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Re: Conservative Idiots

Kevin41 ·
I wonder why there is sooo much laughter when the guy speaks.....I guess it is hard to take a tom serious....when you know their first and foremost motive is to defend the stats quo and their white masters....I thought the term conservative idiot applied here......... My dad's barbershop ...byLarry Elder and personal responsibility -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: December 29, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern Editor's note: The following column...
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Re: Question for Kresge?

Rowe ·
This topic is of great interest to me as well. However, because of the diversity of African cultures, and its widespread aspects, I reject the simplistic use of attributive terms such as "ancestor worship," "fetishism," and "animism" as definitions of African religion. Even among converts to Islam or Christianity, you will find elements of traditional African spirituality. In the Hebrew Bible, for example, animal sacrifices are common, rituals are performed, polygamy is an acceptable form of...
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Re: Expanding on MBMs Inquiry ...

SistahSouljah ·
El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz. My brother in the struggle and my brother in Islam.
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Re: Unholy Strictures?

thechosen ·
When you speak of "unholy scriptures," the scriptures which come to mind are the scriptures added to the "New Testament" by Paul who in Islam is known as the "Great Deciever."
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Re: Unholy Strictures?

HonestBrother ·
The title is "Unholy Stric tures". I think the reference is to the fact that the author of this article believes the requirement that a religious scripture be read as one would read a science book or a encyclopedia to be contrary to an older more authentic tradition of understanding religious texts. The requirement is an "unholy stricture" on how these texts are to be understood and appreciated.
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Re: Unholy Strictures?

kresge ·
Yep, and that applies to all sacred text, whether it be the Hebrew Bible, the Greek New Testament, the Quran, the Gita, or Vedas.
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Re: Al-Zawahri Mocks Bush Over Terrorism War

Black Viking ·
He'll do what he's always done, with exactly the same results. If there was anything I could do to keep him from botching this thing any further I would. He should be impeached and put on trial for treason. Lucky for him I'm not in charge. Typical terrorist. Offer conditional truce but fail to specify the conditions. Official U.S. policy is that we don't negotiate with terrorists. The reality is that we don't negotiate with anyone . Why does Al-Qaida even bother with this nonesense? Please...
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Re: Larry Elder: blacks and republicans

Nmaginate ·
Elder is high, drunk, pimp-slapped, etc. because of the disconnect. He knows the rule. Politics is all about "What Have You Done For Me Lately." What the hell is he talking about the history? Like there is a BETTER WHITE MAN or something? Silly BASTARD!! Last time, at The Barbershop , this mf was thumbing his nose at history:Funny how he showed right awful disdain for history there and never even came close to casting that history in a positive light, let alone putting a hellified spin on...
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Re: My dad's barbershop -- and personal responsibility

Kevin41 ·
I wonder if CF is his son or little brother? I wonder if my spam alert disconnected the program that we thought was self-hater#1..I haven't seen a post od his...and do not get me wrong...I do not miss his azz........at all...... read this bullschit: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The (Blue) State Of The Union Address -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: February 2, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern...
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Re: Danish Newspaper And Mohammed Cartoon

Vox ·
I think it goes a little deeper than that, though, Faheem. When I said that I can't pretend to understand the mindset, I had in mind my miniscule, rudimentary understanding of the impact on Muslims from the Middle East on the fact that they largely come from a ethnic culture that derives a huge portion of its identity from religion. Islam isn't just a religion; it is probably the primary influence on their culture (even on those there who aren't Muslim). I suspect that this makes it much...
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Re: Danish Newspaper And Mohammed Cartoon

kresge ·
I think that the ethnicity (or historical accuracy" of the image is irrelevant as to its sanctity or sacredness. They are entirely different things. As to there being no comparable term in Christianity, again, I think that there are people who view the image of Christ in a comparable fashion. There is not the same restrictions on human images in Christianity as there is in Islam, but know Christians who where angry enough with the movie The Last Tempation of Christ to call in bomb threats to...
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Re: Danish Newspaper And Mohammed Cartoon

UppityNegress ·
The cartoons were originally commisioned to test the boundaries of free speech in Denmark. An ethnically Danish author who was writing a pro-Muslim children's book on Islam, couldn't find anyone to illustrate it for fear of violence and persecution from the Muslims in Denmark. He questioned whether political correctness in regards to Muslims was hindering free speech in the country. The newspaper drawings were meant as a test--granted, a rather childish one. The smarter option would have...
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Re: Danish Newspaper And Mohammed Cartoon

Nmaginate ·
BUT you did not answer me question and "I stand by my view" that the Christ and Christian images are not comparably "sacred" in Christendom. Symbols of Christ, no matter what the lay or particular Christians feel about them [read: Christians angry enough over 'The Last Tempation of Christ' to call in bomb threats] , just aren't as sacred. It just doesn't translate. It's not the same language or the same word. There's a deeper, different meaning because of the very different tradition in...
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Re: Another Danish? Noah's "I wonder what?"

Nmaginate ·
When was the last time White Christians collectively lived in comparable conditions? Under Occupation? Apparently not. There is not the same restrictions on human images in Christianity as there is in Islam, but know Christians who where angry enough with the movie The Last Tempation of Christ to call in bomb threats to theaters. And what about those good [White] Christians and their violent passions over abortions ? Now, that might not be over the not-so sacred Christian symbols and images...
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Re: Another Danish? Noah's "I wonder what?"

UppityNegress ·
I suppose that argument would have some merit in Palestine, but that situation isn't comparable to what is happening in northern Europe. Muslims in Scandinavia especially are far from ocupied--hell, they willingly migrated there to escape the poverty and extremism of their own countries! Having lived in the area for a brief period, I can say that while there is racism (or perhaps more accurately, culturism) in places like Denmark and Sweden, the Muslims there are segregated from mainstream...
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Re: Untitled--Just Disappointed and Upset

Empty Purnata ·
I know what you mean, those were the warning signs with my parents too. But, as horrific as I just made my parents sound, it's not all that bad all the time. Many days, their religious shenanigans were just laughable in my mind. Like they would get all worked up in a frenzy if they saw two guys kiss on TV. It was those egrigious incidents that made them so bad. But, I'd have to say, my parents, as of late, seem to be getting better. I just had a conversation with my parents today and the...
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Re: Conservatism and African America

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
Funny how you wouldn't answer the very question that I put forth with regard to left-wing progressivism in our community AMONG BLACK PEOPLE. Here is my shot: The Black community has traditionally been bound by CULTURAL PRECEDENT. For the longest you had a mother and grandmother who warned against "Shacking" and who could read the character of a "date" that you brought home the very first time they met them. Economically, prior to our forefathers moving North we worked the land. There was a...
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Re: Conservatism and African America

MBM ·
What wing of the conservative movement is driving/running the Republican party and the over-all conservative agenda today? Is it so unreasonable to question those who support a movement which at its heart does and has promoted an agenda which is directly inimical to African America's interests? If it is an African American who is supporting that same Anti African American Agenda, then is it wrong to attempt to better understand that? A tree hugger is out to save a tree and the environment. A...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

Rowe ·
I disagree. Natural meat eaters eat flesh raw. Accordingly, natural meat eaters have claws, sharp teeth, sweat through the mouth, have a short intenstine which is two thirds the length of their bodies (humans are 30 ft. long), their jaws move up and down only, and the stomach can digest hair. Humans lack all of these natural meat eating habits and attributes. Furthermore, the human intestinal tract causes meat to stay in the body for up to 3 days. This causes toxins to be aborbed in the body...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

Khalliqa ·
Rowe.... Rowe.... Rowe.... Rowe..... My Sista...... We share soooo much..... I knew there was something about you I liked... Couldn't put my finger on it... Until now.... Just wanted to let you know I think you're right on point.... By the way.... Love your avatar.... Is that a Faith Ringold portrait? UNOI? You have a PM coming..... Peace, Virtue
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

bigddouble ·
Interesting commentary - I'd like to hear more regarding your opinion of the organization. From what I gather the socio-political purpose appears to be worthwhile. The religious aspects seem to be quite different from orthodox Islam (and even the Nation of Islam) however.
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

Khalliqa ·
Just a note..... the UNOI is not NOI..... but as in all things there are many key similarities between all three....... I will not give my opinion here.... because you asked for Thayfen's opinion...... but there is a wealth of information in terms of people's opinions on the net and otherwise.... The best source is to listen or go for yourself.... not for recruitment.... but as in a lot of things in our community ...... people tend to latch on to a perception and simply feed themselves the...
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Re: The Left Hand of God

Melesi ·
A pity that you don't remember that we killed Malcolm X ourselves. What color was Talmadge Hayer? Malcolm had said that the Nation of Islam was out to kill him, and perhaps you saw the documentary on his life, "Brother Minister"? It included a secret recording of Louis Farrakhan saying that if they, the NOI, killed Malcolm, that wasn't anybody elese's business. So you're saying that Malcolm died for us even though we did the killing? You're substituting one Savior for another while...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

Kai ·
You must object to the above since you reject "control". Is there a way to protect and serve outside of control? Is there? I am a Fruit Of Islam serving in the Nation Of Islam. I cannot speak for other faiths, but I am certain that the NOI's doctrine is premised upon service, protection, and unity, among other things. What does Master Fard Muhammad have to do with this? I agree. Fortunately, the NOI makes no such claims. Kai
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

HonestBrother ·
Yes. NOI may be premised on service, protection, and unity AMONG OTHER IDEAS. Are you going to tell me that NO other ideas are involved? And as for Fard Muhammad: Can't you friggin read??? . One of the ideas in addition to service, protection, and unity is that this man is God. And that's from the official NOI website.
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Re: Mulatto Couple Produces Blonde, Blue Eyed White Child

UppityNegress ·
Zakar, are you a member of the Nation of Islam?
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Re: Why do men hurt us?????

Rowe ·
Sister Virtue, at one time, I remember reading you singing the praises about the integrity, honor, and responsibility of men representing the Nation of Islam. Why haven't you pursued any relationships with men associated with this organization? And if you have, were your experiences unfavorable?
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Re: Choose your oppressor

HeruStar ·
two things turned me off... 1. NOI is a new, fresh, pro-black religion, independent of Arabian Islam 2. Arabians are black. I stopped reading at the second piece of b.s. It all sounds like seductive rhetoric to me. 1. oh baby, I'm not like them other guys, I'm real, I'm here for you baby 2. you from Brooklyn! oh snap, I'm from Brooklyn too! I see we gone have a lot in common. That's what I gathered from those two statements, just bout' made me throw this damn laptop.
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Re: Choose your oppressor

HonestBrother ·
it'll be alright, Heru
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Re: Incentives

HonestBrother ·
I hear ya, EP... But it's a common occurrence... The same thing happens for example when Christians claim Islam is a violent religion... people always want to see their own belief system in the best light possible. For the record, the following is pure white man Enlightenment mythology: People are rational
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Re: Incentives

Kweli4Real ·
But mostly I find this phenomena in conservative/fundamentalist circles, where members are discouraged from questioning the "facts" that are presented and rewarded for rote recitation of, if not adherence to, the dogma.
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Re: I. The Right To Healthcare and Well-Being

Rowe ·
I am very impressed with the suggestions you've outlined here. I too am a strong advocate for prevention, and I am strongly opposed to over relance on prescription drugs and doctors. Rather than using and abusing prescription drugs, I think we should allow food to be our medicine . So I am in support of your perspective. And yes, I also don't see what is stopping us from organizing an insurance co-op, though convincing people will be a challenge. Reading your proposal, I am reminded of an...
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Re: So Pan-Africanism/Black nationalism establishes a solid foundation circa 2010...

ZAKAR ·
PanAfrica: 'Greater Africa' Has Changed the World Too Email This Page Print This Page The East African Standard (Nairobi) COLUMN April 16, 2006 Posted to the web April 17, 2006 Ali Mazrui Nairobi Two trends relevant to the African people have been under way since the second half of the 20th Century: globalisation of Africa and hegemonisation of the United States. Africa and the people of African descent have become more of a global presence. And the US has become more of a hegemony: Empire...
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Re: Choose your oppressor

Fine ·
Christianity and Islam are both oppressive states of 'so-Called' spirituality. Christianity's weapon of control is the bible and Islam's weapon of choice is the Qu'ran.
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Re: Choose your oppressor

Khalliqa ·
Hmmmm.... lots of venom .... Please answer... What is the definition of Muslim? Islam? Arab? Black? And.... just for clarity.... since you see religious ministers as pimps..... do you agree with the corollation that their flock are whores? Peace, Virtue
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Re: Choose your oppressor

HeruStar ·
Muslim is a religion, Islam is a sector, Arab is a culture. Black is a race which used to be a glorified heritage with it's own religion, within it's own sector, with it's own culture. and you're not a whore unless you're an evangelist minion running the same half-cocked nonsense, your uninformed minister may be running.
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Re: Choose your oppressor

Khalliqa ·
Hmmmmmm..... I see... Thanks for the clarification of your views.... V
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Re: Nation of Islam-KKK Konnection: fact or fiction?

sunnubian ·
It is obvious that there could or should be a connections or alliance between the Nation of Islam and the KKK because both groups want the exact same things; to oppress women, exploit religous beliefs and to be racial segregation. Also, I have seen Klan members being interviewed on talk shows on more than one occasion over the years who praise the Nation of Islam and actually say that its because the Klan and the Nation of Islam want the same things. It would not be inconcievable for me to...
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Re: Clark Enters Race

Vox ·
OK, here's the whole article. Understand, I never wanted an "anti-war" candidate. I knew this guy was no "dove;" he was a guy who would have no qualms about war if it was necessary. I didn't want somebody who was anti-war, just somebody who was anti-the Iraq war. But this article makes it clear that he wasn't exactly anti-the-war, or anti-Bush, right after Baghdad fell. I have to thank Yssys for this , but man, I have to admit I'm extremely disappointed. I thought he was the real deal, but...
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Re: Something of a Revelation

soul_doctor73 ·
The definition of 'propaganda' is why religion is '101'. Every religious doctrine has its own propaganda. Christianity has the bible, Islam has the Quran, Judaism has the the 'Old Testament', and on and on it goes. Each type of 'religious worshiper' is indoctrinated with a different type of propaganda, which they recite as 'truth', because they 'believe' it be 'true'.
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Re: Christian ORIGIN of RACISM!

Nmaginate ·
Maverick, I definitely believe in GOD. Currently, I don't belong to any faith. I was baptized in a Missionary Baptist Church. I went C.O.G.I.C. while in high school and "studied" Islam while in college. Personally, I would like to explore African concepts/spiritualism. My wife goes to a Baptist Church so I go with her from time to time. I used to be very active though I came from a family where my mom would "send us to church". Spiritually/mentally the Christian Church doesn't satisfy me and...
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Re: Muslim girl suspended for head scarf

ThaWatcher ·
Rules are rules....I don't agree with the new zone defense in the NBA, but if I don't abide by the rules, I can't play the game. It's a shame that people contain their religion in "things". I've seen muslims who don't wear a hijab...are they any less muslim? Is islam in your clothes or in your heart? Same thing with Christianity. Someone tells you that you can't wear a cross and they want to go to the supreme court..Wearing a cross doesn't make you a Christian (look at any rapper) and...
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Re: Muslim girl suspended for head scarf

Nmaginate ·
Again, CHESTER, I ask the obligatory question (since you like to avoid others) WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? The point is what you said here: "There is no provision for prayers by the followers of any other religion, and no indication the reserved space may be used for prayers by non-Islamics. Clearly, this is a "slippery slope" decision." ...and not some undisclosed FACT or anything about ignorance. That point about ignorance is that you obviously know nothing about or rather you...
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Re: Muslim girl suspended for head scarf

Nmaginate ·
Quickly that's not what I'm saying at all... What I was trying to illustrate is that it - Islam - is so unique in it's practice (to my knowledge) that saying this is an example of "showing favor to a religion" to the exclusion of others is inaccurate, simplistic and devoid of understanding. I will remind you that the thread is about a School Dress Code... you interjected PRAYER. And any reference to Jewish head-dress in the source article was hypothetical and for all reality, case specific...
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Re: CHRISTIANS how do you expect to get along in this world thinking like this?

Melesi ·
Nmaginate, But people do take that attitude with me. Don't you? You think I'm wrong and have told me so in rather strong terms. So perhaps an answer to your question would begin with, "Just how have I responded to you?" We both think the other is wrong, and while we have said so bluntly, I don't recall our saying that the other is beyond redemption or unworthy of being considered human or anything like that. We certainly haven't tried to attack others who hold views like ours. You do have a...
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Re: CHRISTIANS how do you expect to get along in this world thinking like this?

Nmaginate ·
I'll take more time later... I don't think you're SATAN or that the beliefs that you have are wrong for you to have... or as an affront to mind. I essentially see and always have seen any principled believer in whatever faith as all the better for it because I see religion or rather true believers in any faith as fundamentally good people and good for society. As I see it we were having a debate over abstract concepts and I could care less whether you changed your beliefs or not. Nor will I...
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Re: CHRISTIANS how do you expect to get along in this world thinking like this?

Nmaginate ·
That's the problem. Yours is better therefore if someone really wants to know GOD they have to have yours. That's the problem with it. And all that personal attack stuff... you know I could careless... again you try to find anyway to say (eventhough you think it subtle) that yours is better. There's not correlation, Melesi. I think that anyone who claims to respect humanity yet reserves the privilege to feel "better" than someone else on any basis is not following any religious principle. If...
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Re: CHRISTIANS how do you expect to get along in this world thinking like this?

Nmaginate ·
Where is the HUMILITY in that statement? And what's up with the BLANKET JUDGEMENT? Everywhere a particular religion is practiced, e.g. Islam, DRACONIAN rituals or laws don't exist. STONING is in the Bible. DRACONIAN rituals are in the Bible... So what's you point? There are 2.5 African American orthodox Muslim in America and they neither believe in stoning nor do they treat women without due respect. Have you been blinded by the age and country inwhich you live? Christians in America partook...
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Re: CHRISTIANS how do you expect to get along in this world thinking like this?

Nmaginate ·
The DIFFERENCE... Melesi since seem not to recognize from our last conversation and your narrow view of Islam and anything different from your own religion is that you talk down and I talk up. (BTW... there are on-line version of Qu'ran...) See... though we didn't agree we where essentially talking about your faith and I was exhalting what I saw as good principles which may in fact have been at odds with what you believe but I was not berating the source - aka the Bible per se and dismissing...
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Re: CHRISTIANS how do you expect to get along in this world thinking like this?

Nmaginate ·
Why do you think that makes your religion better? And why does GOD judgement based on a believers measure of faith in your human opinion just qualifies as something to be "taken into consideration" - aka less than full credit? Did GOD say that? Or Did you? Seems to me this "better" and "not equal" stuff contradicts the "sober" and humble posture you should have. Yet again, I'M EXHALTING your scripture and not pointing out negatives but positives. AND there are DEVOUT people of all faiths...
 
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