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Re: The Arrogance of Men and The Naivety of Women

RadioRaheem ·
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Re: Conservative Idiots

Kevin41 ·
I wonder why there is sooo much laughter when the guy speaks.....I guess it is hard to take a tom serious....when you know their first and foremost motive is to defend the stats quo and their white masters....I thought the term conservative idiot applied here......... My dad's barbershop ...byLarry Elder and personal responsibility -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: December 29, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern Editor's note: The following column...
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Re: My dad's barbershop -- and personal responsibility

Frenchy ·
Larry Elder was clearly kidnapped by the Secret Service and had a chip planted in his ass. Never have I seen a Black man tap dance so fast and furious for white folks. It's like he is reading directly from "The White Man's Guide to Talking Your Slave Out of Rising Up Against You." Nmaginate, Elder is no way speaking to any of us darkies. In truth, whether or not we accept him is of no consequence to him. He wants his white buddies to see this article, pat him on his monkey head, and toss him...
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Re: My dad's barbershop -- and personal responsibility

nayo ·
ROTFLMAO!!!! p.s. I almost, fell for the Elder 'okidoke', until I heard his response to an African American woman (on his recently cancelled television show), who was opining about racism in the U.S. He asked her, why did'nt she just go 'back' to Africa if the racism was so bad here!! I could'nt believe it.
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Re: Why do souls come to Earth?

Empty Purnata ·
Hmmm...that's probably due to Augustinian influence in Christian thought. Modern Christianity took Augustine's philosophy that the material world is something of a "curse", and that physical bodies are crass and disgusting. Many Christian basically view the body as little more than a prison for an idealized fluffy, wraith-like soul. That's why I find Tantric Buddhist philosophy on the soul so refreshing. It goes beyond this Cartesian Dualism of "body" and "soul", and it describes the body...
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Re: Reparations and Poor Whites

James Wesley Chester ·
No. Poverty of others is not a fiat of the administration, the management, of slavery. Reparations only gets complicated when issues than pay-for-work get put on the table. Reparations is about money, and the coercion of labor without pay. Th poverty of others, outside of slavery, was not a consequence of slavery. Many of our ancestors were killed because their enslavement was seen as denying them the opportunity to work. The Irish Riots in New York City in the mid-1800s was a consequence of...
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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
MBM: I am really flattered at the being the basis for so many of your posts. I figured that by now you could at least represent my position more correctly. Founding Premise: Some people reside inside of a system that organizes resources and creates wealth. Some people reside outside of such a system. The challenge is to CREATE a system that generates wealth and a high standard of living for the people that are of interest to you balancing this demand with other values that are important to...
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Re: Reparations and Poor Whites

MBM ·
Sorry, I didn't communicate the point well enough. It's not just that poverty exists, its that because America utilized slavery, it denied poor and working class whites the opportunity to feed their families, earn income, and build wealth. Absent slavery there still would have been an American economy. America would have had to pay the poor and working class folks here. If we can acknowledge a connectivity between the wrong committed to slaves and their descendents today, is it also not...
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Re: Reparations and Poor Whites

MBM ·
To quantify it, if slave reparations are awarded in the amount of, say, $50 trillion - representing the unpaid wages from the slavery era compounded with interest, couldn't poor/working class whites also make a claim for that amount since they would have been the ones to earn those wages had not slaves been imported to do "their" jobs? I'm trying to explore what others think about the point. Is it valid and logical? As well, I'm interested in the implications of this. Does acknowledging this...
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Re: Sago Mine Explosion - Another Bushco Production?

Isome ·
... that would be very bad!! We mustn't talk about political appointments, policy trends and budget cuts that make a bad situation worse. Why that would be NOT putting individual instances into context... By the time the International Labor Organization's Convention 176 was signed: ... mining deaths dropped from 425 in 1970 to 85 in 2000 . And, for gawwd's sake don't click the links (even ones provided by the black-faced lackeys), because they provide that CONTEXT... and we wouldn't want that.
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Re: BLACK PEOPLE IN THE BRITISH ISLES

msprettygirl ·
thank you art_gurl for putting one gay guy in his place. England was very influential in the slave trade from the beginning, so that statement was just ignorant. one gay guy before you make a baseless statement like that you need to check the facts. Span and England in the slave trade: http://beatl.barnard.columbia.edu/students/his3487/lembrich/seminar51.html
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Re: BLACK PEOPLE IN THE BRITISH ISLES

FireFly ·
Some other worthwhile - if depressing - reading is about John Hawkyns, who set sail from England on direct orders from Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth I, during the 1560's bound for the Guinea Coast. His mission: to round up Africans and ship them to the slave markets of Spanish America. According to Nick Hazelwood, who has a degree in history, John Hawkyns was the queen's personal slave trader, and England's first trafficker in the transatlantic trade. .
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Re: Reparations and Poor Whites

James Wesley Chester ·
My first reaction remains, 'No.' The Colonies never established a viable economy without slavery. The forced labor created by slavery enabled the creation and maintenance of the cash crops of the agrarian economy that sustained 'The Colonies'. You will recall the economy of The Colonies, from the early 1500s to early 1600s, was hunting and trapping. Furs of various kinds was the cash crop. Slavery enabled all of the European Colonies in the Western Hemisphere. All the 'poor 'whites' you pose...
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Re: Playing with Americans left and right hands on reparation.

MBM ·
Quoted from the article, these are things that Republicans are suing Democrats for: It's pretty pathetic that this is the best that black conservatives can do. The fact is that above and beyond any party affiliations, it is conservative ideology that was behind everything listed above. What does that say about conservatives that they are attacking Democrats because of their previous conservative positions?
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Re: Afrocentric versus Eurocentric

Fine ·
Yes. ------------------- Dusty Elbow: We "can" very well talk about Americas slavery and there is alot to talk about: Connecticut Military Law, 1784--forbade blacks from serving in military First Naturalization Law, 1790--congress declared US a white nation Federal Militia Law, 1792--only whites could enlists in peacetime militia Fugitive Slave Law, 1793--protected slaveholders rights, discouraged blacks from running away Virginia Migration Law, 1793--forbade free blacks from entering that...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

HonestBrother ·
What in the Bible forbids the owning of slaves?It's acknowledged as a practice in both the New and Old Testaments. And nothing I'm aware of forbids the practice per se. You might argue that the Bible would enjoin Masters to treat their slaves well. But what forbids them from owning slaves to begin with? See the Pauline Epistle Philemon, in which an escaped slave is encouraged to return to his owner and the owner is entreated to be forgiving. Nothing there condemns slavery. If anything,...
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Re: Reparations & The LIGHT(er) SKINNED...

Isome ·
*sigh* This is tragic! *lol*
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Re: Reparations for Native Americans?

Nmaginate ·
While it's clear you wanted those to be two related questions, one clarifying the other... it's clear those are two separate questions with two different answers. As you've had to concede, Native Americans have, to some extent (even in a woefully inadequate sense) "received" Reparations. Evenso, it's clear Native Americans haven't been adequately compensated. That goes without saying especially since I've already said it. As to whether a Reparations victory for African-Americans would aid...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

HonestBrother ·
What in the Bible forbids the owning of slaves?It's acknowledged as a practice in both the Old and New Testaments. And nothing I'm aware of forbids - or even condemns - the practice per se. You might argue that the Bible would enjoin Masters to treat their slaves well. But what forbids them from owning slaves to begin with? See the Pauline Epistle Philemon, in which an escaped slave is encouraged to return to his owner and the owner is entreated to be forgiving. Nothing there condemns...
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Re: Sago Mine Explosion - Another Bushco Production?

Isome ·
Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao, a woman of color , used the expected rightwing half-truth tactic to defend the administration's record on mine safety enforcement. She said that federal inspectors had "increased their inspections [at the Sago mine] by about 84 percent." That's only half true . Though inspectors increased their inspections at Sago, what Chao didn't say was that the inspections clearly documented the unsafe conditions at the mine: Nearly half of the 208 safety citations levied...
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Re: BLACK PEOPLE IN THE BRITISH ISLES

FireFly ·
Ignatius Sancho (1729-1780) (excerpts only) From African Slave to Composer & Author Born on a Slave Ship Near Guinea, West Africa Ignatius Sancho was one of the few Africans in 18th-century England to become a member of the middle class, highly literate and an amateur musician and composer. Birth Ignatius Sancho was born in 1729 on a British slave ship near Guinea, West Africa, enroute to the Spanish West Indies. He was orphaned in infancy. Ignatius Sancho: An African Man of Letters is a...
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Re: Bush Selects Alito for Supreme Court

Kweli4Real ·
Is anyone following the confirmation hearings? I was reading the GOP list of witnesses for Alito when I came upon this: I find it interesting that Kirsanow is a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights AND a partner in a law firm whose labor/employment law section [where he practiced] is widely known for its union-busting and aggressive, employee-hostile tactics.Kirsanow will be in the 5th panel and is a "discrimination is a thing of the past" civil rights
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

Melesi ·
HB, Yes, the northern abolitionist movement included people who were not Christians, but that really is beside the point. Wiliam Wilberforce in England was a Christian who almost a hundred years before the American Civil War spearheaded the British abolitionist movement. Christians here were encouraged by his success and worked very hard to abolish slavery all through the country. It's what led to our Civil War, you'll remember. They worked with many who were not Christian, but they worked...
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Re: Remember The Past So As Never To Repeat It!

Dusty Elbow ·
It took quite an abyssmal imagination to create these depictions followed by relentless brutality of injustices. We dont see them but they are circulating in the world of someone's imagination. Just waiting for the time and place to erupt. Your thoughts become action. - 'wise' slave ancestor
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Re: Remember The Past So As Never To Repeat It!

FireFly ·
Yes, I've been to this site before and l learned a lot. IMHO, it's an especially good site to point white people to for a bit of education and perspective. Another thread that may be of interest is: Hannah Valentine and Lethe Jackson Slave Letters, 1837-1838 From the Campbell Family Papers An On-line Archival Collection Special Collections Library at Duke University http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/campbell/
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Kevin41 ·
Affirmative Action: Who Benefits? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contents A Policy That Suffers an Identity Crisis Answers to Frequently Asked Questions About Affirmative Action Where Do We Go From Here? Bibliography -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Policy That Suffers an Identity Crisis Few social policy issues have served as a better gauge of racial and ethnic divisions among the American...
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Re: Black Men and the "Criminality Gene"

Black Viking ·
This is the biggest and most foul pile of BS ever to come out of a criminal justice system. Before this garbage, crime statistics were the biggest. People like to use crime statistics to prove that blacks are pre-disposed towards crime. But crime statistics are NOT records of crimes, the ARE records of convictions. That's all, nothing else. The only thing that crime statistics prove is who's going to prison. It doesn't even come close to a record of crimes being committed. There a millions...
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Re: Black Men and the "Criminality Gene"

James Wesley Chester ·
As they say, 'This is really chilling.' As already observed, put this with the Patriot Act and the prison industry will prey on our children. And I do mean literally. PEACE Jim Chester
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Re: Question for Kresge?

Rowe ·
The following passages are excerpts taken from author Rosemary Radford Ruether's, Sexism and Godtalk: Toward A Feminist Theology . Woman, Body, and Nature: Sexism and the Theology of Creation 1) "The establishment of this relationship between male and female spheres depends not only on males as definers of culture but also on the burdening of women with most of the tedious, day-to-day tasks of economic production. Males become a leisure class with relatively little to do but decorate...
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
NOT another RONALD REAGAN KICKED OFF HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IN PHILADELPHIA MS claim. I have posted the TEXT AND VERSE OF HIS WORDS several times and asked anyone to detail for me the RACISM in his speech there. They all resort to the SYMBOLISM angle in which a visit to Philly MS is RACIST. I went to an Indian Gaming casino in that city. THERE ARE SEEMINGLY NOW MORE BLACKS LIVING IN THIS CITY THAN WHITE. Is it RACIST for me to go there? %%%%% DisHonestBrother: Black people have had a...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

Nmaginate ·
Seriously, you would have to tell me when an actual process of a Dialogue even began, in earnest. And that's the thing. In my thinking, an earnest attempt would require dealing with that one thing that caused us (you and I) some trouble earlier - WHITE SUPREMACY. My view, when talking about Race RELATIONS, there has to be a real conversations about RELATIONSHIPS. Power Relationships. In short, there can be no dialogue when a Slave - Master Relationship, a "Superior-to-Subordinate"...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

FireFly ·
fair enough - I just took that if something had 'halted' then whatever it was had already begun. Keep in mind I have zilch experience and knowledge of a lot of US politics - local and national - just a rough 'outline', so things like Affirmative Action, or when Clinton asked in 1997 'to begin a great national conversation on race and conciliation' that I have a limited view - limited to access on information, limited in viewpoint as an outsider, and a white outsider to boot. I have to ask a...
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Re: House of Representative is like a Plantation...

Faheem ·
You have any proof that this is what she meant? I opined as you did that if she was talking about the Congress relationship with the masses of men and women in America as one of Slave and Master than she is not that far from the truth albeit the analogy still pales in comparison to what our ancestors lived through and that legacy should not be disrespected by equating it with realities far less inhumane.
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Re: House of Representative is like a Plantation...

sunnubian ·
--------------------------------------------- I can't see the difference in whether she said house of representatives, congress, supreme court, republican dominated political posts across the board, same difference; republican dominated and controlled and the neo-republican party is dominated and controlled by racist white southerners. But I guess you may have to have been born and raised in the south and know enough about southern history to know for a fact that post slavery, the south was...
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Re: 4 Unpopular "TRUTHS"... by Project 2019

Nmaginate ·
Ask an intelligent question. I'll ask you a quick one: LATENT EFFECTS? What are you calling Latent Effects and the importance or reason why they will need to be "finally", completely dissolved is... WHAT? Consider this, then get back to me (right from the Project-2019 article): Black Americans must understand that racism existed in 1619, racism exists in 2001, and racism will exist in 2099. Therefore, the critical element is the degree to which racism affects the lives, the liberties, and...
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Re: 4 Unpopular "TRUTHS"... by Project 2019

Nmaginate ·
Or rather by accepting "his place" and then trying to repackage that acceptance as a Morally Superior position. You know, as CON-Feed tries to prop up and infuse his one-sided "Interal Focus" idea as a positive and tries to disparage what he calls the effort "To Have White Folks Change" as a negative... as if his view is certifiably better, more focused, more concerned, more appropriate and more constructive and instructive towards the uplift and forward flow of the Black Community and its...
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Re: Black Unity: Moving Beyond The RHETORIC

sunnubian ·
We would first HAVE to make a conscious decision to be Unified, we would then have to ACT ON THAT UNITY, politically, socially, and economically. One example (among millions) of making a decision to unify and acting on it would be, for example, for African Americans to attend historically Black colleges and universities across America, which would financially empower historically Black colleges and universities while educating masses of Black people in this country, establish a base of...
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Re: Black Unity: Moving Beyond The RHETORIC

Nmaginate ·
First, you have to appreciate the probolems that the mass attendance of HBCU's has, the way you seem to suggest it. It's something that's not exactly feasible, financially or geographically, no matter how much I support the idea. So, what are the incentives to make this happen and to get more African-Americans to go to already struggling HBCU's? Me, I'm in favor of a permanent, "unified" Black Congress of sorts that purposely sets out to house the whole spectrum of Black ideas, philosophies...
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Re: Black Unity: Moving Beyond The RHETORIC

Empty Purnata ·
And with that said, instead of being "Democrats" or "Republicans" or "Independents" or "Libertarians", I think we should create our own parties that address OUR (the Black Community's) particular needs. None of these other parties arddress our needs, and we need to stop giving them our support. Now we can do fusion voting (belonging to these other parties, but support the main parties if need-be), but I think we need to have less membership within them en masse. I'm all for the...
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Re: Black Unity: Moving Beyond The RHETORIC

sunnubian ·
_____________________________________________ ______________________________________________ I couldn't agree more, but then that brings us back to that 'unity' thing, wherein the whole of African America (preferable under the umbrella of your African American Congress of sorts) has to come together (unity) to vote, build political bases, raise the funds that it would take to challange the present laws, discriminate sentencing laws, abuses of power, wrongful convictions, unconstitutional...
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Re: Kola Boof Speaks: Race & Beauty In America

Rowe ·
Sister Kola speaks volumes in her discussion about race and beauty in America. Her thorough discussion about the ways in which the White supremacist concept of whiteness has impacted people globally is reminiscent of the research done by Neely Fuller and Dr. Francis Welsing. I'm certain her analysis has been heavily influenced by Dr. Fuller's United Independent Compensatory Code. Thanks for sharing. Loved it! What is Beauty? Within a world dominated by White Supremacy it is vitally important...
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Re: For the Sistas of AA.org

MidLifeMan ·
I was blessed with 3 mothers – my mother and my two sisters. My oldest sister use to carry me around with her like I was her baby. Unfortunately, my fond memories are few due to the fact that my mother worked, and my sisters are much older and weren't around a lot when I was growing up. I only saw my mother's mother once a year if that. But the thing I love the most and admire the most is the strength of black women. I've watched my mother, sisters, and many other women for that matter, deal...
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Re: What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

HonestBrother ·
(1) Is this taking into account another 100 years of Jim Crow? (2) It's controversial exactly what Lincoln and the Union troops were sacrificing for - i.e., was it to end slavery or was it to preserve the Union? And there were also non-altruistic reasons for white northerners to oppose slavery. For example, many white northern industrialists feared that if the south industrialized that it would have a tremendous competitive advantage due to access to a huge pool of free slave labor. (3) But...
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Re: PBS: Slavery And the Making Of America

Dusty Elbow ·
Cautious about this series. It talks about the slave but not the slave master, what he or she was involved in. Those companies that seem to be the high talk HERE on africanamerica.org for REPARATIONS, etc. If I am a slave I want to know all I can about the habits of my master since I am obliged to serve him or her in mind, BODY [which this series website is all about in my opinion] and definitely not my soul. This series I have a feeling does not do that.
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Re: What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

Black Viking ·
Christ, where do I start... Horsesh*t. There were two major contributing factors to the end of slavery and neither one had anything to do with the good graces of the slave holders. First, at the end of the 100 years war between England and France, both nations abolished slavery as a part of the treaty. They did this, presumably, because the economic advantage of slavery would have undone their stalemate if only one of them had it. But it became threatening for America to be the only Atlantic...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

HonestBrother ·
Blue Collar vs. White Collar can be very misleading when it comes to salaries. Some so-called blue collar jobs can earn more than some white collar jobs. For example, a construction worker - especially a skilled one - can earn more than some desk jobs. I think the distinction is more about the nature of the work. Blue collar is manual labor. It's physical. So I'd call a landscaper blue collar definitely. But everyone knows that a white landscaper is worth more than a brother who works in a...
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Re: PBS: African American Lives

Faheem ·
PBS TO OFFER SPECIAL PROGRAMMING FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH February 1 – February 28, 2006 Alexandria, VA - January 25, 2006 - From history to culture to drama to independent film, PBS features year-round programming both created by and about African Americans. In honor of Black History Month, PBS will broadcast a variety of new and encore presentations that celebrate the rich history of African Americans. The centerpiece for this month of special programs is a four-hour series by Henry Louis...
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Re: Executives' Pensions Are the Deal of a Lifetime

Kweli4Real ·
In another thread, CF cited to spouse abuse in Africa and eluded to oppression in some Arab states. He then asked for the Capitalistic equivalent. Well, CF, here ya go:
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Re: Hypothetically...Ofcourse

HeruStar ·
I mean to me it only makes since. For instance Vince Young, arguably the true heisman, was brilliant in the championship game. Brilliant in the fact that his 4th and 5 game winning touchdown sealed a multi-million dollar deal, and placed the coach on a pedastle. I don't argue that he should recieve any financial compensation, but I do feel that many like him shouldn't have to struggle through K-12 as much, and depend on their athletic ability to be accepted into good schools. God forbid...
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Re: Hypothetically...Ofcourse

HeruStar ·
Please don't let that article detract from the real issue. It's just some FYI stats. The real issue remains... Of the 56 bowl teams, Black athletes got them there. Check out March Madness, and you'll get a similar observation. The NCAA should be more supportive of the black community, seeing as how the black community is a significant source of revenue. The NAACP should be more concerned about the FREE LABOR as well.
 
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