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Re: Constructive Feedback Is Right!!

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
At the end of either process the Black baby is................? 1) Alive because "We know not the womb that holds the king"? or 2) Disposed of? Problem solved. **** Nick Cannon - "Can I Live?" Good thing HIS mother didn't express her "choice" http://www.nickcannonmusic.com/caniliveqt.html
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Re: Constructive Feedback Is Right!!

MBM ·
And therein lies the crux of your problem. You have the inability to understand that life is not black and white, but a pallette of hues. In your world, either something is fed you by a white conservative god, or it is wrong. How curious that your concern for "black babies" evaporates at birth. Where is your care for them as you withold healthcare, education, due process under the law, equality of opportunity, etc., etc., etc.?
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Re: Constructive Feedback Is Right!!

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
And YOU seem to know the talking points of the WHITE SOCIALIST rather well. You see MBM - you have an open ended heart. You and other fundamentalist believe that you have MORAL SUPERIORITY because you stand for PROVIDING MAXIMUM BENEFIT FOR THE MASSES. How touching. You fail miserably when it comes to the concept of EXPECTING SOMETHEM FROM THE POOR. My wife and I COULD have a 3rd, 4th or even 8th baby. We know that by doing so it would impact us financially, time-wise, housing-wise and...
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Re: Constructive Feedback Is Right!!

HonestBrother ·
YOU ARE A FRAUD
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Re: Constructive Feedback Is Right!!

Empty Purnata ·
[Sarcasm] Don't you know, MBM? Pregnancy is God's punishment against women for being whores and sluts! We shouldn't allow for women to have choices over their bodies, God wants men to use the righteous arm of law to decide things for wimmin. They don't need no help once the babies are born. Being single mothers in poverty is God's punishment on them for being loose. [/End Sarcasm]
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Re: Why do souls come to Earth?

Empty Purnata ·
I don't believe in eternal souls, I believe that souls are impermanent essences. My view of the soul is similar to that of a Buddhist, or Aristotle's view on the soul: http://www.answers.com/topic/soul Jesus did not teach that souls are immortal, seperate, wraithly persons either: Jesus taught that the Kingdom of Heaven is not "here or there", but that is "within you". I believe that Jesus' "Kingdome of Heaven" may have been a metaphor stressing something along the lines of...
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Re: Dating Tips (For Men)

MidLifeMan ·
Oversimplified and nothing new. Think Positive? Most men have found out one of life's little secrets – women like confident men. But when constantly faced with dealing with rejection, how long before chinks in the armor start to show. Men have self esteem issues also. I personally think that many of those that appear to have great self confidence i.e. I'm a pimp/player mentality are masking low self esteem issues. I remember a singles network event where a woman shared that she decided that...
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Re: Tolerance of Intolerance?

HonestBrother ·
Thanks, Kresge for your understanding and kind words. It was much appreciated. Fine, I see your point. But I think I'll stay with the original wording. Because, as I see it, my beliefs are an integral part of me. They reflect my life history, the lessons I've learned, and my growth process. They are the intellectual/spiritual expression of my life's journey and personal integrity. * So someone who thinks it their duty to condemn my beliefs (for no other reason than that they're different)...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Kevin41 ·
Thats okay CF...there are many who teach me things on this board, but being that I am fairly academically astute my damn self..I have to separate bullschit from actual learning material...but there is a definite core of educated people on this board who possess progressive thought. I have learned many things in areas of finance, technology, theology, medicine and other areas of academic endeavor. There is a big difference between what those people tell me and those who come in here daily to...
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Re: We lost almost a full percentage in IT workforce count over 9 year period

Dusty Elbow ·
The economic unit model on that picture. Is that a house, our economy or any goods in general? How does the economist come into the picture with this. It looks like depreciation is sneaking out the backdoor. Since there is net worth I googled a search for "gross worth" and a page says they are both the same. Not many pages talk about "gross worth" with google results coming at... Results 1 - 100 of about 726 for "gross worth". (1.38 seconds) with "net worth" googled at Results 1 - 100 of...
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Re: Are You a Racist?

MidLifeMan ·
Prejudice is, as the name implies, the process of "pre-judging" something. It implies coming to a judgment on a subject before learning where the preponderance of evidence actually lies, or forming a judgment without direct experience. Racism refers to beliefs, practices, and institutions that discriminate against people based on their perceived or ascribed "race". Primarily, it refers to an assumption that the human species can meaningfully be divided into races, together with hostility to...
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Re: Impeach Bush?

Michael ·
...More likely the Democratic Party is losing steam, in trouble, losing its following, etc., etc. " Democrats target Alito, but miss the mark January 12, 2006 BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Edward M. Kennedy, the 73-year-old liberal lion of the Senate, did not so much roar as huff and puff Tuesday, as he faced Judge Samuel Alito. He and other Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee who had spent weeks preparing for Alito's Supreme Court confirmation hearing seemed to be shooting...
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Re: Impeach Bush?

Michael ·
...More likely the Democratic Party is losing steam, in trouble, losing its following, etc., etc. " Democrats target Alito, but miss the mark January 12, 2006 BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Edward M. Kennedy, the 73-year-old liberal lion of the Senate, did not so much roar as huff and puff Tuesday, as he faced Judge Samuel Alito. He and other Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee who had spent weeks preparing for Alito's Supreme Court confirmation hearing seemed to be shooting...
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
NOT another RONALD REAGAN KICKED OFF HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IN PHILADELPHIA MS claim. I have posted the TEXT AND VERSE OF HIS WORDS several times and asked anyone to detail for me the RACISM in his speech there. They all resort to the SYMBOLISM angle in which a visit to Philly MS is RACIST. I went to an Indian Gaming casino in that city. THERE ARE SEEMINGLY NOW MORE BLACKS LIVING IN THIS CITY THAN WHITE. Is it RACIST for me to go there? %%%%% DisHonestBrother: Black people have had a...
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

HonestBrother ·
Un-CON-structive Feedback, that's not a claim. That's a fact. Do you dispute its accuracy? Only an idiot would be ignorant of the significance of the statement "I believe in states' rights" within the context of American political life. But then I promised not to call you any names. It wasn't just a 'visit'. It was the first stop in a * Presidential Campaign * to a po dump town only known for one goddamned thing. You know...I almost agree with this statement. I won't lie. I've had my...
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
As I told my frat brother who encouraged me to join "N'Cobra" - I would consider joining BUT since he told me that they have a dual approach - REPARATION FROM AMERICA FOR SLAVERY and THE PROCESS FOR INTERNAL REPAIR WITHIN BLACK AMERICA. I told him that I would BE MORE FOCUSED ON THE INTERNAL REPAIR PROCESS. I would never do anything to stand in the way of the receipt of resources from America in the name of "Reparations" but this seems to me to be very much so less important toward acheiving...
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Re: A Two Way Street by Armstrong Williams

James Wesley Chester ·
This makes me think Williams has gotten 'jacked up' somewhere, and now he is in the process of restructuring. His socio-political currency may have lost a few points in the cultural exchange market. He may be looking for a new hustle. Or a similar hustle on a different street. PEACE Jim Chester
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Re: A Two Way Street by Armstrong Williams

Nmaginate ·
He got "jacked up" when that scandal of his got "smacked up"... (up)side his hankerchief head.
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

HonestBrother ·
My purpose was * NOT * to establish a dichotomy that encapsulated all the options in front of African Americans. As I agree that there are many other more urgent matters. I was * Only * addressing the single issue of reparations. And thank you for answering my question: In regards to the issue of reparations, you're really NOT serious. Forgetting already? : Reading for COMPREHENSION is fundamental.
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

Nmaginate ·
Of course, CON... CON... CON-Feed is not serious. Too much SELF-HATRED to be serious. HUH? Pardon me, but I'd be damn if this motherf@cka isn't back to TWO FRONTIN' again. And can you see the irony? This Negro talks about a Dichotomy while saying, "I'm for one (and not so much the other)." And he dares invokes and praises a "Dual Approach" even as he promotes no such thing. The Definition of TWO FRONTIN'
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

FireFly ·
Thanks for the response and the quote - on the 'surface' the concept of being 'colourblind' can be taken as something positive (by me at least), as seeing beyond race and colour - not pre-judging or discriminating between people - but with closer scruntiny is, agreeably, more along the lines of.... "...that there can be injustice in treating people the same when in relevant respects they are different, just as much as there can be in treating them differently when in relevant respects they...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

Nmaginate ·
Seriously, you would have to tell me when an actual process of a Dialogue even began, in earnest. And that's the thing. In my thinking, an earnest attempt would require dealing with that one thing that caused us (you and I) some trouble earlier - WHITE SUPREMACY. My view, when talking about Race RELATIONS, there has to be a real conversations about RELATIONSHIPS. Power Relationships. In short, there can be no dialogue when a Slave - Master Relationship, a "Superior-to-Subordinate"...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

FireFly ·
fair enough - I just took that if something had 'halted' then whatever it was had already begun. Keep in mind I have zilch experience and knowledge of a lot of US politics - local and national - just a rough 'outline', so things like Affirmative Action, or when Clinton asked in 1997 'to begin a great national conversation on race and conciliation' that I have a limited view - limited to access on information, limited in viewpoint as an outsider, and a white outsider to boot. I have to ask a...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

Nmaginate ·
NO! It is exactly that unbalance relationship that leads to a stalled, halted or forsaken "dialogue." Arguably, people could say Dr. King and Pres. Lydon Johnson started a "dialogue." For sure, a number of common folk or community leaders, mostly educators and religious leaders have had "dialogues." But hardly any thing that can be regarded as a serious "dialogue" where it counts, in the halls of power. As for Clinton's deal, you can research and look for opinions about that "conversation".
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Re: A Two Way Street by Armstrong Williams

Kweli4Real ·
by JWC Maybe Williams is catching on to what most Black Conservatives eventually come to realize-"He be ni@@er, too." The Conservative movement only pays [Black Conservatives] as long as they can be trotted out to the "reasonable white public" as the proof that "See, our-policies-and-condemnations-can't-be-racist-because-here's-a-Black-saying-the-same-thing." [Remember the Ossie Davis character in "Get On The Bus"?] But, as Nmaginate alludes to, when it was publicized that Williams was...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

FireFly ·
My question is do the general public white Americans take the opportunity to ask questions about race of any kind? This may not be 'dialog' but it's a way to begin to find out how other people think. To ask what's it like to be black is a valid question for someone who isn't. It's an attempt to understand another viewpoint. It's a start... not a whole conversation. I do understand the above. I see there being two sides to the process. Clarifying one's own beliefs certainly. And having the...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

Nmaginate ·
Ummm... No, obviously, you don't. And this is exactly why: "I see there being two sides to the process." I'm going to be crude because you're working under the false assumption that Black people need to know something about White people. That's a rather curious idea especially when you say: Very few white people ever think about 'being white' and what that means... white privilege. Hmmm... Black people know White Privilege. What is it you think Black people stand to learn about White people...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

FireFly ·
Only helping white people begin the as you call it "truth-telling". The only thing I "want white people to get out of the dialog" is to listen to and understand what is needed for equal rights, equal opportunities for all people on the planet. In this instance I am talking about African Americans and white North Americans. What do I want black people and white people to "get out of it"? An end the imbalance of "white priviledge" to create a truly inclusive human race. You keep telling me...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

Nmaginate ·
A straight line is always the direct route. Why the detour? Why would White people need to know "What It's Like To Be Black"... why would they need to "listen" to anything like that when you say the object is to End White Privilege? A straight line... Very few white people ever think about 'being white' and what that means... white privilege. Okay. Why isn't White Privilege - i.e. White people taking it upon themselves to examine White Privilege - an INTRAracial Dialog you're trying to seek?
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
Isome: Please detail the ERRORS in my post that you refer to INSTEAD of the points that YOU disagree with? Are they "wrong" because YOU disagree with them or are they "wrong" in absolute terms? It is interesting that when AMERICA talked about "unifying behind the flag" after the 9/11 attacks SOME PEOPLE like Al Sharpton wisely saw the consequences of doing so. (another positive comment about a Black person, HB). He saw the call for UNITY as a call to put aside all of his concerns that were...
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

Nmaginate ·
You don't believe in democracy, PUNK!! There is no way you can talk about the Tyranny of the Majority and be so selective and DEFERENTIAL in your application of the principle... if you believed in democracy. And you definitely don't respect any type of process or any real MEASURING OF EFFECTIVENESS, etc., etc. You just want what you call "Affirmative Action", a set-aside, for your views that eliminate you from having to demonstrate how your ideas are logical, accurate, responsible,...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

Nmaginate ·
Well, ART_GURL, with JWC weighing in as EVERYONE (other than me) *lol*... It would seem that, in all your questions, with all the answers you're "looking" for, with all the answers you've gotten... Well, it's clear that you're just not listening. So, AG? Are you listening? You have been given information, rather freely I might add, about "what is needed for equal rights, equal opportunities..." But somehow, because of some pre-set idea you know you have ("two sides")... you're just not...
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
Little Fella: I have "power" and influence over myself and my family. I have no job as a "Civil Rights Actor-vist", standing in front of a crowd, telling Black folks how damaged we are as a people. You can judge me on that which I have influence over in my domain. I just signed up for Junior Acheivement. I will have the opportunity to get in front of young people and "indoctrinate them" toward my way of thinking. IF my bit of influence upon this kids, mixed in with the greater influence of...
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
Rowe: I don't have the same views as your date. It is not about "working hard". PLENTY of people "work hard". For me it is about CULTURE and the PROCESS for achieving these cultural directives. Many Asian families have the concept of "Shame upon the family". This "pressure" is put upon the kids to have them act in line with some sort of principles and dignity as they conduct their lives. SURELY all of them do not abide by this all of the time but atleast it can serve as a course correction...
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

MBM ·
As I've said many times over, there are thousands of African Americans who are 'doing their thing' in this country - achieving at the highest levels and acting in a way that is unencumbered by the ills that you are fixated on. It's a shame that this part of our community is apparently out of your view.
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

Isome ·
What gave you the nutty idea that anyone here besides Texas Star wants to unify with you? You post without thoroughly reading the post you're responding to. You're the one in the midst of people with whom you express nothing but contempt... obviously you're the one desperate for validation and unification.
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

HonestBrother ·
Thanks for the heads up, CF! As a college teacher I now have a warning to be prepared for the * intellectual confusion * you're sending my way. And note the correct spelling of A-C-H-I-E-V-E-M-E-N-T Echoing MBM, you still don't get it. You're not addressing a bunch of failures in this forum. Some of us success stories * are * the result of the supposed fundamentalism you rail against. Another * lesson on leadership * : modify what comes out of your f*cking mouth to take into account who your...
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

Nmaginate ·
COP OUT!! And your typical Race To The RAT HOLE! I guess you have that thing you call "CONDITIONED HOPELESSNESS." You only have power/influence that only goes so far. You can't do any more than that. You're hopeless. The situation you're up against is hopeless. I mean, you rant, rave and rail against stuff? That you can't control? I thought you had a theory about that. You know, that you don't worry about things and people you have no control over. CON-Feed. It's NOW time for the STOP THE...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

FireFly ·
it's not that I'm not listening... quite the contrary. I am thinking a lot about what it means to be white and white priviledge. And I do ask questions of myself and other white people. It's an ongoing process and I am doing the best I myself can. I am also thinking about what can bring an end to white 'attitude' and develop consciousness about being white as well as how to build bridges that lead to equal rights and equal opportunities for all. I see all of that as quite a large thing to...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

FireFly ·
Quite right, but it is some Australians, not all Australians. Perhaps the most important process that has been stalled is Reconciliation. A lot of Australians want our federal government to say 'Sorry' to the members of the Stolen Generation, and the indigenous population. There has been a century-long struggle for rights for Aborigines in Australia. What has it achieved? One thing is the right to vote. That it took until the late 1960s is outrageous. Another issue is a treaty. Australia has...
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Re: For the Sistas of AA.org

HonestBrother ·
I love Ruby Dee. Her talent and longevity. Her dignified beauty. Her eyes. And last but not least her lifelong devotion to Ossie Davis. Ruby: "How to ride the rough waves in a relation long enough for the waters to get calm? When does it sink in that overcoming difficult times gets easier with practice? How do you drag some of the good feelings, good times vibrations into the stormy places? To love someone long and deep is a "consummation devoutly to be wished"!... It is day by day, one step...
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Re: For the Sistas of AA.org

Black Viking ·
I love all of this. Wow, that's too powerful for words.
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Re: Fasting

Rowe ·
Sister Nubian, thank you for the information about the fasting process. I also wanted to add to your statement that if one were to ball up his or her fist, your stomach is about the size of that. So before eating each morning, the stomach has to be flushed before eating by drinking water. In fact, that is what you are doing when you eat Breakfast each morning, you are breaking a fast of not eating for eight hours. Too often, people start the day by overloading the stomach with heavy foods...
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Re: Plane Hits Building...

MBM ·
Frenchy - your powers of comprehension and discernment are waning fast. Either stop drinking, or start! Here is a scenario: There was a plane. It approached the Capitol. It was shot down . . . somehwere. A missile was purposefully shot into the Pentagon to manufacture the more politically feasible/digestible scenario that was force fed America. OR There was a plane. It approached the Capitol. In the process of shooting it down one missile errantly hit the Pentagon.
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Re: Plane Hits Building...

Frenchy ·
Tis you who should pick up a drink (and a clue). The plot gets thicker by the minute! So now we have TWO missiles! We shoot down the plane for some reason. And then we go on to shoot our own selves at the Pentagon. And then presumably clean up the "real" crash site of the plane and litter the Pentagon with the bodies and fuselage. This sounds reasonable to you?? THIS? sounds better and more realistic than a plane ran into the Pentagon? Weee! Now we have a Smart Missle that is bright enough...
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Re: Plane Hits Building...

MBM ·
Frenchy - you are incredible. I'll post the scenarios again. Perhaps this time you'll READ them. To be clear - there was a plane. It just didn't hit the Pentagon as the scenarios above suggest - AGAIN.
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Re: Plane Hits Building...

ocatchings ·
Not jumping on eiher bandwagon but if one were to use your example, then that would leave wreckage of a large plane somewhere. Given the fact that missiles don't destroy planes it would be even more difficult to "hide evidence". catch
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Re: Black Unity: Moving Beyond The RHETORIC

Nmaginate ·
I don't agree with that and the term "UNITY" gets more vague with every use. Dis-unity would seem to be a function of our situation. So, I see that idea as one suggesting False Causation. The central question is: How do African Americans create a "unity paradigm" that works for the highly stratified "black diaspora?" To merely say "We are not unified and that's what causes or allows our problems to continue" doesn't answer the important question here. Neither does it say what Unity Is and...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

bigddouble ·
DING, DING, DING - We have another winner. I've expressed this in other threads. Everybody can't get the instant dream life (add perfect man/woman & stir ). Yes, it happens, but it's not the norm. Did anybody really read that Ruby Dee quote: To me, it's about knowing that things will never be perfect. It's about finding someone you're willing to love & argue with. It's about allowing yourself & your partner to evolve. It's not about picking a ready made package off the shelf.
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Re: Hamas shakes up Mideast politics

Constructive Feedback (Guest) ·
Lord please help this Kneegrow. First - I support the Palestinean's RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION. Hamas, just like the Sunni's in Iraq have been told to engage in the poltical process rather than violent actions to get their way. Some people played this election victory as a "loss" for the USA and Israel. This couldn't be further from the truth. Second - the media did a report on a Hamas lady who was elected though she had no previous political experience. She sent 3 of her 5 sons to their...
 
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