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Re: Why do souls come to Earth?

Empty Purnata ·
I don't believe in eternal souls, I believe that souls are impermanent essences. My view of the soul is similar to that of a Buddhist, or Aristotle's view on the soul: http://www.answers.com/topic/soul Jesus did not teach that souls are immortal, seperate, wraithly persons either: Jesus taught that the Kingdom of Heaven is not "here or there", but that is "within you". I believe that Jesus' "Kingdome of Heaven" may have been a metaphor stressing something along the lines of...
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Re: The Holy Spirit Was Originally The Feminine Side Of God

kresge ·
You may also want to look at references in the Hebrew tradition for the Shekinah. It means the radiance or glory of God amongst God's people, and it is traditionally understood as feminine as well. Further, for you comparativist out there, some people see parallels between Shekinah and shakti , the feminine energy or force associated with Hindu deities. Most of the scholarship I am familiar with would suggest that this understanding of God more closely parallels the Christian notion of the...
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Re: Tolerance of Intolerance?

HonestBrother ·
Kresge, that's a good question. I suppose the immediate context is Melesi's accusation that I don't give his posts a fair reading. But to be fair, it goes far beyond that. As a single non-Christian, who has just moved to a new town, living in the Bible belt, in a place where the first thing people ask you when they meet you is "Where do you go to church?", in a place where even in the online dating community the women all declare "You can't love me if you can't love Jesus", I frankly find...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

Melesi ·
nikcara, You have more than one point in your post. I will try to address them, but I hope you can forgive me if I miss one or two. Do we have differing definitions of "Christian"? What is a Christian to you? Yes, Christians do differ on issues, but they differ usually because they've started from different points of view. They have different conclusions about the world to begin with, thus they have certain differences in their worldviews, which is part of the point that I made originally.
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Re: Tolerance of Intolerance?

kresge ·
I am grieved to hear about your experience. I spent 12 years in academia as a college/university chaplain. Before my theological training, however, I obtained a B.S. in physics and mathematics, and an M.A. in physics. So I think that I might be able to relate to your situation from several positions. With respect to the AA community, I think that science and mathematics, little priority seems to be given to these disciplines. There seems to be much more of a connection with arts associated...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

Empty Purnata ·
Alright, here's the reality of the land: America was founded on Englightenment Principles (the ideas in our Constitution are borrowed from the French Constitution and inspired by Englightenment Age philosophy on liberty, freedom and justice). There is a radical Seperation of Church and State. Church cannot regulate religious beliefs as laws, and the State cannot regulate religious beliefs. This is mutally beneficial, it provides a safe, bias-free (in theory) system that does not make...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

HonestBrother ·
What in the Bible forbids the owning of slaves?It's acknowledged as a practice in both the New and Old Testaments. And nothing I'm aware of forbids the practice per se. You might argue that the Bible would enjoin Masters to treat their slaves well. But what forbids them from owning slaves to begin with? See the Pauline Epistle Philemon, in which an escaped slave is encouraged to return to his owner and the owner is entreated to be forgiving. Nothing there condemns slavery. If anything,...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

Melesi ·
EP, Yes, John Locke and the idea of universal rights is very European, though they did not spring full-grown from the head of the French Revolution, especially that part of it that so quickly degenerated into the Reign of Terror and was well criticized by such as Edmund Burke, a supporter of much of the American philosophy. But this couldn't have arisen without the ground of the Christian faith. It's no wonder that the Magna Carta was forced on King John in England. It was a first step...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

HonestBrother ·
What in the Bible forbids the owning of slaves?It's acknowledged as a practice in both the Old and New Testaments. And nothing I'm aware of forbids - or even condemns - the practice per se. You might argue that the Bible would enjoin Masters to treat their slaves well. But what forbids them from owning slaves to begin with? See the Pauline Epistle Philemon, in which an escaped slave is encouraged to return to his owner and the owner is entreated to be forgiving. Nothing there condemns...
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Re: Why do souls come to Earth?

Melesi ·
EP, Evangelicals, I think, don't need to prove themselves loyal to God. You might have a more Catholic theology there. Where Catholics and Orthodox pray about "being made worthy to be heard in the presence of your divine majesty," and such, evangelicals would never choose to pray like that. The Reformation idea of "sola fides, sola gratia, sola scriptura" ("by faith alone, by grace alone, by Scripture alone") is very strong. It's not always thought through among us, logic not always being...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

Melesi ·
HB, Yes, the northern abolitionist movement included people who were not Christians, but that really is beside the point. Wiliam Wilberforce in England was a Christian who almost a hundred years before the American Civil War spearheaded the British abolitionist movement. Christians here were encouraged by his success and worked very hard to abolish slavery all through the country. It's what led to our Civil War, you'll remember. They worked with many who were not Christian, but they worked...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

Melesi ·
Come now, HB, those words can be used against you and be quite accurate. They shoudn't be, though, because they're not an argument, only a questioning of motives and asserting conclusions that you do not and cannot know. I'm reading nothing into the text. Look at the words. They are there. Once more: +++++++++++++++++++++++++ 8Therefore, although in Christ I could be bold and order you to do what you ought to do, 9yet I appeal to you on the basis of love. I then, as Paul"”an old man and now...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

Melesi ·
You haven't been listening. William Wilberforce and those many English Christians who followed him did follow Paul's example. The Christians in the American North did follow Paul's example. It was the basis for their activism for abolition. The "Christians" you really are talking about are the Christians in the American South, a minority of Christians, by the way. Many more fought for slavery's end than defended it pre-war. The reason teh Southeners defended slavery was because of the pride...
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Re: Vouchers ???

Isome ·
John Stossel has been a right wing shill for as long as he's been a part of 20/20. NOT showing both sides of the story is his modus operandi. excerpted from the book Banana Republicans How the Right Wing Is Turning America into a One-Party State by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber Jeremy Tarcher/Penguin, 2004 The career of John Stossel on ABC's 20/20 offers another example of the way the echo chamber works to place conservative ideas into the mainstream media, while hiding the interests of...
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Re: Black Jesus: "Son of Man"

Isome ·
Jesus WAS a radical. He wasn't supporting the status quo by overturning the moneychanger's table in the temple and Shadrack, Meshack and Abednego were definitely engaging in civil disobedience... It doesn't sound off the mark to me. Besides, I'm sick of Black people spending so much of their lives living in a FUTURE paradise. ( thanks Stevie ) Work needs to be done right NOW and for our lives RIGHT HERE!!
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Re: Harmachis vs. Sphinx

Dusty Elbow ·
No wonder Ayesu [Jesus] went to Egypt to hide and study for his young life than came back to Israel speaking in parables of the 'kingdom of God'. Parables are symbolism. Egypt is full of 'godly' parables. Just giving an opinion which means there is no truth behing my words. Thanks.
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Re: Bible = The Word of God?

nubian1125 ·
I believe jesus is the word of GOD.Yeshua/Jesus has to be taken out of false light that he is being held in. Black christians take and get alot of heat. But i believe the foundation of that is because of the image of Yeshua, in our hearts we don't see him as one of us, one that looked like us or been through what we been through. When in fact he is as close to us as any as our brothers and sisters are today. Moses said that GOD WILL RISE UP A PROPHET LIKE MYSELF, when the people asked moses...
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Re: Kanye West: Does Jesus Walk?

thechosen ·
I have not listened to Kaye West' music until late. Now, I am hearing the message in it all, its' good stuff. As far as him posing as Jesus, I have no problem with that at all. Jesus was a black man, and if he wants to pose as his distant ancestor that is his decision to make. Who is the Catholic church or anyone else to have an opinion? They are mad because people are getting away from the classic incorrect depiction of Jesus. I am more upset by seeing the "white Jesus." And by the way,...
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Re: Life After Limbo

Melesi ·
But isn't this last response a contradiction to the original posting? You wrote: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It is evolutions like this one, which while supremely positive, give pause as to the "Godliness" of church doctrine...If not, then how is the church justified in amending God's word in this way - however popular or logical? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Which assumes that everything that the Catholic Church says it says as if coming from God. But that is not the case. There are...
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Re: Kanye The Instigator

FireFly ·
I like this guy coz he is 'doing his job' as a member of society - by questioning it. the world needs more people like this asking questions... to prompt others to provide some answers and alternatives.
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Re: Should God?

kresge ·
Heru, I would assert that immutability is not a characteristic of God as represented in the biblical tradition. The God of the Bible is a God that repents, that changes his [sic] mind, etc. There are multiple covenants, there is an evolution of religious practices and teachings, etc. For example, do you follow all 613 laws of the Deuteronomic code? If not, why not? Look at the sexual ethic in the Hebrew Bible. Polygamy, levirate marriage, and concubines are all licit. As I interpret it, the...
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Re: Should God?

HeruStar ·
Kresge, I've got questions, and you've got answers that are always highly appreciated. Thanks for giving them freely. I've always wondered about the laws of the Deuteronomic code, and the absurdity of the laws of Leviticus. I gave myself a simple explanation (by all means please feel free to evaluate). Those laws applied to the Jews. The Jews were God's special project. There is no universalism implied in those laws and codes. The laws were more about God's (chosen) being held to and...
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Re: Danish Newspaper And Mohammed Cartoon

Empty Purnata ·
I have no sympathy for that kind of bullshit. I can't stand the fucking anti-PC crowd that tries to hide racism and bigotry behind "freedom of speech". "Oh, we have freedom of speech to say what we want! That's what makes Western society great! Freedom of expression and exchange. And after all, sometimes the truth is ugly." OH FUCK YOU!! These same "anti-PC" c*nts would scream for censorship if I drew a cartoon depicting Adolph Hitler baking Jews, or if I drew a cartoon depicting White...
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Re: Danish Newspaper And Mohammed Cartoon

Black Viking ·
I'm not anti-PC, but I am anti-censorship. If they're going to dish it out, then they have to be willing to take it as well. All the things that you listed are things that white people should be able to take without making a federal issue out of it. Especially considering how much of their shit everyone else is required to take in this form. I have to take offense at all the violence though. It was a cartoon, not a bomb. All they've done is prove the cartoon has a semblence of accuracy when...
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Re: Danish Newspaper And Mohammed Cartoon

kresge ·
Like Black Viking, I am not anti-PC, but I am anti-censorship. Whether or not I find the comic offensive, I think that a publication has the right to print it and I believe that individuals have the right to protest against it non-violently. I support their right to censure (express harsh criticism of the picture) but not to censor (control the press, speech, artistic expression). Free expression to my mind is integral to democratic society. Personal anecdote: I was a chaplain in NYC when...
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Re: Danish Newspaper And Mohammed Cartoon

Nmaginate ·
And that's the rub as they say. Also, there is nothing comparable in terms of Christian symbols, as KRESGE suggested. Considering what KRESGE said, what's to come of this: I support their right to censure (express harsh criticism of the picture) but not to censor (control the press, speech, artistic expression). Free expression to my mind is integral to democratic society. So, basically, people are allowed to completely, purposely and repeatedly desecrate and violate everything that's sacred...
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Re: Danish Newspaper And Mohammed Cartoon

kresge ·
I think that the ethnicity (or historical accuracy" of the image is irrelevant as to its sanctity or sacredness. They are entirely different things. As to there being no comparable term in Christianity, again, I think that there are people who view the image of Christ in a comparable fashion. There is not the same restrictions on human images in Christianity as there is in Islam, but know Christians who where angry enough with the movie The Last Tempation of Christ to call in bomb threats to...
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Re: Danish Newspaper And Mohammed Cartoon

Nmaginate ·
BUT you did not answer me question and "I stand by my view" that the Christ and Christian images are not comparably "sacred" in Christendom. Symbols of Christ, no matter what the lay or particular Christians feel about them [read: Christians angry enough over 'The Last Tempation of Christ' to call in bomb threats] , just aren't as sacred. It just doesn't translate. It's not the same language or the same word. There's a deeper, different meaning because of the very different tradition in...
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Re: Spiritual Autobiography

HonestBrother ·
I'm an odd bird. On the one hand, I'm a very rational person. Extremely logical. And naturally given to healthy doses of skepticism. I find it impossible to be religiously dogmatic. But at the same time, I have certain marked mystical tendencies. At age 11, I read a book by Albert Einstein called "Ideas and Opinions". It had a very profound influence. I became agnostic after that. I remember deciding that I no longer believed in Jesus and told my parents that I didn't want anything for...
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Re: Radio Raheem's Personal tribute to Interracial couples

HonestBrother ·
I don't know about where you live but where I live I don't see tons of black men dating white women. And if I'm one of the people on thee boards you're talking about (dating white women), I'VE ALSO said that I've dated black women exclusively (EXCLUSIVELY - that is turning down everyone else) for the last few years. And if I've dated white women in the past, it's because I couldn't find a black woman who 1) Didn't have a major attitude problem about black men 2) Wasn't look for a 6 figure...
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Re: Radio Raheem's Personal tribute to Interracial couples

qty226 ·
So i can say the same about you, that Dissident, is saying about black women........?? Youre making excuses!!! ???????
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Re: Radio Raheem's Personal tribute to Interracial couples

HonestBrother ·
I'm not making excuses. I'm telling you honestly about my real world life experience. EVERY time I go near a sista it seems like I should expect the same outcome. NADA. And I've gone out with more than 20 people (black women) in the last few years. I look back at my life and I see that I have a much better track record dating white women. And I have to seriously asking myself what the hell is the matter. I'm serious. I DON'T KNOW. This shit DRIVES ME CRAZY. I just met this sista a week ago.
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Re: Should God?

HeruStar ·
When I speak of enlightened individuals I am speaking of people that could be considered sages. Mohammad, Buddha, Jesus, The Ausarian concept, and so on and so forth, according to the respective religions. So... 1. What makes you assume people today are so unenlightened? I didn't intend for my statement to be sweeping. The only thing I assumed is that you would understand the type of people I was talking about. 2. What makes you assume the ancients were any more enlightened? Because I've yet...
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Re: Should God?

kresge ·
I find your response to this questions particularly interesting. It appears that you require empirical data in order to supersede enlightened individuals for whom I would contend that you do not have empirical data for in the first place. You have not seen the Buddha or Jesus, so how do you know what the Buddha or Jesus were like? How do you know that your conception is valid? This is part of the problem with interpretation. In some sense, all there is is interpretation. I am not sure if you...
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Re: Untitled--Just Disappointed and Upset

Empty Purnata ·
I can certainly empathize. My mother has always been a Christian since I was born (she grew up in a moderate church). But, she always used to be a very open and somewhat liberal Christian. I even found her reading books about other religions and even Christian Astrology. But, 2 years ago, she broke her leg and found herself houseridden for several months and dependent upon other people (which was a very humbling and even humiliating experience for my mother because she's always been a very...
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Re: Untitled--Just Disappointed and Upset

Empty Purnata ·
I know what you mean, those were the warning signs with my parents too. But, as horrific as I just made my parents sound, it's not all that bad all the time. Many days, their religious shenanigans were just laughable in my mind. Like they would get all worked up in a frenzy if they saw two guys kiss on TV. It was those egrigious incidents that made them so bad. But, I'd have to say, my parents, as of late, seem to be getting better. I just had a conversation with my parents today and the...
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Re: Untitled--Just Disappointed and Upset

HonestBrother ·
That's a good idea, EP! I have just the book. I can give it to her for her birthday! Or even Mother's Day... This reminds me of when I was a teenager. Instead of sitting me down for that talk about the "birds and bees", my folks gave me an illustrated book instead. Now I can return the favor.... One aspect of this whole thing that I find extremely disturbing.... Almost every Saturday night I attend an open mic. It's on the West Side of town (read "the poorer black side of town") and I go...
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Re: Untitled--Just Disappointed and Upset

EbonyRose ·
Wow ... y'all are really scaring me here Although I have no personal family experiences like what has been written here (my family is very much a "It's your thing, do what you want to do" type and my mom (was) and my sister (is) the hardcore "spiritualists" of the family, but the religion is not Christian ... although the same zealousness to convert is ever present! ) So, Rowe, I do sympathize with you, but I cannot offer you much assistance with your dilemma. However, I did have such a...
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Re: Radio Raheem's Personal tribute to Interracial couples

Khalliqa ·
hmmmmm.....Was the grass greener on the other side? May I offer my opinion? A Black woman may have an attitude because she's been hurt.... How do you respond to someone in pain?.... You offer comfort.... not judgment.... that will come later... after they know that you are someone they can trust will not hurt their heart anymore.....She may not be the one... but she is your "sister" so to speak.... and needs her self-image and hope revitalized if just in an instant..... Your brethren have...
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Re: Larry Elder: blacks and republicans

Yemaya ·
If another Republican, black or white or whatever says that Republicans helped free slaves or was on the vanguard of civil rights, I'm gonna slap them so hard that Jesus Christ himself will feel it! To keep emphasizing this point is a downright insult! It implies that African-Americans, as well as this entire article by L. Elder, are politically unsophisticated, immature and just plain dumb! It is not an accident that only 2% of our people support Republicans. They know why, but want to...
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Re: The Spiritual Problem With Modernist Art

Empty Purnata ·
LOLZ! And he also had the nerve to write this: So, that means read ALL the ancients books on Jesus, including the Lost Gospels, gnostic Gospesls and "apocryphal/pseudiographical" books too, right? Melesi would probably say, "No, those books are false and present a false Jesus. The Four Gospels and the Pauline Epistlesgive us a very clear picture of Christ......" In other words, he's not concerned about Jesus, he's concerned about defending doctrine. Making an A PRIORI assumption that the...
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Re: What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

BanjiGirl ·
First of all white people did NOT end slavery as an act of benevolence. They ended slavery when it was no longer profitable for them. By the 1830s plantation slavery was no longer profitable for slave masters. The new form of slavery "colonialism" was the new avenue of wealth. Mother England led the colonialization process. In other words enslave the "black bastards" in their native lands instead of spending good money to ship them to America to work impoverished plantations. Let them...
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Re: Discribe posters as a Drink

Frenchy ·
Why is that? My List: MBM - Martini, very dry with a twist . So much like James Bond, disappearing from the board for awhile and then returning with something sleek to say. And I don't even think I've seen you lose your cool. Such a mystery. Sandye - Cosmopolitan . Always mellow and sophisticated. Audio Guy - Pina Colada . Tropical, sweet, and somehow both damn fresh and traditional. kresge - Diesel (1/2 pint Lager, 1/2 pint Cider). Doesn't fit neatly into any particular category, but...
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Re: What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

nayo ·
"""Once slavery "ended" and the slaves were let go, America, Brazil, the Carribbean and Latin America were finished with us. We were let go not "freed". Now it was time to ship in the white Europeans and now the Asians and Hispanics to enjoy this wealth. Black folks can all go to hell! Now to show you how twisted is the thinking of Europeans, if a pet owner was to abandon his pet on the freeway or be found not providing food or water for said pet his irresponsible ass would go to jail or pay...
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Re: David Irving Arrested For 'Denying Holocaust'

Faheem ·
Jazzdog you, you, you Anti-semite Ok.... One of the things that I find amazing is the world wide acceptance that six million people actually died or was killed. There is so much evidence that six million people did not die that this very ideal seem preposterous, but so many people have been bombarded with images and verbal accounts of what happen that they do not investigate the Holocaust themselves. Nine out of Ten people who believe six million people died I bet have never read anything to...
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Re: Learning To Forgive

thayfen ·
The forgiving is easy...I don't like the idea of "forgetting"--and there are people who mistake the act of forgiveness with the act of "cleaning the record". Jesus said we should forgive, and he was right! Just as I can forgive the scorpion, the rattle-snake and dog which bit me, I can forgive a person. Yet, there those individuals who would like you to forget their transgressions"”but I can't do this, just as I must be weary of that Dog, Rattle-snake or Scorpion and remember what such...
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Re: ... Of Burning Houses & Pipe Dreams

kresge ·
The Super Negro thing is a form of exceptionalism, that goes back centuries. It is similar to the exceptionalism often found among cultural or political black nationalist. While the later group often asserts that black folk are different, unique, or distinct culturally, socially, historically, or even biologically and thus need a "nation" of our own, the former understands black uniqueness as as somehow salvific for the world. Even before it appears in King, it is present in black culture...
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Re: The Left Hand of God

HonestBrother ·
Well didn't the Jews kill Jesus - or at least advocate for his death? Jesus was a Jew you know? And no I'm not substituting one saviour for another. Perhaps what I'm actually doing is questioning the entire notion - or supposed function - of a "saviour"
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Re: The Left Hand of God

Melesi ·
The Jews did not have the authority to kill Jesus. That's why they took him to the Roman Pilate. Ok, so no savior. Then why bring up Malcolm X?
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Re: The Left Hand of God

HonestBrother ·
God has always been identified with militarism, at least in the Old Testament Is that so? Really? Perhaps you need to return to your religious studies, young one.... Know one creates pollution, or cuts down trees in the name of God There is a significant political movement in this country that actively opposes environmental regulation (The "Wise Use" movement)... and do so, partly using biblical justification. In fact, these people are all over the current Bush administration. Why not trash...
 
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