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Re: Vouchers ???

Nmaginate ·
I want to know how is it that few people link the current day Voucher Movement with its historical predecessor. With all the anti-school desegregation machinations where Whites tried to get government funding for their private schools... I'm like trying to see how come that RACIST history is ignored or forgotten.
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Re: Vouchers ???

Sweetwuzzy ·
Do you think the vocher movement today has the intention to desegregate ??? If the U.S. models its educational system like Poland or Belgium, most likely American schools will be segregated, but the segregation probably will not matter, because poor performing schools will be shut down, and the students from the poor performing schools will be put into educatinally better schools.So the children from poor performing schools will not be left hanging.
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Re: Vouchers ???

James Wesley Chester ·
Is having schools compete for students beneficial to childrens education ???---Sweetwuzzy Yes. As I said on another current thread, by MBM I think, that very competition is the only leverage (money) that can force a change, and improvement hopefully in the current construction of our public school system(s) I also think Nmaginate's point is key. Why is it we don't 'jump on' the petitions for federal funding of the private schools that enable European kids evade the requirement for...
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Re: Vouchers ???

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
Please review the 20/20 Special on Education in which they traveled to Belgium to consider why they outperform AMERICAN CHILDREN of all races. Educational funding gets applied to the CHILD and not the school system. The kids are allowed to obtain educational services from any outlet the parents choose. This creates COMPETITION for quality educational services. The problem is that many American educational advocates are seeking to PROTECT THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM rather than EDUCATING OUR...
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Re: Vouchers ???

Sweetwuzzy ·
Thats exactly what I said. The money is attached to the child . And this creates competition.
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Re: Vouchers ???

Sweetwuzzy ·
I agree. Why does it matter if white kids(or any kid of any race) evade integration of public schools??
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

Nmaginate ·
Yes, READING IS FUNDAMENTAL... And you have yet to show compentency in even the most rudimentary, pre-school level material. The first thing you need to do is figure out who the fuck you're talking about. At first you said: White Socialist leaning individuals Now, you're trying to pawn off this BS idea (i.e. something you're more or less making up as we go) of: WHITE LIBERAL RACIST First, let me say: TO HELL WITH YOUR BS "Who's The Better WHITE MAN Game." I don't give a single, solitary fuck...
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Re: Vouchers ???

Nmaginate ·
I don't think either JWC or SweetWuzzy quite got Nmag's clear point. With all the anti-school desegregation machinations where Whites tried to get government funding for their private schools... I'm like trying to see how come that RACIST history is ignored or forgotten. To answer Sweet... The intention is for Whites to obtain government subsidies for their private school perogatives. The problem and even the reason for concern over integration is how it is an American Social/Political Fact...
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Re: Vouchers ???

Empty Purnata ·
Now there is no debating that. Anyone who tries to deny the fact that "school vouchers" have a racist past, and most likely a racist modern-day intent, have their heads buried in the ground. Of course, many White racists will deny it to the end, and their Black-faced, chicken-eating, greasy-grinnin', coon-shuffling lackies will follow them to the ends of the Earth and beyond.
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

MBM ·
I'm not sure what you are asking. Clearly there is a positive correlation between consumer debt and bankruptcy. That that correlation increases exponentially with greater debt is intuitive. What specifically are you asking? "consumer depreciation business"? Are you just noting that consumers are, on average, buying more "stuff" now than before and financing it with consumer debt? Are you inferring that the whole idea of the American Dream is something that is designed to advance consumerism...
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Re: Vouchers ???

Isome ·
John Stossel has been a right wing shill for as long as he's been a part of 20/20. NOT showing both sides of the story is his modus operandi. excerpted from the book Banana Republicans How the Right Wing Is Turning America into a One-Party State by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber Jeremy Tarcher/Penguin, 2004 The career of John Stossel on ABC's 20/20 offers another example of the way the echo chamber works to place conservative ideas into the mainstream media, while hiding the interests of...
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Re: Vouchers ???

Isome ·
The competition argument doesn't fly. It's bogus from top to bottom, unless schools are going to be changed to for-profit entities, "competition" does nothing. If the change is what's being suggested however, then the proponents of "competition" have not considered the logical chain of events, which includes refusing admittance to the "least among us", in order to maintain or boost student performance and increase profits. ...public school districts in Los Angeles, Baltimore, Dallas,...
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Re: Vouchers ???

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
Little fella is so worried about what THE WHITE MAN is doing that he can't bring himself to focus on WHAT BLACK FOLKS ARE DOING or NOT DOING. You know I just don't understand some of you. Particularly the AFRO-CENTRIC TYPES . For so, so, so long we heard that A BLACK CHILD WILL NEVER LEARN IN THE WHITE MAN'S PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. This Black kid will ALWAYS be indoctrinated by THE WHITE MAN'S HISTORY, the White man's style of learning that is enforced. When these same people HAVE THE...
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

Rowe ·
This statement is incorrect. According to research studies, most students who apply (and are accepted) into teacher education programs are White females. In fact, school systems across the country have and still are reporting a shortage in Black and Latino teachers, particularly Black male teachers. In response to this shortage, school systems have partnered with teacher education programs across the country in an effort to recruit more minority teachers. Please refer to the thread " Are...
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Re: Vouchers ???

Nmaginate ·
Yahoo!! PUSSY!!! Over << here >> PUSSY!!! Man, I feel like the Gap Band singing, "You Can't Keep Runnin'"... But your PUNK ASS is full of sprints. Why is it that RHETORIC is the only and best tool in your busted ass tool box, CON-Feed? Never the one to engage. So you just BULLSHIT! Now, let's have it. What is the source of your Flailing, Grasping ISSUES? You obviously will never understand or submit to comprehending ENLISH!!! What's up with this connection you're trying to...
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

umbrarchist ·
That is an interesting sentence. What is the reality of a dream, any dream? I don't give a damn about any dreams. I am talking about understanding reality and manipulating it into a more desireable future reality. The future is coming and will enentually be the current reality, but what it will be like depends on decisions we make and actions we take today. But our decisions depend on our understanding of current reality. That association between income and security for instance. There are...
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

Sandye ·
IMHO, we should be striving to become a unified, self-sufficient African American community. We should encourage and support small individuals who have the potential to be the next Donald Trump or Bill Gates. We should establish more of our own banks, improve our urban "blight", develop business and professional incubators to enable us to decrease our dependency on those who seek our demise rather than our growth. Education is certainly key to self-sufficiency and we should strive to...
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Re: Vouchers ???

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
What GROUNDS do you have for any of these statements MBM? It seems to me that you seek to protect the current public school distribution system beyond the impact that SOME of them have on the kids that are attending them. Years of promises for change seems to still pacify you today.
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

HonestBrother ·
I can attest to this. I've taught math education courses and 80% or more of the class will be white women. There will be a few black women. A handful of white males and practically no black males.
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Re: Vouchers ???

DogBreath ·
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sweetwuzzy: After reading Sowell's article, I clicked on his link to the Rose and Milton Friedman website. What is everyones position on vochers? Why are you for or against it ? Please do not resort to petty attacks such as "sell out," "Kneegrow," or Uncle tom !!" I really want to know how everyone feels about this?? I do not know if you saw this, but John Stossel did a show called "Dumb in america." I was a little annoyed how the show did not present both sides...
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Re: Vouchers ???

umbrarchist ·
It recently occured to me there could be another option with these vouchers. Suppose the kids came in to be tested every two months and as long as they remained above average they don't have to come to school. Tell them what books cover the material that will be on the tests and let them do what they please. If the kids have passed all of the tests at the end of the school year and haven't spent the vouchers with any schools or tutors then they can cash them in and keep the money. I bet you...
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Re: Vouchers ???

James Wesley Chester ·
I guarantee you that black children will suffer the most from the voucher system. Keep in mind that private schools can be very selective when it comes to admissions. They DON'T have to take any and all comers. If a child tries to gain entry from a low performing school and brings with him/her a discipline record as long as a cafeteria table, do you actually believe they will allow said student to walk their hallowed halls?? Nope.---DogBreath Rather than 'naysay' the thing, why not take the...
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
Texas Star: UNITITY alone is not what we Black folks need. The dominant Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundamentalist wants UNITY with ALL OTHERS dropping what they believe and rallying around their flag. They alone know all about Black folks and everyone else is wrong. I WANT UNITY BEHIND OBJECTIVES AND THEN METHODS TO ACHEIVE THEM THAT ARE PROVEN TO WORK. Prove that what you preach is EFFECTIVE and I will be the biggest cheerleader. Instead we have folks who run off of the notions of...
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Re: Vouchers ???

DogBreath ·
Rather than 'naysay' the thing, why not take the constructive route? With an assured tuition, enterprising African American-American now have a viable opportunity to create a school(s) for their own children in a construction they approve, and pay for. PEace Jim Chester[/QUOTE] That sounds good in theory....for real....it does. But do you actually believe that the powers that be would allow black folk to form their own institutions with taxpayer dollars?? Shucks, some are still complaining...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

RadioRaheem ·
EVEN MORE!! http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/02/Floridian/More_responses_to__Do.shtml More responses to "Do Black Men Still Want Us?" Spirited comments about romantic options and worries Letters to the Editor Published October 2, 2004 Where is the love? A magazine asks whether black men still desire black women. Eight men offer their answers. Black women speak out Earlier this week, African-American men answered women's question "Do Black Men Still Want Us?' Now women discuss their romantic...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

RadioRaheem ·
My take on Part One:...in bold When elementary school teacher Patti Hairston picked up Monday's edition of the St. Petersburg Times, she braced herself. "I knew there would be negative things said about black women by black men," she said. very interesting, esp. since the writer of the original article was merely seeking the 'other side' of the Essence article. Lori Chung, 28, associate TV news producer, single, Brooklyn Personally, I don't feel the love from black men to black women and...
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Re: Who Should Pay for Reparations? Black Americans... Obviously

Nmaginate ·
More like have enough self-respect and self-esteem as to not discredit his/their own intelligence by thinking dumb shit like that will fly. At least make a more compelling case, if there is one... (Oops! There isn't one). It's really sad and I sorta feel sorry for people who have problems saying things beyond the little juvenile simplistic, half-a-first-thought ridiculous ideas they think would or should resonate. Here's a short list of this Child's Themes (with him thinking he's talking to...
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Re: father claims rights denied

Frenchy ·
What a complete joke. Unless those kids live with you, you are not buying them all that they need to survive and thrive. If it pains you to not have those gifts deducted from your financial obligations, then stop buying the stuff and just give the checks. Sometimes I wonder if people like this were ever in the picture. It's like they don't have a full comprehension of how expensive it is to raise children... like they don't know that children need things daily, they don't follow some kind of...
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Re: 4 Unpopular "TRUTHS"... by Project 2019

Empty Purnata ·
Such fucking tripe. "If God chose to eliminate racism....." FUCK YOU! (not you, the other guy) So what's the excuse for the majority of White Aemricans only making $40,000 a year? Why is it that so many White students who are barely passing get into college easier than high-scoring Black students? Blacks score lower on tests because they are poor (Standardized tests are a poor way of judging intelligence, if that's what the racism-downplayers are getting at; there's that racism out of...
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Re: 4 Unpopular "TRUTHS"... by Project 2019

umbrarchist ·
I agree with all four somewhere between 70 and 90%. There are probably things Whites could do but they wouldn't if they had the brains to figure them out so it doesn't matter. The next thing is the education business. What exactly is meant by education and how is it done? I defined it as the acquisition of relevant knowledge on another site and linked to it from here but I haven't seen any comments. I payed Whitey $4400 for two years of Electrical Engineering in the early 70s. I didn't get a...
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Re: For the Sistas of AA.org

Fagunwa ·
During the first couple of years of our marriage money was very scarce. I was in grad school and driving a cab in New York. My wife was in school and working in a day care center. We would meet up for dinner and well you know. One night I came home and the lights were off, candles lit, dinner on the floor. Wifey said she wanted a romantic dinner, no TV, no radio just our own sounds. Found out years later the electricity was cut off and she didn't want me to worry. My mother is the proudest...
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Re: 4 Unpopular "TRUTHS"... by Project 2019

Nmaginate ·
Well, Kevin... when that "White Boy", a self-professed CONservative, quoted this line from Project 2019, I exposed him and his whole entire charade and scheme. He latched onto this Project 2019 (and quotes Larry Elder, Star Parker, Williams, McWhorter, etc.) and tried to celebrate saying silly shit like "Black Leaders agree with me" even after I've broke his ass down several months ago where he put his tail between his legs and just cried uncle: "I'm done with "race"..." Well, something...
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Re: We lost almost a full percentage in IT workforce count over 9 year period

umbrarchist ·
The car is an asset. The house is an asset. The car would be an asset that just about certainly depreciates. The house could be an asset that appreciates but not necessarily. There can be market appreciation and physical depreciation. Have you ever had a roof leak and had to pay for a new roof? In order to realize that appreciation you must mortgage or sell the house. If you mortgage you take on a liability and must pay every month. If you sell, where do you live? Net worth applies to the...
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Re: For the Sistas of AA.org

Rowe ·
Awesome stories!
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Rowe ·
I've been monitoring this debate, and apparently, both of you are trying to convey a similar message: Be more realistic. Black women: you can't have the Denzel look-alike with a six figure salary. And Black men: You can't have the tiny-figured Halle Berry look-alike who waits on you hand and foot. So I have a question for readers. Do you all think this culture's obsession with mega super stars has interferred with everyday people's interest in the opposite sex? Perhaps our standards are not...
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Re: Plane Hits Building...

MBM ·
Frenchy - I bet you believe that there were WMD's in Iraq! (P.S. you also seem to have gone to the Constructive Feedback School of Reading!)
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Re: Plane Hits Building...

Empty Purnata ·
Alright, now I'm convinced that we DID walk on the moon. The science is entirely possible and I've explained several times over the years what the so-called "anomalies" are. I think people who think the moon landings are a hoax just can't believe that Mankind has come that far and they have a hard time accepting it (I know, it can be hard to take in when you think about it). Making the moon landing out to be a hoax is one conspiracy theory that I think is rubbish (and I generally like...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Huey ·
I agree with you that Pam is hotter than Gina...at least physically hotter. The problem is that Pam is dark-skinned (not that it's anything wrong with it), Gina is lighter-skinned, and that when you usually have TWO good-looking black women together (of different complexions), they have to be competitive to a point. Also, the darker-skinned character Pam is unfortunately casted as a "sapphire", a shrewish selfish, inconsiderate black female character. Besides, knowing about the skin color...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

HonestBrother ·
Within the past year, I - a Doctor - dated a woman with only a high school diploma who dumped me for her convicted felon ex
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Frenchy ·
"If we were all holding out for the cream , none of us would ever get married. At this point, Black women are not even holding out for the possibility of finding someone in the middle . We are reduced down to dating the damn slime just so we're not alone for the rest of our lives." (posted by Frenchy at 6:17PM) Like I said, you aren't reading shit. SO? I never said it was. That's unfortunate and deep, deep, deeeeeep underneath the disdain I feel for you right now, I am genuinely sorry to...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

HonestBrother ·
Remember this???: Frenchy, you don't read your own damned posts. OK. Now're you're putting college professors and artists on the same level as ex-cons. I won't have this discussion with you anymore because I see how * twisted * you are upstairs and I might have to start throwing around a word that rhymes with "itch". You win. I do not want to discuss this anymore.
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Frenchy ·
Man, you have GOT to be kidding me. The world lets you (you meaning men in general) WANT that type of woman without reprocussions. I didn't say that's what you actually GET! OK. Now're you're putting college professors and artists on the same level as ex-cons.[/quote] YOU are the one who has been advocating that women "broaden" their idea of what the cream of the crop is and that we not go specifically for the man who makes the money or has the education. YOU are the one who took offense to...
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Re: Gender-Appropriate Schooling

UppityNegress ·
Great find, Rowe! This leads me to wonder whether or not different races are geared towards certain learning styles. If this is the case, it would be so awesome to have a school that caters to the unique learning ability of our children.
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Re: Gender-Appropriate Schooling

Rowe ·
Wouldn't it! And considering the constant complaints about the education students are receiving in public schools, I think we are steadily heading in that direction. I forsee as many school choices as there are people to create them.
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

qty226 ·
Damn HB........i was using a janitor, as a point of reference. Im going to law school.....that doesnt mean, im looking to marry/date a doctor, lawyer etc.............i do know that there are tons of decent black men, in other professions. But let that be my choice....... To tell a black woman, that she should only EXPECT, this or that, because we cant do any better.....is disheartening. I didnt say YOU said anything......... Im not trying to lump you with other men.......im just trying to...
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Re: father claims rights denied

MidLifeMan ·
And this means that the other parent "complies" with the court order? Just becasue the court says the father has rights to see the child doesn't mean the mother complies no more then when the court orders the father to pay child support that he complies. And it can get expensive taking someone to court all the time to fight for you rights. Any why is that? I'm sure most may say it is not the norm but I watch my brother in law get f*cked by the courts. And he DID provide ALL of the childrens...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

bigddouble ·
I've read every thread you've referenced - I like to see what people have to say, even when I disagree with them frequently. I don't write anybody off (which has been my underlying point with this topic, BTW). Yes, you can do something about it. You can stop being a sheep and following the popular sentiment of "society". You don't know what you have in common with a blue collar worker unless to take the time to find out. You've made some very dangerous assumptions about the intellect of...
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Re: PBS: Slavery And the Making Of America

Jasmine ·
I watched that last year and it was one of THEE greatest programs that I've ever watched. My eyes were GLUED to the tv...it was simply amazing. I learned soooooo much. It really made up for the history that I NEVER learned about during school. I would recommend it to anyone! Thanks for posting abt this Art_Gurl!
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

HonestBrother ·
Folks, I want to be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that the above was intended as a PARODY. A parody of what seems to be an all too common complaint among women. I was in no way claiming to represent the actual views of a real person. But to our ears you ladies do sorta sound like this at times even if you don't use the actual words. Art Gurl, I realize there are many legitimate reasons to date interracially. The statement above was a spoof. In fact, your guy friend's experience sounds very familiar to me...
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