toussaint. What you fail to consider is that everything is relative. Lets say that an area has a million residents and normative levels of population growth. Lets now say that there is little job growth, despite a growth in population. The net effect of that is that the economic health of the region is deteriorating, despite not losing any jobs, but because they are not gaining any jobs. This is why despite job growth under the Bush administration, his tenure is considered a poor performance...
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Re: College "Education" Is BS

Rowe ·
Welcome To Reality Point well taken. When I was an undergraduate, I too entered college expecting to be surrounded by power intellectuals. After watching episodes of Bill Cosby's TV show series, It's A Different World as a kid, I imagined college consisted of people just sitting around having "deep" discussions that were always meaningful and relevant to the lives of Black people. After my first year as a freshman, however, I soon realized that these discussions were to be taken place...
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Re: our love of diamonds..

umbrarchist ·
Frontline did a documentary on PBS about the diamond trade in 1994. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/programs/transcripts/1209.html The bottom line is the whole diamond business is built on psychological delusion. DIAMONDS ARE NOT RARE! Before the European invasion of Africa the palefaces got their diamonds from India. The discovery of the huge supply of diamonds in Africa could have, and should have, collapsed the price of diamonds. But the people controlling the supply wouldn't want...
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Re: New Black Conservative Website

Noah The African ·
Here is a real work example of zero sum Toussiant. Who can forget the neocons' claim that under their leadership America creates its own reality? Remember the neocons' Iraq reality--a "cakewalk" war? After three years of combat, thousands of casualties, and cost estimated at over $1 trillion, real reality must still compete with the White House spin machine. One might think that the Iraq experience would restore sober judgement to policymakers. Alas, neocon reality has spread everywhere. It...
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Re: New Black Conservative Website

toussaint ·
It really takes a true spin artist to take an unprecedented decrease in poverty and turn it into a bad thing. Unbelievable. It's sad that folks who sit here with all kinds of comforts are opposed to others striving for those same things. And suggesting that these folks would be better off with less choices... in a barter society? lol... now I remember why I got bored with this board a while back. Every rich nation started off poor like the nations I mentioned. They all had to develop and go...
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Re: The Spiritual Problem With Modernist Art

FireFly ·
ok Herustar... I'm not sure if this is agreement, your call, I would agree that SOME art is INFLUENTIAL. Not all art is. Is that close enough ? And defining the influence it has is very slippery ground. Influnece of ... style, substance, colour, by imitation, technique, and to what degree....etc. OK... here's what I've come up with so far... feel free to add, argue, comment. It's by no means definitive, and I'll probably add on to it. Role of the Artist: - to question themselves, society or...
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Re: What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

BanjiGirl ·
First of all white people did NOT end slavery as an act of benevolence. They ended slavery when it was no longer profitable for them. By the 1830s plantation slavery was no longer profitable for slave masters. The new form of slavery "colonialism" was the new avenue of wealth. Mother England led the colonialization process. In other words enslave the "black bastards" in their native lands instead of spending good money to ship them to America to work impoverished plantations. Let them...
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Re: What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

nayo ·
"""Once slavery "ended" and the slaves were let go, America, Brazil, the Carribbean and Latin America were finished with us. We were let go not "freed". Now it was time to ship in the white Europeans and now the Asians and Hispanics to enjoy this wealth. Black folks can all go to hell! Now to show you how twisted is the thinking of Europeans, if a pet owner was to abandon his pet on the freeway or be found not providing food or water for said pet his irresponsible ass would go to jail or pay...
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Re: Discribe posters as a Drink

FireFly ·
bubbly msprettygirl : New Orleans Fizz Also known as a Ramos Fizz. Created in the late 1800's by Henry C. Ramos in New Orleans. This drink became so popular that by the 1915 Mardi Gras celebration Ramos' 35 "shaker boys" could not keep up with demand. INGREDIENTS: 1 1/2 oz gin 1/2 oz lime juice 1/2 oz lemon juice 1/2 oz powdered sugar 1/4 oz cream 1 egg white 3-4 dashes fleurs d'orange (orange flower water) 1/4 oz club soda PREPARATION: Place all of the ingredients into a shaker with ice...
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Re: Why Isn't There a White History Month?

ricardomath ·
I was gonna wait 'till the end of the month before reposting this, but what the hell... Back by popular demand... White History Year Resumes WASHINGTON, DC"”With Black History Month over, U.S. citizens are putting aside thoughts of Harriet Tubman and George Washington Carver to resume the traditional observation of White History Year. Above: A stamp honoring European-American aviation pioneer Charles Lindbergh is unveiled as part of White History Year celebrations. White History Year, which...
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Re: People of Color' are All One? Latino Inmates in L.A. Don't Think So

UppityNegress ·
Faheem, I understand what you mean about how being angry at the illegals won't actually solve the poblem of the American corporations who keep hiring them. My anger isn't directed at their success or even their being here so much as the attitudes and behaviors they exhibit while here. Realistically, if I lived in a country full of poverty and corruption, and I had an opportunity to sneak into another country where I'd have a better standard of living and be able to send money home to support...
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

Nmaginate ·
It has nothing to do with a lack of hope. It is a different orientation though. It's one that draws on a logical conclusion collected from a realistic acknowledgement of the history heretofore. And that orientation, though it expresses some of that same resentment, is still directed or come froms a very different place. But you've expressed why the Convenant as a political instrument, in and of itself, is somewhat of a Pipe Dream. Farrakhan's sentiment, however, comes from a self-help...
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Re: The Left Hand of God

Melesi ·
You're not thinking. "I" didn't do any of this, do not want any of this, don't agree with it when it is tried, so you are not talking about me no matter how much you want to pretend you are. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ What the hell do you call prayer in school? ++++++++++++++++++++++++ How does this apply to the topic? The first public school in America was Christian, in Boston. It was run, as most things were, by the Brethren, who, though not exactly right-wing, were nonetheless oppressive.
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Re: People of Color' are All One? Latino Inmates in L.A. Don't Think So

UppityNegress ·
Yes, part of my problem is with people who make such concessions--and we as Blacks are those people! We make the concession every time we quietly pull our children from schools that turned from English language to Spanish overnight, instead of demanding that our children be given adequate education in the dominate language of the country. We make a concession every time we leave a neighborhood that is quickly deteriorating in cleanliness, value, and safety instead of calling the proper...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

Kai ·
We should all wish for systems of control. It is not control which is the problem, it is control which runs contrary to the natural desires of those striving to be civilized, which creats the problem. Humanity has always created law, and enforcement agencies to ensure security. Are you not under the control of America? Are you not happy to know that someone in this nations seeks to control the crime rate? You want control... Also are you suggesting that the NOI is part of the group of "Loopy...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

HonestBrother ·
I'm not criticizing individual rights to believe whatever they want. That's not my purpose. I just believe it absurd and even suicidal (from a group perspective) to rush into these religious groups and demand everyone else believe this stuff too or else they're unclean, or unworthy, or not as evolved or something. IT IS UNNECESSARILY DIVISIVE OF THE BLACK COLLECTIVE
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

bigddouble ·
This is the point I was making to Rowe earlier...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

Kai ·
You must object to the above since you reject "control". Is there a way to protect and serve outside of control? Is there? I am a Fruit Of Islam serving in the Nation Of Islam. I cannot speak for other faiths, but I am certain that the NOI's doctrine is premised upon service, protection, and unity, among other things. What does Master Fard Muhammad have to do with this? I agree. Fortunately, the NOI makes no such claims. Kai
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Re: Job banks, Rubber Rooms and Lazy ass people making 64k-100k a year... doing nothing

James Wesley Chester ·
I don't believe this 'rubber room', other such 'labor surge' pools are initiated by 'the company'. It is more likely these 'labor pools' are a consequence of a union demand. The Steel Industry did something similar to this in the 50s and 60s. AFL-CIO demanded that the steel industry provide jobs for their sons and daughters. In negotiation after negotiation, this demand was made. GIVE MY KID A JOB OR I WILL STRIKE!!!! So,...'the company' made a job for the kids. All workers with 'x' number...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

HonestBrother ·
You are full of hot air ... and seem to be deliberately misconstruing my posts. You asked me what I had against unity, protection, and service. My response was nothing. But what I objected to were the other unrelated doctrines which have not a damned thing to do with unity, protection, or service. But which nevertheless demand assent from members of the organization and whose ONLY function is intellectual control... You asked what I had against unity, protection, and service and my response...
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Re: Job banks, Rubber Rooms and Lazy ass people making 64k-100k a year... doing nothing

Faheem ·
The Jobs Bank has its origins in the tough times Detroit faced in the late 1970s and early 1980s. A spike in oil prices, a harsh recession and the first major assault from fuel-efficient Japanese cars hammered the Big Three and cost tens of thousands of union jobs. The UAW agreed to its first concessionary contracts in 1982 with the Big Three, which then made three out of every four vehicles sold in America. Battling the new competition, GM developed a plan to spend $24 billion improving...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

Kai ·
Peace... Perhaps you feel blown away...I understand. No..I will allow you all of the credit for that one. Your points are incoherent and loosely tied. Have you ever been a member of these "Loopy" organizations? If not, are you really qualified to make such a judgment? Now let us be clear here...You were not limiting your comments to any particular organization, you were intentionally rejecting, any, and all organizations which seek to exercise any control over it's members. Which is why you...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

Rowe ·
Brother, I love u too, but the biggest pet peeve that I have is when people mistakingly label this kind of information as "wrongful" simply because it is information that is not commonly accepted by the medical profession or Western science, and for a good reason. This is the kind of information that keeps people from relying on medications and doctors for the rest of their lives. One point that we do agree on is that what I've offered thus far is definitely not medical advice, but...
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Re: Conservative Forum Turns on Bush

EbonyRose ·
This is very interesting because I just read a news article last night that told of 4 towns in Vermont where the people got together to discuss issues important to their townships and all 4 voted to demand that their congressional representative put forth a recommendation to have Bush impeached for the false statements that have sent our military into Iraq. And apparently, if these Reps don't do it, they have threatened to vote in somebody who will! Looks like the hot seat is warming up!!
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Re: Women in there twenties why?

Toria ·
Good question. Suppy & demand? Whatever the case, it's unthinkable to me. That said, I guess at some level I'd rather *know* that I'm not the only one than to entertain the fantasy that I am, while he's out "giving freely of himself" like he's performing some sort of community-minded public service. "...look for the Diamnod in the rough. He may not "appear" to be at the top of the ladder of success, but hes quietly climbing the rungs." That makes me smile.
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Re: Women in there twenties why?

detroit1 ·
Here in Detroit, there is currently a conference going on to address the issues of young girls including building self-esteem, self-confidence, self-worth, emotional health, social skills and the necessary tools needed for healthy relationships. www.girls-matter.org Is in the best interest of the black community that our young girls grow up into women who do not find appeal in man-sharing, who demand marriage before children, who don't use their bodies for gratification nor involve...
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Re: Women in there twenties why?

HeruStar ·
These women are obviously receiving some sort of benefits. If they KNOW he's a playa, how are we sure that they're not 'playing' as well? Part of the deception I believe. For these types of men to believe that women believe anything they say is crazy to me. Women feed off of eachothers experiences, so they already have heightened b.s. detecting senses... so... Who's really being dishonest?
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Re: Johnson Buys Bank to Build Black-Focused Financial Firm

James Wesley Chester ·
But, I'd be more inclined to think that his motivation was more to the tune of his noting (as do on this board) the amount of money that flows through the Black economy every year and came up with a way to get a piece of it using that "black skin" of his (and us) to do it.---EbonyRose Thanks for the extra effort for me. As people grow within themselves, they spend less and less time 'beginning their day' with the color of their skin. When I begin my day, I don't look in the mirror and see...
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Re: WHERE DO YOU STAND?

James Wesley Chester ·
RESOLVED: AFRICAN AMERICANS WILL NEVER BE FREE AS LONG AS WE ARE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.---MBM I will define African Americans as those Americans who are descendants of native-born Americans of unknown African ancestry. Since we continue to labor of this identity issue, say that we 'labor' because we have always been an inclusive people embracing all who of common African ancestry. That is beginning to 'turn on us'. Some people of African ancestry, who are or are descendants of ancestors...
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Re: The Disgraceful King Children...

James Wesley Chester ·
Triffling only begins to describe what they're capable of.---EbonyRose I heartily agree!! Yet, on the issue of copyright-release for their father's work, I support them 100%. If MLK didn't want the control, and the money, he would not have copyrighted his material in the first place. To insist his estate get no money, is simply a part of the system's demand for no respect. And...diminished status. PEACE Jim Chester
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Re: Illegal Immigration

ricardomath ·
Half a million march against US immigration reform Demonstrators march in Los Angeles, California, to protest of proposed illegal immigration legislation. Half a million protesters paralyzed downtown Los Angeles, demanding amnesty for undocumented immigrants and rejection of a proposed law that would drastically tighten US immigration rules.(AFP/Getty Images/J. Emilio Flores) LOS ANGELES (AFP) - Half a million protesters paralyzed downtown Los Angeles, demanding amnesty for undocumented...
 
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