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Re: Racism Out Of "Racism-Deniers"

Empty Purnata ·
But, I have a few theories on who and what CON-Feed is (and he's not the only one here like himself, Michael Lofton doesn't count, he's a Spambot): 1) A CONSERVATIVE WHITE GUY WHO VIEWS BLACK PEOPLE AS BEING "BENEATH HIM" COMING HERE TO SPAM THE SITE WITH TRIPE (WHILE PRETENDING TO BE BLACK) THINKING HE CAN GET US TO BREAK DOWN AND ACT ALL "NIGGERISH" SO HE CAN GET A GOOD LAUGH. 2) An extremely sheltered Black man who grew up in a middle-class/rich home by Black Middleclass parents who told...
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Re: Black Unity: Moving Beyond The RHETORIC

Empty Purnata ·
NOW THIS IS KEY RIGHT HERE. I'm glad that you posted this, Nmag. Now these are things which harm Black Unity in America more than anything else (I would also add those who view quick monetary gain through illegal activity as "acceptable" to the dis-unity list). For Black Unity to be achieved, we also need more communal ethic with Black Businesses. Many Black Businesses operate just like White Businesses and just do business with whoever the highest bidder is (so in the end, it doesn't help...
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Re: Kola Boof Speaks: Race & Beauty In America

Rowe ·
Sister Marimba Ani (1994), speaking on the collective hypocrisy exhibited by Europeans in Chapter one of her book Yurugu: An African-Centered Critique of European Thought and Behavior believes hypocrisy is a "way of life" for Europeans. She would undoubtedly agree with the explanations you and Brother Nayo have provided. Hypocrisy as a Way of Life Marimba Ani Within the nature of European culture there exists a statement of value or of "moral" behavior that has no meaning for the members of...
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Re: The Best Environment for the Development of Our Potential....

ZAKAR ·
I think a better way to phrase this question is to simply ask, Are you an assimilationist, or Nationalist? What have we gained so far in this country? is it worth the price our ancestors paid? what would africa be like today if it hadnt been depopulated for Europes advancement. How does our participating in this European Capitalist system benifit us. By benifiting us in this country help our brothers and sistas on the continent or the rest of the african diaspora.If there was land available...
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Re: The Best Environment for the Development of Our Potential....

James Wesley Chester ·
I believe that respect will nost greatly enhanced when we recognize ourselves, we Americans of unknown African ancestry, as the ethncity we are, and the ancestral nationality we have. African America. PEACE Jim Chester
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

kresge ·
The Super Negro thing is a form of exceptionalism, that goes back centuries. It is similar to the exceptionalism often found among cultural or political black nationalist. While the later group often asserts that black folk are different, unique, or distinct culturally, socially, historically, or even biologically and thus need a "nation" of our own, the former understands black uniqueness as as somehow salvific for the world. Even before it appears in King, it is present in black culture...
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

kresge ·
Perhaps, but I think what Cornel was referring to is the reality of American hegemony. In light of this, can one be autonomous. I do not think so. We can talk about the economic resources of African Americans, but they are inextricably part of a network of political/economic power that Hardt and Negri refer to as Empire. This, again, is something I believe that nationalist do not understand. In a sense, the time of the nation state has passed. We have multinational corporation with earnings...
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Re: State of Black America hosted by Tavis on CSPAN now..

ZAKAR ·
Well I watched the whole show and i found it pretty interesting. Some of the people that were picked I wouldnt have picked, but it was cool all the same.I was a little dissapointed in the dept of the conversation. We were talking about economic empowerment, but no one was talking about building our own schools, or other institutions we can create to sustain ourselves.The reason they fell out with The Minister is because people like Cornell West and Tavis are more Assimilationist types you...
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Re: State of Black America hosted by Tavis on CSPAN now..

Nmaginate ·
No disagreement. The two can and should co-exist "peacefully" - i.e. in harmony and in conjunction. The problem though (and this may be pretty biased, coming from my Nationalist perspective)... none of those "Assimilationists" were talking about any essential changes that they wanted or demanded from the system. Name one change Cornell or Tavis demanded. If that were so, then there was plenty of room for common ground. Farrakhan referenced Thomas Jefferson's idea of Revolution where it is...
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Re: State of Black America hosted by Tavis on CSPAN now..

kresge ·
Cornel has definitely mollified his orientation over the last decade. There have actually been a number of books noting this. The West of Prophesy Deliverance who argued for a radical restructuring of society along progressive socialist lines is certainly no more. He is certainly more of an accomodationists (I am hesitant to classify him as an assimilationists. I reserve tha label for Uncle Clarence Thomas and Auntie Condi Rice). The irony is that West has fallen into the same trap that he...
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Re: The Rise of Fascism in America

Empty Purnata ·
At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the flag the military salute -- right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly, "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all." At the words, "to my Flag," the right hand is extended gracefully, palm...
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Re: College "Education" Is BS

ZAKAR ·
Until you deal with the issues of Assimilationist and Nationalist , you will continue to argue in circles.
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Re: WHERE DO YOU STAND?

ZAKAR ·
I for people who are always anticipating the fall of the US. I'd be careful. You, your families, your children, all of us ARE the US. The US is not just land and government, people make up a nation and whether you feel you've been excluded or not, when the ship goes down, you go down with it. Instead of stating what many see as being the inevitable, why don't you dooms-day crier's start thinking of ways to save the ship. I paraphrase Eldridge Cleaver when I challenge you to check yourself...
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Re: WHERE DO YOU STAND?

ZAKAR ·
I suggest you look at the situation in the community now, believe me i know what it was like back then, my mother and father have told me, my grandparents have told me. I pass former slave plantations everyday. But my question is, where are we now. Who said not to fight for your rights here? I said how are we gonna fight a system of white supremacy from inside the bell of the beast when we virtually have no power? no one has answered it yet, but instead they again ask me what I would do. I...
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Re: Black Like GOP

urbansun ·
Liberalism is paternalistic and racist, and conservatism is stagnant and impractical, pick your poison. Liberal paternalism as represented by the Democratic party: 1) Seeks to erode our African Moral fiber by forcing us to party with individuals who represent moral positions abhorrent to us as Africans. It makes us passively accept post-modernism & relativism, and tells us to be effective we have to be aligned with other 'agenda's' that in many cases are polar opposites of our...
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

bigddouble ·
All MBM is asking you ZAKAR is: Are you a Nationalist? If so, what do you see as the end goal of nationalism? How would you go about getting there? Many of your posts start out on the defensive. I'm sure you're not being set up, but you make brash, unsupported statements on occasion. On a board of intelligent Black folk, you have to expect someone to call you on them. Since I have "skin in the game" ($.02 to MBM), I would not walk away from America. I wish to revive & nuture our culture,...
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

ZAKAR ·
you seem to be a Nationalist too, (since you sport the Flag) im just interested in what type you stand for, where are your views on this matter?
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

MBM ·
Take a look at this thread from December 2003. Here are some highlights:
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

ZAKAR ·
So does that mean you are an Assimilationist or a Nationalist? What is your purpose for wearing a Marcus Garvey Flag if your not a Nationalist. do you think we should only focus on this Assimilationist strategy. What about our culture, heritage, self Determination?
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

ZAKAR ·
January 24, 1965. Malcolm X Speaks at OAAU Rally on Afro-American History. Listen to this Speech its on Malcolm x: A Research site. I'm a Black Nationalist, in the Tradition of Malcolm, Nkrumah, Seku Ture, Patrice Lumumba, CLR James, and George Patmore and of course John Henrike Clarke Amos Wilson among others. I believe in African peoples uniting institutionally all around the world. I believe there can be no liberation for an African anywhere if the African Continent isn't free. I believe...
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

MBM ·
Your original question has nothing to do with Pan Africanism, which is what the RBG represents. Based on what I know now, I would have to reiterate that I think African America's best chances are with maximizing our opportunity here. Now that could mean 'working the system' to earn reparations and even trying to win a chunk of land somewhere to "own". In a world where our government spends more on defense than every other country in the world combined and where it has almost unlimited...
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

ZAKAR ·
did you guys read what i said, how you gonna say some bullshyt like that, Of course i know White Supremacy is Global, thats why i said what i said, so you assimilationist dont believe we can connect with the rest of African people? there is no way to build upon the Nationalist Pan African Movement so many have participated in since we have been here? They wasnt successful? I would say they were successful, they just didnt sustain. People sold out the masses on the Continent just like they...
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

HonestBrother ·
In theory, I completely agree with everything you just said... but my problem comes with the way the typical Nationalist usually carries this out... You can always see it coming when they start shouting down the "intellectuals" and those who accept "European definitions". They've only read a few books - Malcolm X, Elijah Muhammad, or Cheikh Anta Diop maybe - and then conveniently forget that Anta Diop was educated in European institutions and used European originated ideas and methodologies...
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

ZAKAR ·
to assume that Nationalist dont read white people's books are wrong. Many true Nationalist have been through the gambet of thought and ideology, but just because we dont need eurocentric validation doesnt mean we dont read. And Diop isnt a bad read for anyone, this brother was a genius. Who do you suggest we follow Hegal,Arthur Schlessinger, or these savagely racist cats?
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

HonestBrother ·
You're proving my point... I'm not suggesting you follow anyone.... I'm also not denying that Diop was a genius... But even geniuses can be wrong... Even geniuses need other scholars to round out and test their work.. You can't build on Diop alone is my point Just as modern physics does not build on Einstein alone.... You can't just throw out ideas just because they're European in origin.
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

ZAKAR ·
why do you try to insult people like that. What person would only read one person's book. There are many many Nationalist out there. Whats wrong wih Diop, what was he wrong about. But to minimize all the work so many brothers and sistas have done for African people is very insulting. How about Clarke, Chancelor Williams, JA Rogers, Wade Nobels, Amos Wilson etc etc
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

HonestBrother ·
Would you please react to what people actually write?? JESUS! I didn't say anything was wrong with Diop or any of these other people you cite... My point was that you can't have respectable or even reliable black scholarship that relies only on black scholars. CHRIST! Pay atention to what I say please... Before you again misinterpret me, You couldn't have respectable American scholarship that ignored relevant French, or Japanese, or Senegalese scholarship... for example... Ideas are not so...
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

ZAKAR ·
well it seems as if you are trying to accuse Nationalist as somehow not using scientific research methods, as John Henrike Clarke once said about the great Ivan Van Sertima, he said when he went to Mr Van Sertima and wanted to know all the history of African people in World History the first thing he said was "Go study the Europeans history first, read his books then go reseach the great scholarship and culture of your people. My point is to say just because you dont agree with Nationalist...
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

HonestBrother ·
Again, please don't read things into what I'm saying... Note that I've tried to qualify my statements... meaning I've made statements not about all Nationalists but 'many' or those I've met... If my statements don't apply to you, then fine. They don't apply to you. Have a good day.
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Re: Who is the BEST African American Actor?

FireFly ·
I must say I like Don Cheadle and Denzel Washington for their acting and diversity of films - so they share my vote. And let's not forget James Earl Jones for his prolific career and talents. (I also like Jamie Foxx and Lawrence and Wesley to varying degrees) While hunting around on the World-Wide-Waste-Of-Time, I also came across this rather interesting sounding man!! I haven't seen any of his films but he was obviously a Renaissance Man with a lot of talent and flair and substance. What an...
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Re: Black Women and Ward Connelly

LilFoxyBrwnIntellectual ·
First Negrospiritual, don't pass out but I know that Ward's wife is not black. I believe she's white specifically. And Yssys the perspective that you see was articulated in a book that I recently read that was a bit disheartening but very enlightening. The book is entitled "Race Mixing" and it follows the history of interracial relationships in the US since post-WW2. It specifically chronicles the history of black-white unions in the US. Now both black men and women in interracial...
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Re: Black Women and Ward Connelly

Prophetessofrage ·
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LilFoxyBrwnIntellectual: "First Negrospiritual, don't pass out but I know that Ward's wife is not black. I believe she's white specifically." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY:Hi LFBI Yeh, I'm with you, hold on negrospiritual because the fact is yes, that little dumpling is married to a white woman. I mean if you think about it, what decent black woman of truth would have him? He belongs to she...
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Re: Black Women and Ward Connelly

RadioRaheem ·
interracial coupling was illegal up until the 'Loving v. Virginia' Supreme court decision in the early 1970. This was the law 'on record' in not just VA, but in most of the South [which has the highest pops of Blk Americans] This law prevented just confirmed Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall from living in the State of VA [Northern VA suburb of DC] because he was interracially married. So the facts you post, should be understood under the law of the land from the beginning of this...
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Re: Al to host SNL

Our Empowerment ·
I guess I'm too old, because after the second round of SNL cuts, I cut SNL off. That would mean after they finished morris and murphy, I was finished. In fact, after morris was finished I rearly saw SNL, I just could not stand the bands, it use to drive me crazy. Please remember, SNL is considered 'liberal' and jessie (excepting his 'hymietown' comment) was well liked in liberal camps. Sharpton, on the other hand is still trying to get acceptance, for everyone outside of the 'nationalist'...
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Re: Does MLK Get A Bad Rap?

Nmaginate ·
Would you explain that? What that schism is? I don't see either set as mutually exclusive. And do you really think it was "safe" for a Black man to preach anything anywhere in America that "threatened" White America? Perhaps this should move you beyond rhetoric:Now what did you expect for Malcolm X to do? Move to the South and "pick fights" with the Klan to prove his manhood? Let's be real. He traveled around the world, North, South, East and West "practicing what he preached"... I would...
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Re: WHY ARE BLACK WOMEN SCARING OFF BLACK MEN?

LilFoxyBrwnIntellectual ·
Wow I'm late but I'll post my opinion anyway. First I've read through a great deal of everyone's posts and my first question is to the individuals who are basically WHINING: I mean it seems you guys can't take the HEAT? There's great irony in the fact that these guys are huffing and puffing over some bias (future Republicans if not already) when none of you have conceded to so-called "truths." The so-called relationship problems between black men and women is not unilateral and will always...
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Re: Conservatism, Blacks, & Semantics

Nmaginate ·
Vox, First, what are you getting at? Second, I thought along those lines too, in terms of 'terms' adhering to their basic meanings. I think you might get some traction off off 'liberal' but that would be to a degree nothing but semantics. You would also find examples across the globe were "leftist-liberals" are in fact those who believe in "radical change". So inserting the Russian phenomenon is not particularly instructive. In the "BLACK CONTEXT" (first thank you... I thought I was the only...
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Re: Black Nationalism 2004

Nmaginate ·
I think there's a convergence. Sure there are some with pure historical so-called Nationalist views... But, as far as I'm concerned (since I won't let anyone else or history define the term), Black Nationalism can still be summed up in what Malcolm X said: The political philosophy of black nationalism means that the black man should control the politics and the politicians in his own community ; no more. The economic philosophy of black nationalism only means that our people need to be...
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Re: Black Nationalism 2004

Nmaginate ·
Are you including the Civil Rights Movement as lead by Dr. King as a "CONFRONTATIONAL APPROACH" or are you making some assumptions about the means by which a Nationalist 2004 agenda will seek to assert itself? The first part is important... (I'll have to study your overall plan.)
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Re: Black Nationalism 2004

MBM ·
Well - I don't think King's approach would work either. It's obviously a very different time which requires it's own approach. And I make no assumptions about a Nationalist 2004 approach. I have no preconceived notions. Frankly, it's why I asked for members' thoughts about it. I'm intrigued with what that might look like, what it's objectives might be, as well as strategy and tactics to achieve them. Here are some assumptions though: 1) African America, en masse, is not going to repatriate...
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Re: Black Nationalism 2004

Nmaginate ·
Like I said, I believe the force behind N'Cobra and many in the Reparations Movement to be from a Nationalist strain. Are they "confrontational"? I also said nothing about MLK's tactics per se. I was only talking about how "confrontational" it was. You have made some assumptions. Otherwise you would not be talking about "Black Anger" in association with words like "confrontation", etc. and tying those into Black Nationalism today. While you Frog & Pot scenario makes for good theatre,...
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Re: Are individual black success hurting the black poor?

Nmaginate ·
Noah, What you've touched on is exactly what I've been trying to get at from a much more fundamental philosophical level. It's the danger of the idea of "individualism"... First, as I have been saying by just looking about people as "individuals" as we have tried to deal with no judging each other by the color of our skin, BLACK Humanity has never fully been dignified and respected. By seeing people... Black people as "individuals" then Whites, for example, can selectively choose which...
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Re: Ten things you cant say in America by Larry Elder.

Vox ·
I seem to remember Openline as far back as the murder of Yusef Hawkins, and the Central Park jogger case. I'm glad they finally switched to two hours. And oh, but isn't it interesting, that several of Larry Elders' "10 Things You Can't Say," have been discussed (and occasionally agreed with) by the left-wing, pro-black nationalist James Mtume and the others? The out-of-wedlock issue, the "Dime of difference" between the parties... Real world examples, for our buddy Delta J.
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Re: Support the troops....

Faheem ·
Condemn? Who is condemning the troops? I could ask you why are you condemning innocent Iraqi men and women to death with your support of the troops but I know you would say you are not doing such; you only are supporting the troops. If I am defining support in ways that no one else is defining it, I would be interested in hearing your definition of supporting the troops. Let me state mine. I do not support the troops I do not support their mission in Iraq, what they are doing in Iraq or...
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Re: Some Truths About Black Disadvantage

Nmaginate ·
MBM, I'll have to read the article more thoroughly but the idea that America isn't capable of restoring or remeding African-Americans to "the undisturbed state that existed before injury" is a cop-out, of course. What is lacking is a serious examination of what that state was and what it consisted of. It's simply to me. But perhaps that's my Black Nationalist perspective coming out. Africans/African-Americans definitely weren't "minorities" subject to White Majority Rule before the injury.
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Re: Commitment To Our Liberation

MBM ·
Posted here: So, my read of the quote suggests, first, that there should be diversity of thought within our community. Second, it suggests that a traditional black nationalist agenda might not have been on X's mind at the moment he said this. Am I misreading the quote? Doesn't this seem to be counter to what we typically think of as Malcolm's (and the Nation's) approach? This must have been after his split with NOI? BTW - this quote reminds me of a discussion we had a year or so ago about...
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Re: Commitment To Our Liberation

MBM ·
It's funny. I think in your quest to ground the discussion in "reality" you've actually allowed it to drift into the ether. Freedom can obviously be either a practical condition or a conceptual aspiration. Respectfully, in concept, one can discuss "vehicles" and "free human beings" - but what do those things mean? In application, freedom is a relative concept that is determined by perception. There won't be a glass ball that will fall to mark our arrival. We either gauge our condition based...
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Re: Commitment To Our Liberation

MBM ·
So now a brotha needs to be spoon fed???
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Re: Imperialism - Wars Without End

Oshun Auset ·
Central Africa, a catastrophe created by capitalism 2 December 1996 By the Editorial Board The impoverished states of Central Africa have once again become the scene of terrible human suffering. Barely two years after the slaughter in Rwanda claimed more than 1 million lives, new scenes of hunger, disease and mass flight are being broadcast around the world. Thousands have already died in the chaotic exodus across the borders of Zaire and Rwanda. Countless children have been separated from...
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Re: Did anyone see the Pizza Parlor Beat-down ...

Kweli4Real ·
Yep, dude got four years. He was out on parole so they ran it wild on him. He won't see the outside until after 2012. She'll be sued for millions. But the biggest effect of this matter, is the white nationalists sites are blowing up. white nationalist activity is increasing. We even had a white nationalist drive-by papering incident that refers to the pizza parlor incident and the need to protect themselves. You know, where they drive down a street and threw flyers out the window.
 
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