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Re: Black Africans Still Killing Each Other For Arabs and Europeans

Kocolicious ·
You know this is what I don't understand. Why you wanna be a muslim, if its muslims that is destroying your village, killing your family and torturing YOU? What is the prize in praising allah? If allah is NOT there to help you? I have been strugglin with this question since my father was active in Islam. I don't understand. And so I always recommend brothas to READ world HISTORY from an assortment of perspectives.....before dedicating themselves to a religion that was the FIRST to enslave...
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Re: Black Africans Still Killing Each Other For Arabs and Europeans

Muhammad Cipher ·
There are so many red flags in this story its unreal. The truth is that many (here and elsewhere) don't really care one way or another about what's going on in Africa (anywhere on the continent). The primary interest only in things that appear to reinforce a stylized and romanticized view of how Black people should approach liberation. The truth of the situation represents a problem to that romanticized view, so its dismissed and things (like the thread title) are repeated.
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Re: Black Africans Still Killing Each Other For Arabs and Europeans

Kocolicious ·
Hey I know the comment was not for me,.,,,but! Sorry I don't see any romanticized in killing your OWN people based on a religious belief. The Boko Haram is an extremist group....no? And the nigerian govt agency is also tied to islam in some way....no? All the people living there just wanna survive....no? Regardless of what god....no? People just wanna live their lives on their OWN terms. So I don't see the romanticism in that. That's basic. And the real TRUTH. People CARE about living their...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Kocolicious ·
“When we cry, we need to be heard by the world." And that's exactly right. Otherwise, all of Africa will be smeared with these Islamic extremists. And it's not about the religion per se. It's about CONTROL. It's about being socially STUCK in a backward azz mindset that continuously aborts PROGRESS. And...most importantly the only ones to benefit from this sickness are the MEN. The women will suffer as well as the children will suffer. And these extremists ALWAYS wanna point fingers at the...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

sunnubian ·
"It's about CONTROL." *************************************************** That's it, control and Arab "expansion" (remember the "Western Expansion" chapters in American History?). Africans have been caught up in that Arab/Islamic psych game for centuries now. They now have most of the world seeing Egypt as not part of "Africa" as well as other northern parts of Africa, especially with the constant reference to "sub"-Saharant Africa , the subliminal suggestion that one, that part of Africa...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Kocolicious ·
Sista Sunnubian wrote: Man, psychology is just not Black people's strong suit. No it's not. Only because we have been under the hammer of psychological brainwashing. It started with the rhetorical device of stating that we were subhumans. And for a looooong time...many including the ones who created that lie....BELIEVED IT too. So it's a continium that muddles the mind of black folks EVERYWHERE-including Africa, the Islands.....and yes America. Tragic. But! By the way: That's why I returned...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

sunnubian ·
Originally Posted by Kocolicious: By the way: That's why I returned to college to obtain another degree. This time in Psychology, specializing in child psychology[deveopment] with an emphasis on historical and environmental child abuse. I'm working on my dissertation now....i.e. planning ahead....so that when the time comes I will have all my facts and research already in line and professionally formatted so all I have to do is write my findings with accurate and adequate references-which is...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Kocolicious ·
Everything you say is soooooo true my sista. The cost is off the roof. As is why at this point I'm only taking a few classes at a time. I used to waive scholarship proposals cuz I wanted the "kids" to take advantage of them....but! Now, I have no choice but to accept the scholarship programs I'm qualified for in order to pay for my courses/books and materials. Having said that, [since all my childen are grown], I have a personal obligation to teach/reach our black kids BEFORE everything is...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Muhammad Cipher ·
One of your other post contained a reference from Mahmood Mamdani. I've posted material from him before (largely ignored in the Libya thread). One of the biggest problems in dealing with any of the situations in Africa is the assumption of false, faulty or uninformed narritives taken as to be universally understood truths and starting points. I'd HIGHLY recommend people reivew his (and several others) material before declaring a hardcore position on exactly what's going on in Africa today.
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Kocolicious ·
Okay, So what are YOU saying? That by reading up on Mahmood Mamdani will dismiss the fact that there isn't true turmoil in Africa? Or that Arabs aren't trying to take OVER all of Africa? What? I mean most of us know that he is an Indian born professor who have written a lot of books specializing in the subject of Arabs/Muslims...but! Not knowing who he is ....does that take away or change what is going in Africa? And what has been going in Africa for 1400 years? I truly don't understand your...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Muhammad Cipher ·
No. Im suggesting that reading up on that perspective makes for a more informed position on what the turmoil in Africa. Define "Arab" and problems quickly arise with that statement and position. Are you familiar with his work, or did you just google his bio (serious question not an insult)? He (along with quite a few others) are not only noted for their scholarship on the conflicts and history on the continent, but is also noted for the clear distinction he makes between colonial and non...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Kocolicious ·
My brotha: I did respond to your post extensively....but! My computer froze and it took me a while to boot up again. As a result I lost all my commentary, So currently I am burned out trying to regain it. Therefore I will readdress your post tommorrow.
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

sunnubian ·
Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher: One of your other post contained a reference from Mahmood Mamdani. I've posted material from him before (largely ignored in the Libya thread). One of the biggest problems in dealing with any of the situations in Africa is the assumption of false, faulty or uninformed narritives taken as to be universally understood truths and starting points. I'd HIGHLY recommend people reivew his (and several others) material before declaring a hardcore position on...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Muhammad Cipher ·
There is an unspoken assumption of who and what an Arab is, which is why I ask people to define it and think about it (whether or not you post it online). What you posted is a popular notion, but problematic when you get into the colonial and cultural history of these region. My position is much to nuanced for me to type out at the moment, though I can say that I do not accept the auto conflation of Arab with European or "fare skinned people from the Middle Eastern region". Once you begin...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Kocolicious ·
Brotha Ciper wrote: No. Im suggesting that reading up on that perspective makes for a more informed position on what the turmoil in Africa. You mean...reading up on HIS perspective would be in YOUR opinion a more informed position on what the turmoil is in Africa. Is that what you're saying. As a matter of fact, I don't have to read his commentary or views on Africa where its relates to Arabs....cuz I have my own. I have been a student of African Studies and World History probably many years...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

sunnubian ·
Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher: There is an unspoken assumption of who and what an Arab is, which is why I ask people to define it and think about it (whether or not you post it online). What you posted is a popular notion, but problematic when you get into the colonial and cultural history of these region. My position is much to nuanced for me to type out at the moment, though I can say that I do not accept the auto conflation of Arab with European or "fare skinned people from the...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Muhammad Cipher ·
Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher: Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher: That is my point. The Sudan (for example) is not an issue of any "invasion" Arab or otherwise. If you get the chance, check the following lectures/talks by Mamdani. I cite him not because I think he's the only one qualified to speak on it, but he's one of few who can do so with the respect the subject deserves in a clear way. **just to clarify Im referring to Arabization or Islam an invasion** C-Span video is hard to...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Kocolicious ·
Sista Sunnubian wrote: The fact that the majority of Africans are Muslims is no coincidence of choosing, Islam was imposed on the ancestors of Africans centuries ago in this same. You are absolutely CORRECT my sista. There's no myth or untruths here. There are documents that cite clearly that the invasion of West Africa including Niger began in the early 7th and 8th centuries where FORCED conversions by Arab forces were implemented upon unwilling indigeous folks there. This is the location...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Kocolicious ·
Sista Sunnubian wrote: But what else am I to make of it when I look at Sudan, what happening now in Niger, Mali? Who are invading these countries and force their religious doctrines on these people? How was it that Egypt ever became predominately non-Black? Who is still enslaving Black African in the region? Who is financing these invasions? Who is slaughtering who? How is it any different that what Europeans did to this country and Native Americans? My sista you are on a roll. Some folks...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

sunnubian ·
Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher: Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher: Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher: That is my point. The Sudan (for example) is not an issue of any "invasion" Arab or otherwise. If you get the chance, check the following lectures/talks by Mamdani. I cite him not because I think he's the only one qualified to speak on it, but he's one of few who can do so with the respect the subject deserves in a clear way. **just to clarify Im referring to Arabization or Islam...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Yemaya ·
Originally Posted by sunnubian: Thanks for this information. I really want to know what to make of what concerning the constant turmoil(s) happening in Africa. We can't trust the Western media to always tell or show the truth, we can trust historians to always write the truth. But I will say that I see not great benefit of Islam or Christianity where Africans/Africa is concerned. We cannot trust everything historians say either. Historical Revisionism is rampant. All of this propaganda goes...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Kocolicious ·
I would go further to say that you CANNOT trust racist historians and racists anthropologists to tell the TRUTH in regards to African history. They have always had a hidden agenda. For example: (1) massa told the LIE that we were waiting for him to come to Africa to civilize us...not true. (2) massa told anothe LIE and said that the first man was derived from Asia and then told another lie regarding the Piltdown man [a sick version of Frankenstein] which was quickly revealed as a hoax and...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Muhammad Cipher ·
Originally Posted by Yemaya: Originally Posted by sunnubian: Thanks for this information. I really want to know what to make of what concerning the constant turmoil(s) happening in Africa. We can't trust the Western media to always tell or show the truth, we can trust historians to always write the truth. But I will say that I see not great benefit of Islam or Christianity where Africans/Africa is concerned. We cannot trust everything historians say either. Historical Revisionism is rampant.
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

sunnubian ·
Originally Posted by Yemaya: Originally Posted by sunnubian: Thanks for this information. I really want to know what to make of what concerning the constant turmoil(s) happening in Africa. We can't trust the Western media to always tell or show the truth, we can trust historians to always write the truth. But I will say that I see not great benefit of Islam or Christianity where Africans/Africa is concerned. We cannot trust everything historians say either. Historical Revisionism is rampant.
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

sunnubian ·
From what I have read so far regarding Mahmood Mamdani, it all sounds like political speak to me. He is making statements that are not wholly true regarding Dufar/Africa/Arab and Islamic influence and religion in Africa. He plays with the death rate in the conflict, then goes on to try to quantify his argument that the death rate (mass murders) includes people dying from illness, disease, starvation, etc., as if starvation is not a war tactic in and of itself, and as if dying from disease...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Muhammad Cipher ·
"I'm just not feeling this guy as being trustworthy and free of any covert agenda on this subject." I'd only suggest that you (and others) consider and look further into these perspectives. They're much more nuanced than some of us are used to dealing with. Its easy and tempting to reduces everything to 'good guys in this corner, evil doers in the other'. The Save Darfur camp was caught misrepresenting numbers and inflating figures. Long story short, we all can be held responsible for being...
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Re: Niger struggles against Islamist militants

Kocolicious ·
I wanna say just SIX things on this issue and I'm through cuz otherwise it will be like beating a dead horse: (1) The definition of a claim is beliefs or opinions that MAY be true or false. Therefore a legitimate claim can ONLY be true if it has PROVEN facts supporting the particular belief or opinion. Having said that, everything that I have SAID throughout this discussion can be PROVEN[examination is not required cuz it has always been examined over and over and over again with the same...
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Niger struggles against Islamist militants

sunnubian ·
Niger struggles against Islamist militants View Photo Gallery — Islamist militants in West Africa: In the aftermath of the Arab Spring revolts, the fight against militant Islam in this moderate swath of Africa has gained fresh urgency. By Sudarsan Raghavan , Published: August 16 The Washington Post Struggling against militant Islam. DIFFA, Niger This West African desert town hardly seems like the front line of an emerging struggle against terrorism. The market is bustling. Young men listen...
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Black Africans Still Killing Each Other For Arabs and Europeans

sunnubian ·
In Nigeria, trapped between Islamist radicals and security forces View Photo Gallery — The Church of Christ in Nigeria church, where only 45 worshipers have the courage to attend Christmas service. Islamist militants in West Africa: The fight against militant Islam in this moderate swath of Africa has gained fresh urgency. Text Size Print E-mail Reprints By Sudarsan Raghavan , <abbr class="updated" title="2012-12-30T22:26:17-0400">Dec 30, 2012 10:26 PM EST</abbr> The Washington...
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