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Re: Conservative Idiots

Isome ·
courtesy of democratic underground Condoleezza Rice George W. Bush gave Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice a very important job last week. According to the Financial Times: President George W. Bush on Wednesday announced that the State Department would lead all US post-conflict reconstruction, a move that supersedes the controversial decision to give that task to the Pentagon in Iraq following the 2003 invasion. ... A former senior official involved in what he called the "chaos" of post-war...
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Re: Conservative Idiots

Michael ·
.....be it Democrat, Republican, Independent, Green Party, or otherwise..... .....the Black community is being looked upon as being insignificant, perverted, criminal, sleazy, wreckless, backwards, un-American, treasonous, self destructive, poverty stricken, social welfare dependent, bigotted, lazy, hateful, uncaring, selfish, useless, begging, continuously playing the race card, etc., ...... ......an outlook that has more to do with a ethnic group's financial status, holdings, consumer...
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Re: Conservative Idiots

Kevin41 ·
I wonder why there is sooo much laughter when the guy speaks.....I guess it is hard to take a tom serious....when you know their first and foremost motive is to defend the stats quo and their white masters....I thought the term conservative idiot applied here......... My dad's barbershop ...byLarry Elder and personal responsibility -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: December 29, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern Editor's note: The following column...
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Re: Constructive Feedback Is Right!!

MBM ·
Based upon the onus you place on their backs, why do you call them "victims"? Please explain. A woman has been repeatedly abused by her husband over the years. She walks into the police station, finally, seeking protection and relief. CF looks at her and says, "What are you prepared to do to change to help your situation?" First of all - she has taken the first step and is at the damned police station. Second of all, that she has survived as long as she has is a testament to her personal...
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Re: Aborigines target sudanese refugees

FireFly ·
thanks for this... I haven't been reading newspapers the past week so it's news to me. One thing though, Toowoomba is in Queensland and Balga is in Western Australia. If you look at a map of Australia you'll see we are a h-u-g-e continent and these places are very far apart. And very different. On a positive note, most people feel this way: "Ms Maasakker said the Sudanese had added another dimension to Toowoomba, and made the town more cosmopolitan." and also this way... "Mr Farrell said the...
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Re: 2005--In Loving Memory Of....

Fine ·
"Never To Be Forgotten" Renaldo "Obie" Benson/Singer with the Four Tops Lamont Bentley/Actor on "Moesha" Kenneth Bancroft Clark Shirley Anita Chisholm/Politician Johnnie Cochran, Jr./Famous Lawyer Shirley Horn/Jazz Singer Willie Hutch: Willie McKinley Hutchinson/ Motown Record Producer John H. Johnson/Publisher-Ebony Magazine, Jet Edward "Eddie" Patten/Member of Glady Knight and the Pips Constance Baker Motley/Attorney, Civil Rights Activist Rosa Parks/Civil Rights Activist Brock...
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Re: Conservative Idiots

Michael ·
"I wonder how many Black people really give a schit about how they are LOOKED at ..." by Kevin41 "I wonder why there is sooo much laughter when the guy speaks.....I guess it is hard to take a tom serious .... when you know their first and foremost motive is to defend the stats quo and their white masters ....I thought the term conservative idiot applied here........." by Kevin41 ************************** ".....be it Democrat, Republican, Independent, Green Party, or otherwise..... ..... the...
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Re: My dad's barbershop -- and personal responsibility

nayo ·
ROTFLMAO!!!! p.s. I almost, fell for the Elder 'okidoke', until I heard his response to an African American woman (on his recently cancelled television show), who was opining about racism in the U.S. He asked her, why did'nt she just go 'back' to Africa if the racism was so bad here!! I could'nt believe it.
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Re: 2005--In Loving Memory Of....

Fine ·
Thx folobatuyi and HonestBrother. LOL--I have a revision: AITKEN, LAUREL/78 -- JAMAICAN SINGER BENNETT-SATTLER, JUDITH/54 -- ABUSE AGENCY LEADER BAIRD, HARRY/74 -- BRITISH ACTOR BAUGH, CECIL/96 -- JAMAICAN POTTER BENSON, RENALDO "OBIE"/69 -- MEMBER OF THE FOUR TOPS GROUP BENTLEY, LAMONT/31 -- ACTOR BERESFORD, RANDOLPH/91 -- BRITISH MAYOR OF HAMMERSMITH AND FULHAM BROWN JR., OSCAR/78 -- SINGER/SONWRITER/ACTOR/PLAYWRIGHT CAMPBELL, LITTLE MILTON/70 -- BLUES ARTIST CARGILLE, PETER/41 -- JAMAICAN...
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Re: FINALLY SOME GOOD ADVICE!!! -How To Get A Man In Four Weeks Or Less - If You Want One

Rowe ·
I agree. So why can't we "be real" about Black men's situation in this country? When African-American women talk about how this state of affairs is impacting their lives, why can't you all respectfully acknowledge what you are hearing and reading? Whenever an African-American woman tells people about how the deterioration of her community is impacting her future, all she gets are expressions of disbelief and denial, followed by a list of general dating tips. Well Black women are not apart of...
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Re: FINALLY SOME GOOD ADVICE!!! -How To Get A Man In Four Weeks Or Less - If You Want One

RadioRaheem ·
* I have no problems with reality {I actually prefer it to the self-boosting misinformation often floating about the Black community}, so long as those women acknowledge that they chose to date those guys all by themselves [cherry picked]. It was her choice to date/pursue Joe Thug and Ray-ray and thus it was her 'fault' when they let her down. If you sleep with dogs, you just might wake up with fleas and puppies!!! She also can't blame 'sane' black men that didn't appeal to her 'Ray-Ray'...
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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

Empty Purnata ·
Black Middle Class vs. "American" Middle Class? What's "American"? "White"? Aren't African-Americans AMERICANS too?
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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

MBM ·
An aggreagate of all Americans versus African Americans.
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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

Empty Purnata ·
Oh, now I get it. In comparison to other middle class communities of other races, unfortunately the Black Middle Class seems to be busy trying to emmulate the White Middle Class. A community of selfish, over-privileged "rugged individualists" with that tired old "conservative Protestant work ethic" of "everyone pull yourself up by your own bootstraps". Pesonally, I think African-Americans need to get away from this "middleclassness" mentality. We should be concerned about improving our...
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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

Guest ·
MBM: I am really flattered at the being the basis for so many of your posts. I figured that by now you could at least represent my position more correctly. Founding Premise: Some people reside inside of a system that organizes resources and creates wealth. Some people reside outside of such a system. The challenge is to CREATE a system that generates wealth and a high standard of living for the people that are of interest to you balancing this demand with other values that are important to...
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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

James Wesley Chester ·
Aren't African-Americans AMERICANS too?---empty Purnata Yes. In fact African Americans are African American-Americans. I couldn't resist. PEACE Jim Chester
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Re: Reparations and Poor Whites

MBM ·
Sorry, I didn't communicate the point well enough. It's not just that poverty exists, its that because America utilized slavery, it denied poor and working class whites the opportunity to feed their families, earn income, and build wealth. Absent slavery there still would have been an American economy. America would have had to pay the poor and working class folks here. If we can acknowledge a connectivity between the wrong committed to slaves and their descendents today, is it also not...
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Re: BLACK PEOPLE IN THE BRITISH ISLES

FireFly ·
To anyone interested... Rough Crossings : Britain, the Slaves and the American Revolution - $49.95 Simon Schama "Set against the backdrop of the American Revolution and its aftermath, Rough Crossings is the gripping, astonishing epic of the struggle for freedom by tens of thousands of slaves who believed that their future as free men and women was bound up with staying British, not becoming American. The decision to offer slaves who defected to the British their liberty began in military...
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Re: Sago Mine Explosion - Another Bushco Production?

Guest ·
Dr. Kevin: It is clear that you prefer a Black man who you can easily draw upon. You prefer to have Black folks commit to simple "Yes or No" questions rather than be able to justify their positions. I am convinced that you are more comfortable with a Black man who doesn't know much BUT who supports your position and when challenged resorts to the cry of RACISM rather than a Black man who DISAGREES WITH YOU AND CAN ARTICULATE WHY HE THINKS THAT WAY. YOU ARE A SHORT SIGHTED IDEOLOGUE (read - a...
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Re: **Constantine: The Father of Christianity[With Just A Hint of Paganism!]??**

Empty Purnata ·
But, these Desert Fathers were not following the type of Christianity that you follow. If I posted to you some of their theological/spiritual/philosophical beliefs, you would call them "heretics". Origien believed in Trinitarian/Monistic Emanationism (as opposed to Creationism), he believed in Universal Salvation (everyone eventually goes to Heaven), he believed that Christ died an Exemplary death (not a Sacrificial/Atonement death), he believed in reincarnation, he believed in the...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Empty Purnata ·
LOL! Apparently for Condoleeza Rice, J.C. Watts, Armstrong Williams, Larry Elder, Ward Connerly, "Rev." Jesse Lee Peterson, Juan Williams and Clarence Thomas; Affirmative Action was just fine WHEN THEY BENEFITTED FROM IT. Now that they have "made it" up the ladder, they want to kick it down so other Blacks can't use it. They want to be the only House Negroids in Massa's house. They can't have other Negroids stealing their spotlight! Got-damn Kneegrows. They can't stand Affirmative Action...
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Re: "If the KKK opposes gay marriage, I would ride with them."

Fine ·
The Rev. Gregory Daniels is a baffling idiot. His statement sounds almost as preverse as the actions of the NAACP who in 1977 defended the KKK in Dayton, OH while irrantly proclaiming that every American deserved a fair chance... IMHO most of these Rev Chicken Wing, Pastor Pork Chop types make me sick with their twisted rhetoric. They mislead the congregations who cling to their every word while adhering to a flair of un-sense of history. Amazing.
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Re: Exploring a Stereotype

Black Viking ·
That is a very good point. What exactly is "hyperaggressiveness"? For one person to be observed as more aggressive than another is one thing. For an entire group of people to be characterized as more aggressive there has to be a standard of aggressiveness. Do whites get to set the standard for everything that we do?!
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Guest ·
The key distinction is OWNERSHIP AND POWER. Those who have both SEEK TO PROTECT THEIR POSSESSION. Those who don't have them seek to LIBERALIZE the rules and have more of these resources to flow their way. When it comes to international aide and financing the liberalist American sounds very CONSERVATIVE. When it comes to understanding the plight of the Mexican father to depart his family and come to the United States illegally in order to work and feed his family it seems that many of you are...
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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

MBM ·
What are the great acheivements that Asian Americans make in this country? Where is the strong bloc of Asian Americans in Congress and American politics? Where are the Asian CEO's of Fortune 500 companies? Who are the great Asian American artists, entertainers, writers, musicians? How is the Asian American community supporting their native Asian countries, communities, people? I guess you speak admiringly of this community because in large part they are segregated from the mainstream of...
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Re: Playing with Americans left and right hands on reparation.

MBM ·
Quoted from the article, these are things that Republicans are suing Democrats for: It's pretty pathetic that this is the best that black conservatives can do. The fact is that above and beyond any party affiliations, it is conservative ideology that was behind everything listed above. What does that say about conservatives that they are attacking Democrats because of their previous conservative positions?
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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

Empty Purnata ·
True, these are sadly too absent from the Asian-American Community. There are good Asian-American musicians, artists and entertainers, I'm not sure I would say the entertainers are "great" (as in universally notoriable). Just like Afrian-Americans, Asian-Americans also face a glass ceiling in this country as well. They are expected by White Americans to be nothing more than businessmen and scientists. Just keep serving YT and keep their noses to the grind. I think some Asian-American...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

UppityNegress ·
OK, I will entertain this idea. Please explain how giving sufficient painkillers to some Black kid with a broken arm will threaten those in power? Please explain what benefit the American health system has in providing a lower level of medical care Blacks? I'm surprised you haven't argued the other way, b/c more healthy people equals less time lost on jobs, less time spent on unemployment or disability funds, and more productivity all around. That in turn equals more money flowing through...
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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

MBM ·
To be clear, it is not my intent to deride the Asian American community in any way, just to compare it to the achievements of the African American one. CF constantly shits on African American culture while praising Asian American culture. Since he also seems to like to talk about "results" - then let's see them. If we are so dysfunctional why are we out-performing them; this while also enduring a myriad of additional obstacles to our success?
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Michael ·
........more likely, it is our own Black community that is disgraceful..... LA's Failing Black Hospital Shunned As "Killer King" Posted on: 2004-12-07 16:57:42 Once a focus of black pride in South Central Los Angeles, the Martin Luther King, Jr./Drew Medical Center has, according to a devastating five-part expose in the Los Angeles Times, "a long history of harming, or even killing, those it was meant to serve." The Times series details one fatality after another due to misdiagnosis or other...
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Re: Afrocentric versus Eurocentric

Fine ·
Yes. ------------------- Dusty Elbow: We "can" very well talk about Americas slavery and there is alot to talk about: Connecticut Military Law, 1784--forbade blacks from serving in military First Naturalization Law, 1790--congress declared US a white nation Federal Militia Law, 1792--only whites could enlists in peacetime militia Fugitive Slave Law, 1793--protected slaveholders rights, discouraged blacks from running away Virginia Migration Law, 1793--forbade free blacks from entering that...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Michael ·
....more likely, it is the Black community that is nutty, backwards, sleazy, cowardly, disloyal, and/or treasonous towards itself...... ...and since I believe in the laws of this land, I don't make any attempt to justify illegal activity. ...instead it is better served to seek redress, as opposed to asking the perpetrators why they did it. ......more important than the why, is the proving that they did. Last time I checked, more so that not, those behind bars are there, because it was proven...
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Re: "If the KKK opposes gay marriage, I would ride with them."

Frenchy ·
Give me a break, Kevin41. You are the same one who said you would not want any Black gay people marching with you for civil rights. They could "stay at home" according to you. Pick up your sheet on the way out.
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Michael ·
"Notice how they get longer as a way to be more distracting...man behavioral science is something else........ **What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day." by Kevin41 ************************************ I pay Kevin41,...
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Re: Justice Dept. Probing Domestic Spying Leak

Guest ·
I think that this is such a relevant and interesting topic, I decided to bump it back up to the top of the discussion board. When I was in high school, I was fortunate enough to go to a presidential library and browse through the declassified files of that administration. I was incensed to discover that long before WWII so-called American citizens were being spied on and massive amounts of information was being documented an stored on non-violent organizations. Organizations such as the...
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Re: Tolerance of Intolerance?

HonestBrother ·
Kresge, that's a good question. I suppose the immediate context is Melesi's accusation that I don't give his posts a fair reading. But to be fair, it goes far beyond that. As a single non-Christian, who has just moved to a new town, living in the Bible belt, in a place where the first thing people ask you when they meet you is "Where do you go to church?", in a place where even in the online dating community the women all declare "You can't love me if you can't love Jesus", I frankly find...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

Nikcara ·
I am a Christian, I am heterosexual, I think gays should be allowed to marry, I think women have the right of choice and affirmative action is desparately needed because children are still being left behind. Law in the USA is not about morality it is about power and money. It was law that enslaved my ancestors using the Christian Bible, it was law that separated the races under Jim Crow using the Christian Bible , it was law that cause the police to sick dogs on citizens because they were...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

Melesi ·
nikcara, You have more than one point in your post. I will try to address them, but I hope you can forgive me if I miss one or two. Do we have differing definitions of "Christian"? What is a Christian to you? Yes, Christians do differ on issues, but they differ usually because they've started from different points of view. They have different conclusions about the world to begin with, thus they have certain differences in their worldviews, which is part of the point that I made originally.
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Re: What 'white' muso's get you groovin'?

FireFly ·
could you at least READ threads before you post? what's your freakin point? the question, one more time... WHAT WHITE MUSIC/MUSO'S (IF ANY) MAKE YOU MOVE? gee whiz, why would I ask that question on an African American site? Ummmmmmmm.... maybe coz I am curious. You want to start a thread that asks "what black muso's get you movin'" then just do it. Hey... it's really easy to do. .
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Re: Tolerance of Intolerance?

kresge ·
I am grieved to hear about your experience. I spent 12 years in academia as a college/university chaplain. Before my theological training, however, I obtained a B.S. in physics and mathematics, and an M.A. in physics. So I think that I might be able to relate to your situation from several positions. With respect to the AA community, I think that science and mathematics, little priority seems to be given to these disciplines. There seems to be much more of a connection with arts associated...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Guest ·
Here we go again folks. KEVIN - Can you tell me WHO ON THIS BOARD has the qualifications to "TEACH YOU SCHIT"? I know that you are intellectually SUPERIOR to most of us. The fact that you have been bestowed a the certification of "doctorate" by the American education which attempts to certify the KNOWLEDGE and LEARNING that a person acquires. We all know that a Black man, having not finished high school and never gone to college - COULD GO TO THE LIBRARY FOR YEARS AND YEARS (as I see some...
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

HonestBrother ·
How about the law which gives Congress the right to authorize the President to declare war?
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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

Sweetwuzzy ·
African Americans are out-performing Asian americans??? We outperform them in politics, and representation across the board, but Asian Americans make more income than any other group including white americans. And they do excellent when it comes to education.
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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

MBM ·
So they get good grades and get good jobs. Where is the impact of their achievement on American society? Again, I have no interest in denigrating the Asian community. CF makes the connection between culture and achievement. He constantly praises their culture and assassinates ours. I simply ask the question - if their culture is so wonderful and if culture and achievement are connected, then where is the impact in America of that superior culture? CF likes their culture, I believe, precisely...
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Re: "If the KKK opposes gay marriage, I would ride with them."

kresge ·
Perhaps in part, but I think that it is more deeply rooted in the particular experiences of oppression in the African American community,e.g., they hypersexualization of the African in the white mind which fulled the physical and social emasculation of African men, contributed to the rape and abuse of African women. In the wake of this, African Americans have tended to come down hard what they deem as sexual perversions that might perpetuate what they believe to be destructive stereotypes of...
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Re: Black Middle Class vs. American Middle Class

Nmaginate ·
Constructive Feedback?? Sunnubian?? Comments on the actual question at hand? And that set of questions make up one whole question to the tune of the one quoted, in bold, above. Now, with Asian-Americans "making more income" than any other group and excelling in education... YOUR ANSWERS? As for these blanket statements:So please make sure you are comparing Like Sets in every demographical sense. And even with that... YOUR ANSWERS?
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Re: Law, Morality, and Christians

Melesi ·
EP, Yes, John Locke and the idea of universal rights is very European, though they did not spring full-grown from the head of the French Revolution, especially that part of it that so quickly degenerated into the Reign of Terror and was well criticized by such as Edmund Burke, a supporter of much of the American philosophy. But this couldn't have arisen without the ground of the Christian faith. It's no wonder that the Magna Carta was forced on King John in England. It was a first step...
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Re: Reparations for Native Americans?

Nmaginate ·
While it's clear you wanted those to be two related questions, one clarifying the other... it's clear those are two separate questions with two different answers. As you've had to concede, Native Americans have, to some extent (even in a woefully inadequate sense) "received" Reparations. Evenso, it's clear Native Americans haven't been adequately compensated. That goes without saying especially since I've already said it. As to whether a Reparations victory for African-Americans would aid...
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Re: Sago Mine Explosion - Another Bushco Production?

Empty Purnata ·
Kanye West claimed during Hurricane Katrina that "George Bush doesn't care about Black people." Kanye West was half-right. Bush doesn't care about Black people, but he doesn't care about non-rich White either, that's what alot of people seem to be missing. In fact, the whole Republican Party is geared towards rich-White business-owners, managers and the wealthy, elite capital class. They only pander to working-class Whites becuase they know working-class Whites make up a major voting bloc of...
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Re: Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"

Michael ·
"You can take your small cracks at what I think about my abilities and all that ....but for years and years, you haven't been around to watch me burn the midnight oil.... so fuck you ....because I have told you stories of people that I knew were semi-illiterate that became scientists and engineers......people probably say that bullschit to them....but none of them were around to watch those individuals, struggle and put forth efforts towards their self-improvement that most others in their...
 
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