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Re: College "Education" Is BS

umbrarchist ·
When I said: I didn't mean for everyone else to take a break. The entries to this thread have gone like this: Feb 15 = 4 Feb 16 = 18 Feb 17 = 5 Feb 18 = 2 Feb 19 = 1 Feb 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, Mar 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 = ZERO So when I defend my list and correct the impression that people seem to have inferred that the list was complete, the thread comes to a grinding halt. I decided to let it go for two weeks while I typed some excerpts from Black Men: Obsolete, Single,...
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Re: The Rise of Fascism in America

Empty Purnata ·
At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the flag the military salute -- right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly, "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all." At the words, "to my Flag," the right hand is extended gracefully, palm...
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Re: Marcus Garvey Was A Colonialist

Empty Purnata ·
Marcus Garvey supported a Back-To-Africa movement which supported African-Americans moving to Africa and using Liberia as a home state. Of course, knowing the history of Liberia, this translated to establishing African-American settlements even against the will of the Native West Africans. African-American settlers into Liberia behaved very similarly to European colonialists. They displaced the natives against their will, and used Western backing to establish Western social order.
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Re: College "Education" Is BS

Shango67 ·
I strongly disagree. Those are passive examples of particpation. We need to do much, much, more. The vanguards of the current system need to be out of business. Education is a political event and true educational reform has to be sponsored by the masses. Public school systems in the United States were born from the need to provide the nation with a constant labor force primarily made up of whites. As this nation moved from an agrarian society to a nation where goods were mass produced,...
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Re: South Africa opening eyes of U.S. blacks

4YAINFO ·
It should be the responsibility of each A.A. to visit at least one African nation during their life time. After all its the Mecca of our original gene pool.
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Re: Terrell Owens Finally Released by Philadelphia Eagles

Black Viking ·
I'd be equally happy to see him go to Denver or Kansas City. Both of those teams need a good dose of cancer. Raider Nation!
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Re: Terrell Owens Finally Released by Philadelphia Eagles

EbonyRose ·
Spoken like a TRUE Raiders fan!! I feel ya, Black Viking!!!
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Re: Unity, At What Price?

James Wesley Chester ·
I like the sound of 'African American Nation'. But I am fundamentally against separatism. I am for African America here where it was created and developed, under our flag, under our creed, and retaining the benefit of the investment of my family. PEACE Jim Chester
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Re: Unity, At What Price?

kresge ·
I am having trouble finding coherence in the three sentences in your post. In part, I think that it is because there are certain assumptions at play that I may not share. I feel that I have made sacrifices to pursue things that are of benefit for my community; e.g., time and finances. Yet, I am unclear about such a question in relation to the creation of an African nation. Moreover, as stated by JWC, I am not a separatist, and would therefore not contribute to a program for which that was a ...
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Re: Unity, At What Price?

Kai ·
I would sacrifice everything that I have for true unity with my own. there is nothing more valuable, or powerful as real unity. The sacrifice of what I have, would be immeasurably rewarded. Yes. I would imagine that the plan would include a road map toward prosperity. If the initial stage in the development of this nation required a substantial lowering of the quality of life for the pioneers I would accept this so long as the condition could be changed with hard work. How do you define...
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Re: WHERE DO YOU STAND?

MidLifeMan ·
I agree. I haven't done lengthy research but I wouldn't be surprised to find that people who have been oppressed and truly gained their freedom must not only remove the physical "shackles" of the oppressor but the mental and spiritual ones. The former slaves of this country and we as their decedents have not fully done so. Also, to be truly free these same oppressed people must have control over the economic, religious ideology, and politics of the nation. And the most important part, they...
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Re: WHERE DO YOU STAND?

HonestBrother ·
Iraqis are not in the United States. Are they free? Haiti is a sovereign independent black nation. But their politics have been influenced (usually for the worse) by us from the beginning. Same with Castro's Cuba... Zaire was an independent African nation under Patrice Lumumba... until he was assassinated with the help of the CIA. I could go on... But these are points that I have never heard separatists deal with adequately. Lastly, aren't black folk capable of being oppressive? In fact,...
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Re: Conspiracy, COINTELPRO & Malachi York

Kai ·
Peace... I am not familiar enough with the Dr. York case to say whether or not his trial was fair. However, I do understand that quite often in the history of this nation, the courts are given "under the table" amicus curiae briefs which help the form it's disposition against groups of blacks seeking to declare independence, or the objective to seperate from this country. I am not surprised to see the Nuwabian leader attacked, and removed like he was..Despite what those who have formed...
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Re: WHERE DO YOU STAND?

Kai ·
Peace... I do not think that a change in locations alone will change our minds. I think that establishing ourselves in a separate territory would provide the environment necessary for such a change, however freedom will come to birth once we have redirected ourselves toward who and what we really are. This nation, America cannot afford to see it's former slaves liberated in this manner. Yes. However, while certain cheiftains in Africa were guilty of culpable conduct, they are no longer...
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Re: Unity, At What Price?

Jabbar ·
I would sacrifice everything that I have for true unity with my own. there is nothing more valuable, or powerful as real unity. The sacrifice of what I have, would be immeasurably rewarded. Yes. I would imagine that the plan would include a road map toward prosperity. If the initial stage in the development of this nation required a substantial lowering of the quality of life for the pioneers I would accept this so long as the condition could be changed with hard work. How do you define...
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Re: WHERE DO YOU STAND?

umbrarchist ·
If there are any free minds on this planet they are so few and far between their existence can be disregarded. umbra
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Re: WHERE DO YOU STAND?

Black Viking ·
No, Kai. Freedom is yours, now. You can either accept it, or not. Upon what, do you base this supposition? Are you assuming that the vast majority of black people in this country are not free, based on your definition of freedom?
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Re: WHERE DO YOU STAND?

HonestBrother ·
I might agree with this. Let me throw out as a question to the participants in this discussion: What do you think are some significant indicators of our "lack of freedom"? For example, I might say that we are consumed with European notions of beauty, and hence black women straighten their hair. Nose straightening/narrowing surgery is becoming more common for both sexes, etc. Would everyone agree that this situation indicates a lack of freedom (on the mental plane)?
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Re: WHERE DO YOU STAND?

James Wesley Chester ·
RESOLVED: AFRICAN AMERICANS WILL NEVER BE FREE AS LONG AS WE ARE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.---MBM I will define African Americans as those Americans who are descendants of native-born Americans of unknown African ancestry. Since we continue to labor of this identity issue, say that we 'labor' because we have always been an inclusive people embracing all who of common African ancestry. That is beginning to 'turn on us'. Some people of African ancestry, who are or are descendants of ancestors...
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Re: WHERE DO YOU STAND?

HonestBrother ·
One more time: Will someone please explain to me the ways in which we are not free now... and precisely how moving somewhere else (WHERE specifically is ANOTHER problem altogether) is going to change that?.... I believe in another thread when I declared the need for us to claim our freedom, someone - who shall remain unnamed - had a fit... but is now eloquently quoting Thomas Jefferson to that effect... In case you missed it before: Lest someone give Israel as an example of some folks who...
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Re: WHERE DO YOU STAND?

Mututsi60s ·
You live up to your name HonestBrother. Acknowledging that Shango67's statement was an overstatement yet sticking to your conviction about the over-dominate economic/politic force of Whites and Arabs in Africa was real. The one thing I would add, however, is that there are Whites and Arabs in Africa who are as African as African Americans are American. Imagine if things were reversed, if African Americans, while still a minority group, possessed the majority of the political and economic...
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Re: WHERE DO YOU STAND?

ZAKAR ·
I for people who are always anticipating the fall of the US. I'd be careful. You, your families, your children, all of us ARE the US. The US is not just land and government, people make up a nation and whether you feel you've been excluded or not, when the ship goes down, you go down with it. Instead of stating what many see as being the inevitable, why don't you dooms-day crier's start thinking of ways to save the ship. I paraphrase Eldridge Cleaver when I challenge you to check yourself...
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Re: WHERE DO YOU STAND?

ZAKAR ·
I suggest you look at the situation in the community now, believe me i know what it was like back then, my mother and father have told me, my grandparents have told me. I pass former slave plantations everyday. But my question is, where are we now. Who said not to fight for your rights here? I said how are we gonna fight a system of white supremacy from inside the bell of the beast when we virtually have no power? no one has answered it yet, but instead they again ask me what I would do. I...
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Re: The Bible: Absolute Truth and Nothing but the Truth?

Melesi ·
If the Enlightenment concept of the self is a fiction. It may be, but that line, abbreviated as it had to be for this medium, sounded dismissive of the Enlightenment's concept. While it has problems in its effects, that may not be entirely the fault of the concept. The Bible I think is more communitarian than the Enlightenment was, but it also places moral responsibility on the individual to follow God make the right decisions. Proverbs speaks to the fool, for instance, and wisdom calls to...
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Re: Conspiracy, COINTELPRO & Malachi York

1milehi ·
thanks kai. ---------------------------------- the following article appeared in the 03-23 denver weekly news:
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Re: Illegal Immigration

kresge ·
My sympathies are completely with the immigrants. I am all for opening up of the borders. What we have now are double standards that have nothing to do with justice for poor, oppressed, or exploited peoples. For example: Businesses as well as individuals can exploit many immigrants because of their status. Globally, the economic/political practices of the developed nations is complicit in creating depressed situations in the third world. If we don't like the policies of a nation, immigrants...
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Re: Illegal Immigration

EbonyRose ·
L.A. braces for protest, as Bush addresses 'emotional debate' Pending legislation spurs tens of thousands to march LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- As thousands of people were expected to protest legislation cracking down on illegal immigrants on Saturday, President Bush said he planned to toughen enforcement of immigration laws. "America is a nation of immigrants, and we're also a nation of laws," Bush said in his weekly radio address. "When illegal immigrants know they will be caught and...
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Re: Illegal Immigration

ricardomath ·
Half a million march against US immigration reform Demonstrators march in Los Angeles, California, to protest of proposed illegal immigration legislation. Half a million protesters paralyzed downtown Los Angeles, demanding amnesty for undocumented immigrants and rejection of a proposed law that would drastically tighten US immigration rules.(AFP/Getty Images/J. Emilio Flores) LOS ANGELES (AFP) - Half a million protesters paralyzed downtown Los Angeles, demanding amnesty for undocumented...
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Re: RESOLVED: THERE IS NO BLACK COMMUNITY.

James Wesley Chester ·
'There are just groups of African Americans who interact with each other...'---MBM A further look at this foundation statement makes a subtle, and inaccurate point. The community of 'black' people is more than a group of African Americans. African American-Americans are a distinct, and separate, subset of the 'black' population of the nation. They/we are the descendants of native-born Americans who are/were of unknown African ancestry. The 'black' population of our nation is wide variety of...
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Re: RESOLVED: THERE IS NO BLACK COMMUNITY.

MBM ·
James, to be clear, this question did not intend to explore the nuances of definition or identity that I know are so important to you and others. "Black Community" was used here in the colloquial form to infer/mean "African American".
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Re: Conditions in the Detroit area continue to decline.

Noah The African ·
I don't think that us "ex Detroiters" , myself included, should be looking back on "the D" feeling sorry for its decline and commenting about its decline when OUR ABSENSE only contributes to that fact. As far as I am concerned, as an EX Detroiter by choice, I am not qualified to complain about the situation of current Detroit when I could be making a difference there. That having been said, the answer to your question lies in why are we "EX" Detroiters if we love the city so much? Obviously...
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Re: Boortz: Rep. McKinney "looks like a ghetto slut"

ZAKAR ·
I see it all too clearly, if you really look at it honestly it basically boils down to common sense. The whole history of this Nation and this global european capitalist system was from its inception designed to allow rich European men to control and dominate all the Worlds natural resources and labor. The process of Slavery, Colonialism and Now NeoColonialism are mere phases in the grand scheme of "One World Dominance"
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Re: I don't mind immigration..It's the political double standard I hate!

bigman ·
it will never change it easier to kill them all than letting those people of african decent can't ya'll see what is going on in haiti american military killing there and in africa usa funding young men with guns and machetes to kill their own.
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Re: First Reaction...

Black Viking ·
1. I need : Consistant balance 2. Sex : Celibacy sucks... God help the woman who breaks this dry spell! 3. Relationships : Bad ones blow. Good ones swallow. 4. Your Last Ex : God be with her, because I won't be. 5. Power : Self-control. 6. Marijuana : Ahhh! Those were the days! But, it's time is long passed. 7. Crack : Why??? It can't be that good, considering all the hell it puts a person's body through. 8. Food: I need to take more time with this. If a slow down, I'll probably enjoy it...
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Re: First Reaction...

Fabulous ·
Fab: Now, YOURS is an interesting read. I like the fireplace, bottle of wine and five feet of snow outside, scenario. As well as your fashion sense--love it! Many of your comments truly tickled me. . .and you're absolutely right! celibacy sucks. Suck?!? {Fab looking around the room} {hands on hips} Did I hear somebody say suck? ~Laughing out loud~ Nah, I didn't think so.
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Re: Bush Authorized Leaks

keylargo ·
Vermont Democrats call for Bush impeachment 53 minutes ago Democratic Party leaders in Vermont on Saturday passed a motion asking Congress to immediately begin impeachment proceedings against President Bush. In an elementary school cafeteria strewn with American flags and copies of the U.S. Constitution, some 100 state party officials agreed to make the request to the U.S. House of Representatives. "You know in your own hearts and minds that something is terribly wrong in this country," said...
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Re: Why do men hurt us?????

Rowe ·
Sister Virtue, at one time, I remember reading you singing the praises about the integrity, honor, and responsibility of men representing the Nation of Islam. Why haven't you pursued any relationships with men associated with this organization? And if you have, were your experiences unfavorable?
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Re: Why do men hurt us?????

Khalliqa ·
Rowe.... no, sister.... My apologies.... sincerely..... I have much to get through emotionally..... and I have to reign it in when I end up channeling my pain to someone unintended..... Yes.... That's a good point..... but.... we do not date... in the Nation.... we court..... meaning.... brothers don't ask for sisters unless they wish to marry them.... usually by the time a brother asks for you..... you have pretty much established a working relationship together ...... so "dating"...
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Re: Will Politics Play A Greater or Lesser Role In Our Future?

Nikcara ·
Bob Scheffer, said today on Face the Nation that he politial system was broken, when old white men call for revolution, I say a good thing is about to happen, politics is going to be very important and in the very near future.
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Re: Ain't Just Whistling Dixie

Black Viking ·
Firt of all... I've got to see this film! IMO, that extrapolation doesn't go deep enough. That's why it's confusing. It wasn't agriculture vs. industiral. It was about money. Slavery was causing economic porblems for the North, and at the same time they weren't making much money off of it. The South, on the other hand, was totally dependant. For them, it was like choosing between being a multi-millionaire and being homeless. There really was no middle ground. It was about money. Great book!
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Re: Uncle Tom's Cabin

nayo ·
Good one. I found this really bad film version of 'Uncle Tom's cabin; and watched it through it's entirety, and we discovered that it was in fact 'sambo' who was the jerk. I'm also reading 'Slavery Defended', by McKitrick (1963) which presents many of the 'top minds' during slavery who vociferously defended African inferiority and the 'need' and good of slavery. :websource:http://www.ysursa.com/history/Reference%20pages/civil%20war/proslavery_defense.htm Topic: The Proslavery Defense > Q:...
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Re: Illegal Immigration

Yemaya ·
The bottom line is that illegal immigration; defined as entering this country by subverting the laws set in place to regulate immigration, is wrong. I can see if people were being oppressed and came over as refugees. There are laws governing this. I wonder what the laws are in other countries regarding people who come into a nation outside of legal chanels? Multinational corporations who want cheap labor and various governments are in cohorts to make a ton of money. The affect of this is the...
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

MBM ·
Take a look at this thread from December 2003. Here are some highlights:
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

HonestBrother ·
Zakar, stop being a wanker... Look at what the US is doing around the world: in Haiti, in Iraq, in Afghanistan...etc. etc Point is: From a practical point of view, there aren't too many places to go to be 'independent' from white America... and that's not even considering the question of where we would go even if we were all in agreement about starting our own nation. The problem is that hard core Nationalists talk a good talk... but they almost always come up short on specifics...
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

ZAKAR ·
How can nationalism be conformity? its Revolutionary, Reactionary? Anyone who has been enslaved or colonized have to be reactionary because they are following an action that has already taken place. How can you be proactive when an action has already been taken against you. No as far as The NOI, im not it in but i many friends nad family in it. The thing about the Nation, it builds self sufficient diciplined men, who contribute positively to the black community. These are the brothers in the...
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Re: Black Like GOP

ZAKAR ·
In my opinion both fucks us equally and neither uses a condom. During Clintons run what happend, more black men got locked up than ever before. NAFTA was passed, who benifits from NAFTA, Mexico and Big business, who lose, working class citizens of the nation. I havent seen anything the Democratic party has done for us since Johnson, and what he did was give acts that were already given to us in the late 1800's
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

ZAKAR ·
if this isnt Assimilation I dont know what Assimilation means
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Re: Nationalism VS Assimilation

HonestBrother ·
Nationalism is reactionary because it doesn't think out its own agenda/strategy... It 'reacts'.... It just says "Let's do the opposite of whitey" Whitey says Jesus is a dead white man... So NOI says the Christ is a living black man. Whitey says we are the bringers of Civilization... The reactionary says No, we originated civilization Whitey says black folk are savages ...So the reactionaries adopt super puritanical morality Whitey says x ... The reactionary says the opposite of x That's not...
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Re: Black Like GOP

keylargo ·
so based on your analogy, I guess we should just not fuck.....but since we know, we can't not fuck, we must pick which one to do. let's not forget, we have to negotiate with Republicans. It's hard to get things done when the two can't agree. Also, Reagan's "war on drugs" is what contributed to the high rate of incarceration of black men. you can also blame the unequal judicial system and poor choices made by some men. You cannot blame Clinton for that.
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Re: Jack and Jill of America, Inc.

Diamond ·
Virtue, You are so right, we don't discuss the hurtful things we have done to ourselves. We are quick to point out what the white man has done to us but we very seldom discuss what we do to ourselves. I am ashamed to say that I have heard of the paper bag test. Not only with the J&J but with other black organizations. For example my church, I heard it said by someone I respect that a presbyterian is a baptist that has made it. In addition, my presbyterian church has a history of only...
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