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Re: Should Black People...

Isome ·
No, no, no we should not and are not responsible for them being comfortable. One of the biggest obstacles we face is their propensity to view themselves as the center of the universe and all that they do, think and feel as the norm, or as the normative standard to which everything is compared and judged. Much like spoiled children, they need to learn that the sun does not rise and set upon them. A little discomfort is just what the doctor ordered.
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Re: Constructive Feedback Is Right!!

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
And YOU seem to know the talking points of the WHITE SOCIALIST rather well. You see MBM - you have an open ended heart. You and other fundamentalist believe that you have MORAL SUPERIORITY because you stand for PROVIDING MAXIMUM BENEFIT FOR THE MASSES. How touching. You fail miserably when it comes to the concept of EXPECTING SOMETHEM FROM THE POOR. My wife and I COULD have a 3rd, 4th or even 8th baby. We know that by doing so it would impact us financially, time-wise, housing-wise and...
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Re: Constructive Feedback Is Right!!

Kevin41 ·
**MBM....I guess as an educator I just GIVE black people grades....and the black causes I give money to is just for them to live off of and not invest in their education and futures. I guess my support of affirmative action was not for black people to go to colleges and also be fairly included in jobs that show our historical representation as low...I guess I want jobs and education for black people to not utilize them and sit on their lazy welfare collecting azzes and watch TV....just like...
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Re: FINALLY SOME GOOD ADVICE!!! -How To Get A Man In Four Weeks Or Less - If You Want One

qty226 ·
Folobatuyi, yes women should be held accountable for their actions as well........its just that i find that women are being held to a much higher standard than most men..........which to me is not fair. RadioRaheem......you seem to have a dislike for women in their 30's........and im going to assume youre in your 30's, and not married, etc. (if this is not true, then i apologize). But my question is........what makes you any different, than a woman in her 30's?
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Re: FINALLY SOME GOOD ADVICE!!! -How To Get A Man In Four Weeks Or Less - If You Want One

MidLifeMan ·
From all the back and forth that we – black men and women – do, it would appear that can be said for both sides. One rule I think all people should follow is "Don't ask of others what you are not willing or able to do yourself in return". I always find it funny see a fat, bald, bad dressing brother who has his mind set on dating a super model. We can get a beer belly and look like a dressed up Easter egg but let woman put a little baby weight and men are ready to trade them in. And then you...
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Re: Should Black People...

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
IN THE CONTEXT OF COMMERCE - YES. We should show them that it is safe to SHOP in our communities so that they can HAND US THEIR MONEY. We should show them that a Black business who opens up IN THEIR COMMUNITY is going to provide the best service - SO THEY CAN HAND OVER THEIR MONEY TO US. We should have our schools in working order where they will attempt to TRANSFER INTO OUR SCHOOLS in order to give THEIR kids an early exposure how COMPETITIVE the real world is and that they need to be...
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Re: Should Black People...

Empty Purnata ·
CON-Feed: "Yes'suh boss! You'se can trust me! I'se do right and I'se won't cheat ya or nuttin'!" Question: Why should I invest in White commerce? They should be just as obligated to show ME that MY money is safe in their hands. 1) You assume that White racial discrimination against Minorities in business is well-founded. 2) You are implying that White business is self-evidently trustworthy. And they should do the same with us. But, no, you don't believe in that. The White man can always be...
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Re: FINALLY SOME GOOD ADVICE!!! -How To Get A Man In Four Weeks Or Less - If You Want One

qty226 ·
I guess both men/women can only see their side of things...because of experiences. But i have issues with those that 'want' more than they 'are'. As Sweetwuzzy mentioned..... "Some Sisters suffer from low self-esteem. Society, relationship experts say, teaches that Black women are the lowest on the social scale--what Zora Neale Hurston calls "mules of the world." "Men have a much higher self-esteem," says Moore. "They are taught not to settle. No matter how they look or what age they are,...
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Re: Should Black People...

AudioGuy ·
You are quite obviously mis-named... The "feedback" you have given is useless. How exactly would you propose the we do what you have imagined?? White people are not going to transfer their kids to a majority Black school under any circumstances - no matter how good the school is, that will NOT happen... What "goal" are you referring to?? Many times this is already the case, white people just refuse to believe it... If we just got BLACK people to believe what you are saying, we would not NEED...
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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
MBM: I am really flattered at the being the basis for so many of your posts. I figured that by now you could at least represent my position more correctly. Founding Premise: Some people reside inside of a system that organizes resources and creates wealth. Some people reside outside of such a system. The challenge is to CREATE a system that generates wealth and a high standard of living for the people that are of interest to you balancing this demand with other values that are important to...
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Re: The Bridge: Black Men & White Women (article)

Black Viking ·
Anyone who believes that has never met my ex-wife. I think this has very little to do with whether a person chooses to date black or white. Dating is such a complicated mess anyway, often times it comes down to simple accessability. I have dated mostly white women in my life, mostly because those were the women that were around. I am the last person you will see passing up an good opportunity because that opportunity doesn't fit my perfect mental picture. I am far more interested in her...
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Re: Exploring a Stereotype

Black Viking ·
That is a very good point. What exactly is "hyperaggressiveness"? For one person to be observed as more aggressive than another is one thing. For an entire group of people to be characterized as more aggressive there has to be a standard of aggressiveness. Do whites get to set the standard for everything that we do?!
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
The key distinction is OWNERSHIP AND POWER. Those who have both SEEK TO PROTECT THEIR POSSESSION. Those who don't have them seek to LIBERALIZE the rules and have more of these resources to flow their way. When it comes to international aide and financing the liberalist American sounds very CONSERVATIVE. When it comes to understanding the plight of the Mexican father to depart his family and come to the United States illegally in order to work and feed his family it seems that many of you are...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
There have been plenty of studies done on racial disparities on medical treatment. SOME have shown that even Black practitioners provide a lower standard of care to Black patients. In my view it has to do with the amount of insurance that is available to the individual based on the job that they work, the general standard of the medical facility itself (as compared to one in a more wealthy facility and YES plain ole racism. Michael has documented the tale of shoddy medical care at MLK...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

MBM ·
It is that very self-interest that you describe above that is at the root of just about all of humanity's problems and evils. Either we learn to accept the fact that we're all in this together and that we live in a community of human beings all over the Earth, or, we will continue to exploit and pollute and harm each other to humanity's ultimate demise. BTW - for all of you whp are motivated by scripture, what did the Bible say about "the least of these"? I guess Bush, conservatives, and...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
MBM - I am not sure who is worse between you or Empty in your theory that you can have man transform into behaving like ANTS, practicing 100% socialism above their own concerns. You and many other libs act like ultra-conservatives when it comes to the consideration of sending funds outside of America rather than spending it on your fellow Americans. There are many rich people who seek to keep their money for spending on their own families while people in New Orleans live in RELATIVE poverty.
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Re: calling all fASHIONista men!!

ocatchings ·
I have been into weights and fitness for awhile and b/c of such it was always hard to find clothes that fit properly. I would try to be fashion conscious but........... The current Mrs.Right does all my sclothes shopping for me and does an excellent job if I may say so myself. There is no set standard as she has me in a wide variety of styles. catch
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Re: The Black Commentator vs. The Wall Street Journal

Nmaginate ·
And, since highlighted, African-American views then are, in Taranto's view, illegitimate or rather can only be legitimated when and if White people (a substantial minority of them, at least) hold the same views/perspectives or otherwise agree with so-called "appeals" from Black Folk. Racist Arrogance or no, it is the very imposition of and/or insistence on WHITE SUPREMACY. White Views RULE. They are the norm, the standard bearer - The Measuring Stick. Or so it is implied. I really don't...
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Re: The Black Commentator vs. The Wall Street Journal

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
Interesting. The reason why I posted the article about the realities of life in Pakistan after the earthquake and in Indoneisa after the tsunami is that these people don't have a GOVERNMENT who is planning on injecting BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars into their areas in order to make their people whole and have them to return to a state that closely approximates the national STANDARD OF LIVING. For a country that gets hated upon so much by folks the USA sure knows how to "break a Nigga off...
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Re: The Black Commentator vs. The Wall Street Journal

Nmaginate ·
FULL OF SHIT. WHITE SHIT at that. What the hell are you talking about? What the hell is "The National Standard of Living", WHITE BOY?? And how does that BULLSHIT relate to the reality of things here in America? Note: First, you will have to quantify what the "National Standard of Living (N-SoL)" is. Once you do that, with respect to whatever you're referencing (i.e. whatever it is that makes you call the SoL "national"), you will have to demonstrate how that is what is going on. Don't PUNK...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

James Wesley Chester ·
I almost hate to add to this already clear issue. Almost. Without simple cynicism, there is nothing to be gained by engaging in discussion to 'educate' European-Americans, or European America. Both are 'consciously ignorant', as in invincibly ignorant. We do not owe such an effort to either African America, or America herself. That ignorance, of the European American, is a cultured, and treasured perspective that successfully resisted all efforts to effect change. That 'promised land' is not...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

RadioRaheem ·
EVEN MORE!! http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/02/Floridian/More_responses_to__Do.shtml More responses to "Do Black Men Still Want Us?" Spirited comments about romantic options and worries Letters to the Editor Published October 2, 2004 Where is the love? A magazine asks whether black men still desire black women. Eight men offer their answers. Black women speak out Earlier this week, African-American men answered women's question "Do Black Men Still Want Us?' Now women discuss their romantic...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

RadioRaheem ·
My Take on part two..in bold http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/02/Floridian/More_responses_to__Do.shtml Andre King Great article on the status of black man/woman relationships. I don't think that that is the end of the black man's opinion on this, however. Even though there were a variety of opinions on the subject, most of them seemed little more than simple preferences. And that is what I think all of this boils down to. If I were to date a woman of another race, I would date her because I...
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Re: Who Should Pay for Reparations? Black Americans... Obviously

Nmaginate ·
More like have enough self-respect and self-esteem as to not discredit his/their own intelligence by thinking dumb shit like that will fly. At least make a more compelling case, if there is one... (Oops! There isn't one). It's really sad and I sorta feel sorry for people who have problems saying things beyond the little juvenile simplistic, half-a-first-thought ridiculous ideas they think would or should resonate. Here's a short list of this Child's Themes (with him thinking he's talking to...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

bigddouble ·
Nobody's saying you have to date an ugly or ignorant or disrepectful blue collar brother just because he's a brother . Likewise, a brother shouldn't feel compelled to date an unattractive (to him) sister just because of her education, wealth or career . What we are saying is that a person (man or woman) not having a "professional" job, does not make them less qualified to be a good mate. A college degree is not THE gold standard for intelligence. Ultimately, I think you have to go where your...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Frenchy ·
You guys are all completely missing the point of qty's post (and all the others posts like hers that have come before). Do none of you see the disparity between the two standards she pointed out? It doesn't strike any of you as ODD that it is fine and even considered "rational" for a Black man to want the best looking woman available ("Who wouldn't choose a video girl over a 200 lb woman?" was the gist of the quote, I believe), but a Black woman is immediately scolded (as we see from the...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

HonestBrother ·
I was once a janitor but am neither hump backed nor buck toothed, I don't know too many brothas that date anyone looking remotely like Halle Berry (much less Beyonce), and I don't have a problem with 200 lb chicks...Now the 300 lb chicks is another subject.... Are ya'll sure that the outbreak of brothas dating Beyonce look-alikes isn't a figment of your collective imagination? What a man lusts after and claims he wants is not necessarily what he dates or actually desires. Let's not argue...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Frenchy ·
Two things: 1 - Gambit, I wasn't talking to you. Turn that frown upside down. 2 - HonestB, you're still missing it, baby. Hee hee. It is not that men are going out and dating these "perfect women," it's that it's perfectly okay for them to want that and the same is not true for us. THAT is the double standard. It works like this: In front of a man stands Halle Berry and a random Plain Jane. Man: I choose Halle! Crowd Reaction: Naturally! Who wouldn't? In front of a woman stands Denzel and a...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

HonestBrother ·
Well maybe, baby, you're right. I'm just not getting it. Personally I'd take Alfre Woodard over either Beyonce or Halle Berry. And I just learned she's married to a white guy. Maybe it's just me. I like smart women. And I know if I require both brains and a body like Beyonce I'll be waiting forever... And in the end we're still just arguing over people's fantasies... OK we're arguing over a fantasy double standard. You win. But it still boils down to fantasy. And the only thing important to...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Black Viking ·
Frenchy, I think your the one who's missing it. The double stadard exists because men and women have different stadards. It's perfectly O.K. for men to want women that look like Halle Barry. It's perfectly O.K. for women to want men who look like Denzel Wahington. But, if that's what you want, then that's what you get. No complaining about personality issues that were not taken into considration at the outset. The issue being driven into the dirt here is "What are you looking for?" Are you...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Frenchy ·
And how does this Category A & B theory you have justify or explain the Double Standard that's been pointed out? I don't see how any of that speaks to why it is okay for men to aim for the best but women must remain "realistic" with respect to dating partners.
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Re: 4 Unpopular "TRUTHS"... by Project 2019

Nmaginate ·
I had an actual, admitted "WHITE BOY" drop this one on me. So I decided to share mostly because it listed those 4 central themes, those so-called Unpopular "Truths". As I read *it* all (the "White BOY" stopped at #2 and figured the statement about Standard Of Living would help him) I was like, "This Is Straight Out Of The CON-FEED Reader!" Especially this: Compare that with CON-Feed's favorite hook (among many):
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Black Viking ·
The Double Standard only exists because of the different words being used. The different words being used are the evidence of different standards, not a double standard. If a women aims for the best, what is she aiming for specifically? Is she aiming for Denzel? Why? Is that the best? What this article was trying to point out is that, for women, finding love is about finding Category A. It's not about finding Denzel, unless Denzel fits Category A. Now, is that aiming for the best, or is it...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

bigddouble ·
Frenchy - There were three posts after qty226's response before yours. Which one touted a double standard? Here's mine again: Where's the double standard? There was no scolding. If you set looks aside, how do you know that a blue collar or non-degreed person can't be a good mate for you? Note there have been very few discussions about people's physical preferences, outside of Rowe. We are talking about personality traits. If you know that common ratio of women to men is 10 to 1 on college...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Frenchy ·
I am apparently speaking a different language because you all are still not hearing me. I am not talking about the merits of a blue collar man. There's nothing wrong with a janitor or whatever else. I've expressed that several times now. Please go back and read the quotation that QTY pulled out of the article and her response. Then note your own comments in response, effectively proving exactly what both of us have been saying. Please also note the scenario that I posted. It's acceptable for...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Sweetwuzzy ·
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

HonestBrother ·
We're going back and forth 'debating' whether it is right or wrong to desire scenarios that will rarely if ever happen. The average brotha dating Beyonce The average sista dating Denzel Double standard or not, these scenarios are fantasies ... Media Creations. * Dear Sistas and Brothas, let's get REAL *
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Rowe ·
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Black Viking ·
Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Frenchy ·
For God's Sake! Denzel and Halle are only examples. The double standard plays out in normal everyday life! "What makes you think you deserve to date an attractive attorney?" "That's what you get for dating a 'pretty boy'?" "Who wouldn't choose the girl with the big butt over the brainiac? It's only natural to go after what is visually appealing!" Etc. This is NOT about specifically dating Denzels and Halles. This is NOT about lowering dating expectations. It's not about speicifcally dating...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

qty226 ·
I think a lot of men, dont understand this.........because they simply dont want to. Its really not that hard to understand!
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

HonestBrother ·
You keep waffling here. Are you saying that you want to be able to fantasize about getting these men or are you honest to goodness really wanting the right to hold out for the status-symbol-trophy-husband? Fantasies are free. And you have the right do hold out for whatever you want anyway. If that's what you're about then you just have to ignore what people say. But if what you're really saying is that this what to shoot for then I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for what I'm about to...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Sweetwuzzy ·
I still think you are missing the point. I believe Frenchy is complaining that women get dogged for wanting a particular guy (whether it be "the cream of the crop" or not) while guys are not dogged for wanting a particular women (whether it be the "cream of the crop" or not)
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Sweetwuzzy ·
I agree with you. Some women seem to put men into two categories. This is only going to lead to women being lonley due to excessively high standards.
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Frenchy ·
I'm not waffling. I've been saying the same thing repeatedly. You are just not trying to read what is written. Neither. *Sigh* Black women deserve to be able to consider the "cream of the crop" as a viable dating and marriage option without being lectured about lowering standards/"being more realistic"/etc. I've broken it down into scenarios before, but apparently no one reads them or you can't see past the word "Denzel" without going off on a tangent. Last time. Scenario A Man: I want to...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Black Viking ·
AG, these are not talents, they're careers or occupations, or callings. That's the giant problem me and the other guys on this thread are having with this perception of a double standard. Women are looking for the different occupations listed throughout this thread. Their not looking for talent. But as I and others have said before, If that's what you want then that's what you get. No, men and women are not seeking the same thing! That's why this whole idea of a double standard is silly. A...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

FireFly ·
you call the arts careers? A 'career' in the arts is more like unemployment! They are mind-sets and mindspaces not merely careers or occupations. Thanks for agreeing however that men aren't looking for cerebral talent more external 'talent'. NOT ALL women are looking for occupations, but companions. Not all men are looking for booty uber alles, but a I'd say a heck of a lot are. So... what are you looking for if not talent or a brain.... state your case. .
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Re: Kola Boof Speaks: Race & Beauty In America

Rowe ·
Europe's Love-Hate Relationship With Africa If the concept of "whiteness" has influenced the world, and the goal of White Supremacy is to establish (and maintain) whiteness as THE standard of universal beauty, how do we account for Europe's (of all places) fascination with Black people? How do you account for Europeans', particularly those in the Fashion Industry, love for Native African models like Alek Wek? Considering Europe is the place from which European-Americans come, one would...
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Re: Kola Boof Speaks: Race & Beauty In America

nayo ·
That perspective, gives me cognitive dissonant reflux, everytime. Perhaps the 'appreciation', is more fetishstic(sp), than 'natural' appreciation, which I'm hesitant to understand. I think of Europe's adoration of Grace Jones in the 1980's, and feeling something was 'off'. Not that Jones was'nt a beautiful woman (if not odd), but being that Europe, is the cradle of white supremacy, their appreciation suggests something deeper, more than a 'simple' appreciation of aesthetics. Makes me go,...
 
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