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Re: Constructive Feedback Is Right!!

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
And YOU seem to know the talking points of the WHITE SOCIALIST rather well. You see MBM - you have an open ended heart. You and other fundamentalist believe that you have MORAL SUPERIORITY because you stand for PROVIDING MAXIMUM BENEFIT FOR THE MASSES. How touching. You fail miserably when it comes to the concept of EXPECTING SOMETHEM FROM THE POOR. My wife and I COULD have a 3rd, 4th or even 8th baby. We know that by doing so it would impact us financially, time-wise, housing-wise and...
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Re: 2005--In Loving Memory Of....

Fine ·
Thx folobatuyi and HonestBrother. LOL--I have a revision: AITKEN, LAUREL/78 -- JAMAICAN SINGER BENNETT-SATTLER, JUDITH/54 -- ABUSE AGENCY LEADER BAIRD, HARRY/74 -- BRITISH ACTOR BAUGH, CECIL/96 -- JAMAICAN POTTER BENSON, RENALDO "OBIE"/69 -- MEMBER OF THE FOUR TOPS GROUP BENTLEY, LAMONT/31 -- ACTOR BERESFORD, RANDOLPH/91 -- BRITISH MAYOR OF HAMMERSMITH AND FULHAM BROWN JR., OSCAR/78 -- SINGER/SONWRITER/ACTOR/PLAYWRIGHT CAMPBELL, LITTLE MILTON/70 -- BLUES ARTIST CARGILLE, PETER/41 -- JAMAICAN...
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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

Kevin41 ·
CF...do me a favor and post my quote when you speak on my behalf..and all that bullschit you are saying this morning is obvious..black people have been moving forward and upward for years...but it is funny to watch blkCONS speak in a vainglorious manner then aid white racist right-wingers in decreasing black opportunity. The reality of it is that black people should never have gotten involved with any issue that adversely affect their own...so all the talk is just window dressing to...
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Re: The Effect of Public Schools on Our Kids

FireFly ·
I agree.... this is a really important point and I wondered - from the teachers among you (?) - if this aspect of teaching is ever touched on in training, or discussed between teachers. My other question is, after initial 'teacher training' and beyond day-to-day teaching experience where/how do teachers expand their knowledge? I'm curious... teaching is a mix of psychology, curriculum, staying technology-literate, ideas, and being socially-aware. Corporations have seminars and training...
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Re: The Effect of Public Schools on Our Kids

Rowe ·
Certainly, I've discussed the impact teacher expectations has on students' academic performance in the forum before. In fact, there is a discussion taking place right now about this issue in the Politics forum under the thread entitled, "Are Schools Failing Black Boys?" This issue is also heavily discussed in education programs and textbooks. I'm currently enrolled into Master's Education Program and the subject of teachers' expectations is discussed quite often. However, the fact of the...
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Re: 'No Child Left Behind' - A Thought

MBM ·
First who is Kendred Meeks. Funny that there are NO citations for that person in all of Google. Second, most schools are built with a combination of local, state, and federal funding hence your assumption that building schools somehow reduces per student funding does not necessarily apply. Third, even if per student funding decreased, lowering the teacher/student ratio in some instances might overcome the reduced funding. This is particularly the case when it is part of a planned, strategic...
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Re: The Effect of Public Schools on Our Kids

Rowe ·
Perhaps novice teachers may discuss this issue on a day-to-day basis; however, just like in any other profession, after gaining experience, knowing how to teach students becomes second nature. Sure, that's one of the purposes for attending the workshop: to network with other teachers. Other purposes include exposure to new teaching strategies and better ways to assess students. Jean Piaget (1896-1980) and Lev Vygotsky (1986), both pioneers in the field of educational research, believes...
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Re: The Effect of Public Schools on Our Kids

Rowe ·
Good points.
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Re: Sistah Souljah

powerflower ·
I read the Coldest Winter Ever and didn't find it as profound as a lot of people make it out to be. It is an interesting read and Souljah makes some good points that promote interesting discussion, but before I read the book it was presented to me like: "Gurl, you have to read this. This is the best book I ever read. This book is deep. I think it should be required reading for all young Black women." Maybe it's just that I heard too much of the hype before actually reading the book and that...
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Re: Bush, 'No Child Left Behind', and National Testing

Kweli4Real ·
My sister is a 20 elementary/primary school teacher. She has 2 Master's degrees and is in a PHD program. She tells me that while she supports accountability in general and testing in specific, her two complaints about NCLB testing is that 1) schools are teaching to the test, when they are not testing FROM the actual test. This is "teaching" child what to think not how to think. 2) schools' entire curricula and resources are test directed, very little resources are being spent on music, Phys...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Kevin41 ·
** This is why we must push to educate the black populous. For the last few years, the CalStart program that sends lower-income people to the CalState schools had a surplus of money. While a teacher in that system, I was able to get people to encuorage others they knew to apply for and utilize the monies available. Between that and contributing to black organizations for thelast 20 years and taking young black males to Camp Sigma to learn about self-esteem, acacdemic acheivement and gang,...
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Re: Vouchers ???

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
Please review the 20/20 Special on Education in which they traveled to Belgium to consider why they outperform AMERICAN CHILDREN of all races. Educational funding gets applied to the CHILD and not the school system. The kids are allowed to obtain educational services from any outlet the parents choose. This creates COMPETITION for quality educational services. The problem is that many American educational advocates are seeking to PROTECT THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM rather than EDUCATING OUR...
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

Rowe ·
This statement is incorrect. According to research studies, most students who apply (and are accepted) into teacher education programs are White females. In fact, school systems across the country have and still are reporting a shortage in Black and Latino teachers, particularly Black male teachers. In response to this shortage, school systems have partnered with teacher education programs across the country in an effort to recruit more minority teachers. Please refer to the thread " Are...
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

HonestBrother ·
I can attest to this. I've taught math education courses and 80% or more of the class will be white women. There will be a few black women. A handful of white males and practically no black males.
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

HonestBrother ·
Thanks for the heads up, CF! As a college teacher I now have a warning to be prepared for the * intellectual confusion * you're sending my way. And note the correct spelling of A-C-H-I-E-V-E-M-E-N-T Echoing MBM, you still don't get it. You're not addressing a bunch of failures in this forum. Some of us success stories * are * the result of the supposed fundamentalism you rail against. Another * lesson on leadership * : modify what comes out of your f*cking mouth to take into account who your...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

RadioRaheem ·
My take on Part One:...in bold When elementary school teacher Patti Hairston picked up Monday's edition of the St. Petersburg Times, she braced herself. "I knew there would be negative things said about black women by black men," she said. very interesting, esp. since the writer of the original article was merely seeking the 'other side' of the Essence article. Lori Chung, 28, associate TV news producer, single, Brooklyn Personally, I don't feel the love from black men to black women and...
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

Rowe ·
I think its wonderful that you've signed up for the Junior Achievement program. Rather than simply complaining about the problems experienced by some young people, you are contributing time and effort towards solving them. However, just make certain that you do not forget to inlcude some positive affirmations about young people in your program of indoctrinationin as well. I think the children will be a lot receptive to your ideas of improvement if you would, at times, acknowledge something...
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

Texas Star ·
Nmaginate... Its time. Where are you.. I think you won't admit that it takes you about 3 hours per post! Boo Boo Hiss Hiss.. You're no fun! Rowe, you've made me see the light! I was being a typical woman and falling for the bad guy.. Oh, my. I guess its time to move on.. Humm how about a teacher? @ honest brotha
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

HonestBrother ·
Oh she's seen the light....
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

Rowe ·
What the hell are you doing, he's one of the guys that I like. Get your own man sista.
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Re: Who Should Pay for Reparations? Black Americans... Obviously

Nmaginate ·
And your assessment of "the people who disagree" with me, the ones I "hammer." I appreciate the compliment, though I don't believe I possess anything, intelligence or otherwise, that others do not. And I think your estimation of my expectations (which are, first and foremost, for people to be honest when presenting their views) is off. To reiterate, I don't believe I possess anything in the way of critical thinking or knowledge that others don't possess. Been down this road... Not trying to...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Rowe ·
I've been monitoring this debate, and apparently, both of you are trying to convey a similar message: Be more realistic. Black women: you can't have the Denzel look-alike with a six figure salary. And Black men: You can't have the tiny-figured Halle Berry look-alike who waits on you hand and foot. So I have a question for readers. Do you all think this culture's obsession with mega super stars has interferred with everyday people's interest in the opposite sex? Perhaps our standards are not...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Huey ·
I agree with you that Pam is hotter than Gina...at least physically hotter. The problem is that Pam is dark-skinned (not that it's anything wrong with it), Gina is lighter-skinned, and that when you usually have TWO good-looking black women together (of different complexions), they have to be competitive to a point. Also, the darker-skinned character Pam is unfortunately casted as a "sapphire", a shrewish selfish, inconsiderate black female character. Besides, knowing about the skin color...
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Re: The Elephant in the Room While Black Kids Misbehave? Single Parent Homes

Norland ·
I went to schools with white teachers and white kids. Back in the day, when someone called you names, you could slap 'em with no repercussions. That's no longer the case. One thing, you didn't do was bring the wrath of your parents upon you. My mother was no joke!! I knew what was expected of me and did it. I now send a family member to school who's in third grade. I've been sending her since Kindergarten and will send her brother in August. She gives me no problems and I expect none from...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
Valley Traditional High School is in the middle of a racial controversy. A teacher used a racial epithet towards a student. The word is only six letters long but the impact is far reaching. We do want to warn you that some of the language in this story is strong and may offend some people, but since this story is not just about the "n" word it's also about the pronunciation, we've decided to leave it in the story for you to decide. Murphy: "What did he say to you specifically?" Chavers: "Sit...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

James Wesley Chester ·
"It's understandable the frustration and the anger about a situation like this and we sincerely apologize because it is not our mode of operation, but we do believe that we have sent a very strong message," says Jefferson County Public Schools spokesperson Lauren Roberts.---article This the message literally 'sent' to the public by the school district's afministration. Spokespersons deliver the message of those responsible for the subject being addressed. Here again, we are lookiing at the...
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Re: Poor Children Can Learn

ma'am ·
I think this is the school a kid in my fam went to. If I'm not mistaken, the principal tries to make sure teacher with children have their kids in the school. So they have a vested interest in the school. I'm not sure how she supposedly implemented this. They have a big problem of kids living outside of the district shuttling in. A victim of their own success. If it's the same school, the principal ranted about that during the first orientation every year. Then complimented the parents for...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Jaco ·
It's actually fairly obvious what the most probable situation was. "Nigga" is an widely used slang word amongst non-racist teenagers, I know because I am a teenager. I for one do not have any trouble believing that this word is in frequent use by students in the class in question. In that case, to use the word in a mocking manner, to critique the language which is often coupled with a specific attitude, one which requires teachers to have to remind students to do simple tasks like sitting...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
"GUY" and "Ni@@a" aren't comparable and no teacher with a grasp of LANGUAGE and common sense, much less a critiquing, discriminating grasp, would be so stupid as to view the two as comparable for discipline or otherwise. So, I guess you're given to the idiotic idea that the teacher is somehow justified when/if "The student said it first!" Unreal... Ni@@a is not just another word in the English language. It's not comparable to "guy" or "like", slang or not.No one is ignorant of the meaning or...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

qty226 ·
Yeah, ok.... Youre making this sound as though its ok for you and your (non racist, whatever that means) friends to use this word. Think again!!! I dont use it, and you or this teacher using this word, is out of line!!!
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Jaco ·
Any english teacher knows that "LANGUAGE" is a dynamic syntax, and also that ideas are the essence of communication. Put simply, that means that whatever the two parties involved in conversation perceive the meaning of a word to be, that's what the word means in that conversation. If both parties concieve "nigga" as an informal form of address, then that's what it means in that conversation, DESPITE ANY OUTSIDERS OPINION! This means that the student saying "nigga" first would justify the...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Jaco ·
Air tight? You read that post and thought I used the n-word in everyday conversation and that I condoned its use as a racist term discribing blacks (or in any situation). All I did in my post was offer the point of view that the teacher probably was not a racist. You might have a leak somewhere. I don't object to people who disagree with using the n-word, in fact I agree with them. What I disagree with is the point of view, first of all that the teacher was being racist, when it seems like...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
Maybe you ought to think about your futile attempts at logic before you publish it. Obviously, the meaning "in that conversation" has everything to do with how the "meaning" was received by the student. No matter how the student used the word, the meaning when thrown back at the student, given the way English works, need not be the same. And clearly the student didn't perceive or conceive or receive it as the same. So, again, think before you throw soft-balls of illogic around. Obviously...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
And that's what caused the teacher to be in the position he's in. Idiotic EQUIVOCATING and DECONTEXTUALIZING both the meaning and the life of the word. Just as racist = JUST AS DUMB!! Even there, there is NO COMPARISON. Somehow, you find it hard to compare like things. And none of this is contingent on it being acceptable to you. Bigotry is Bigotry is IGNORANCE is IGNORANCE. That stuff might go for logic where you come from but that BS isn't working here. You can't strip a word of it's...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
Frenchy, you ain't told me schitz!! We can go back to 2005 and you'll still come up short. RHETORIC ain't schitz, Frenchy. Wait, let me rephrase that: Your RHETORIC from 2005 wasn't bout schitz! So I maintain the same then as I do now. Someone White saying "Ni@@a", especially how this teacher went about saying it, given the reasons he expressed, is a CONTEXTUAL situation and, two, the way the word is received is paramount. There is a HISTORY there and a way the life of the word has developed...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

sunnubian ·
___________________________________________ There is no excuse in the world that an educated professional, and teacher on top of that, in charge of teaching and educating minors has for using this word. He can attempt to explain and excuse his use of the word all he wants, but he knows, and we all know that it was his intent to be able to call an African American a nigger and get away with it. I'll bet he's never called a 6ft-200+lb African American adult male 'nigga'---I'll be his better...
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Re: CP Time

Rowe ·
I'll never forget one occasion when the first grade students at my school were scheduled to take a field trip to the Children's Museum. Teachers are expected to arrive at my school at 8:15 a.m. Most days, I arrive to school before this time. Well, another first-grade teacher, a bossy White woman, who I suspected was time-obsessed, wanted all the first grade teachers in the school to arrive at the time that she thought would be appropriate to prepare for the day's field trip. I arrived to...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Jaco ·
Wow, good arguing guys. Good points I've read - he wouldn't insult someone who could kick his ass, so it's certain that he would seize the day and insult someone who couldn't (impeccable logic) - juke joints aren't always whorehouses, thus proving that anyone under the age of (whatever) has no clue about what they're talking about (extra points for recognising the key essentials to my post) - Nmaginate's parody of the interview, simply rife with meaning - QTY's quick quantam leap in...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

nayo ·
"My point is simply that the same people who leap to the conclusion that he was being intentionally racist, use the n-word in everyday speech in a non-racist fashion. Italians don't call themelves whomps, Japanese people don't say Nip's, etc etc."" ------------------------------------------ The teacher was wrong. I never use the word. I teach at the university/college level, and there many student's in the '13th' grade, who remain immature and oblivious to decorum. They curse, yell, shout,...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Black Viking ·
Your missing the point here. A white man cannot use the word nigger in a non-racist fashion. The weight of history is behind that word. This has nothing to do with anything. Who cares what Italians and Japanese do or don't call themselves? And Whomp and Nip don't have any where near the historical significance of nigger. Don't mix apples and oranges. How do you not understand the lack of logic here? Listen carefully, If I choose to insult myself, that does not give you or anyone else leave...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
Okay, let's see you do some street-corner comedy doing the same thing. But, as I have to tell people coming from lame angles like yours pretty often... you SELF-FUCKED (i.e. CONTRADICTED yourself). Here you are betraying what you said before in order for your CIRCULAR REASONING to work. You said: Put simply... whatever the two parties involved in conversation perceive the meaning of a word to be, that's what the word means in that conversation. To which I countered: Obviously, the meaning...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Omega4ul ·
What if the teacher was Black?? I am sure if the teacher was Black this would not be news, and you probably would not care. This is a very serious issue that 'WE' need to fix. Pop culture is Black! All the popular music and TV shows involve Blacks people in some entity. If the word 'nigga' is used so freely in 'pop culture' it gets adopted by all. 'WE' need to stop this. I love the Dave Chappelle show, Boondocks, pretty much all black movies (I just love black people) and we use the word too...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Black Viking ·
What if? That is not a safe assumption, IMO. A teacher is required, certainly in a public school, to set a better example than this. I would take issue with a Black teacher using this word with a student. But, a white teacher using this word with a Black student is an entirely different ball of wax. When the word nigger comes from a white person it is derogatory, subjugating, and inflammetory. And he did this in public, in front of other students, which to my mind just throws gas on the...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Jaco ·
I lied when I said that was my last post. http://haacked.com/archive/2004/02/06/169.aspx There's your comedy show. " " In any case, to repeat myself again, I'm not trying to get you to say it's ok for me or any other person to use the n-word. I'm letting you know I don't take this kids sob story seriously because he had obviously heard the word from his peer group before, without bringing up a huge scandal. English teachers do crap like this all the time. My english teacher counted incorrect...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Kweli4Real ·
So Jaco ... Using your logic, you'd be okay with someone outside of your immediate peer circle, including an adult in authority telling you to sit down "Bitch" or "Fag" or "Asshole" ... Because you and they have heard it used in your peer circle, even by you? You'd run your little teenage Canadian ass to the nearest snitching post to have that adult's head. How is this even relevant? What part of cultural loaded word/phrase don't you understand? The above nonsense clearly demonstrates that...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
IRRELEVANT!!! And everything else you're "trying" - i.e. displaying - with your lawn chair logic is IRRELEVANT as well. Now, whoever you thought you were talking... Where did they(I) say, "You're trying to get us(me) to say it's ok for Whites(you) to use the N-Word." Logically, you can't get that out of anything I said, for certain: The thing is, it's really telling when people like you make an issue out of and try to justify Whites using the N-Word. That is, indeed, what you've "tried" to...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
Now, this clearly displays your lack of logic or anything that can credibly be called an objective view of the situation. The students "sob story" notwithstanding... There is still the clear, blatant, obvious and absurd SOB STORY of the teacher that you don't and haven't scrutinized. Instead, you talk about some IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT about "English Teachers" without addressing this English teacher and analyzing what he said and the clear SOB STORY he tried to pawn off. Again, you've shown how...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Jaco ·
I've told you what I think, you've had a load of fun attacking that, now heres something you can attack and possibly get somewhere. Why I think it. The only uninterested party who is credible, is the one who's opinion decides nothing, and has nothing to gain or lose by the situation. We only have two opinions as to the teachers intent (excluding the teacher as he obviously has the most to lose and is directly involved). 1) We have the negative opinion of someone who was in conflict with the...
 
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