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This Could Just As Well Have Been Written About African American or African History

sunnubian ·
Published on Thursday, March 15, 2012 by Common Dreams The Real Irish American Story Not Taught in Schoolsby Bill Bigelow "Wear green on St. Patrick's Day or get pinched." That pretty much sums up the Irish American "curriculum" that I learned...
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How the Irish Became White? Paul Ryan's Ugly Public Embrace of Anti-Black Racism and Eugenic

sunnubian ·
FRI MAR 14, 2014 AT 12:10 PM PDT How the Irish Became White? Paul Ryan's Ugly Public Embrace of Anti-Black Racism and Eugenics by chaunceydevega Follow Email 223 Comments / 223 New Paul Ryan is the leader of the Republican Party’s “intellectual” wing. He has been described by the news media in fawning terms as a “policy wonk”, a “numbers guy”, and a “serious thinker”. Consequently, Ryan's recent claim that "inner city" black men are lazy and have no work ethic is a revealing insight into the...
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The Divide Between Blacks and the Irish

Cholly ·
A St. Patrick’s Day primer on how two groups of Americans who were once close parted over slavery. St. Patrick's Day is not usually associated with African Americans. In fact, to African Americans it has often been a reminder of the great political divide between themselves and the refugees from the Irish potato famine who came to the United States. What explains the divide between two groups that were once in very similar circumstances? The Irish who immigrated to America in the 18th and...
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Kocolicious ·
Thing is? IQ is massa-made. Cuz if he was sooooooo intelligent he could have figure his way of the turmoil in his homeland which caused to come to America in the first place. Cuz for one...he lived there [in Europe] much longer than the African[lived in America] who took the new world's soil and created a trillion dollar industry that made massa and his boys a VERY RICH culture. How come massa couldn't USE his so-called intellect in Europe? Or Asia? While they were criticizing the loin cloth...
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

Cholly ·
THE IRISH SLAVE TRADE – THE FORGOTTEN “WHITE” SLAVES. I don't give a fuck. Next.
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

Norland ·
Oh God, Cholly!!!
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

sunnubian ·
Originally Posted by Cholly: THE IRISH SLAVE TRADE – THE FORGOTTEN “WHITE” SLAVES. I don't give a fuck. Next. You are crazy, Cholly. LOL! But, honestly, I don't believe ANY Human Beings should EVER be enslaved, ever, even the Irish, who, no sooner than Black people blinked in this country, they turned on Black people like German Shepherds, and turned out to be some of the most racist White people in America. However, another reason I posted that is because it is evidence that the people who...
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

Cholly ·
Quote by Norland: "Oh God, Cholly!!! " I just don't care. White people and especially White academic scholars, have always wanted to try and assimilate the plight of today's White Americans and their European ancestors slave history to that of today's African Americans in order for Blacks to feel some type of compassionate "guilt" remorse about what matters to them historically when they don't as a collective American White race, don't even care nor have the will, courage and stones...
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

sunnubian ·
I would be the last person to ever dismiss even one once of African people's suffering centuries of kidnappings, enslavement, torture, brutalization, maiming, "experiments", rape, and having not only their land and natural resources stolen, but also even their Legacy stolen to serve as the "WELFARE" to sustain and empower Western nations/Europeans. But, I'm not going to dismiss any other Crimes Against Humanity because our people suffered them too or because so far, and since it still...
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

Norland ·
White people are taught that their looks make them superior to us. How they figure that, I don't know. The reality is, that if you really look closely at these jokers, they'll make you lose control of your inner workings. There is SOMETHING WRONG with these people. It's not our fault. We've been here with them for 500 plus years. All we do is complain; all they do is kick our ass, royally. We can't kick back, they'll execute ya under some fake rules and regulations that came from some one's...
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

NSpirit ·
So it's true? For at least a decade, I've encountered white folks online and in various presentations that say BUT THE IRISH WERE SLAVES TOO AND THEY WERE TREATED WORSE THAN BLACKS/AFRICANS. They always ALWAYS say it within the context of minimizing how atrocious whites were to black people. I've always been annoyed by such interjections as I felt they were tantamount to whites saying oh shut up and get over it, blacks weren't even the only people enslaved. We were slaves too and you don't...
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Norland ·
When you enslave people, you're too damn lazy to do the job yourself, plus you're beyond mentally ill to do that to ANYONE's once upon a time child, or child. If the whole human race had some people capable of giving mental tests, which isn't in existence, no one would pass at this stage of the game. The animals in the wild have it more together than we do. Lions and tigers aren't biting off each other's heads. We're a 7 billion strong, sorry lot of breathing skin and bones.
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

sunnubian ·
Originally Posted by NSpirit: "So it's true? For at least a decade, I've encountered white folks online and in various presentations that say BUT THE IRISH WERE SLAVES TOO AND THEY WERE TREATED WORSE THAN BLACKS/AFRICANS. They always ALWAYS say it within the context of minimizing how atrocious whites were to black people. I've always been annoyed by such intersections as I felt they were tantamount to whites saying oh shut up and get over it, blacks weren't even the only people enslaved. We...
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

NSpirit ·
EXACTLY the same? I'm not sure I can wrap that around my mind. Where are the stories? The songs? The art? The literature of this phase in white American history? Where are the remnants of laws dealing with their sale, movement and disenfranchisement? Their ability to move freely and own property? To read and write? To marry and inherit? How is it that so many so-called "Scots-Irish" ancestry people in the South became AFRICAN slaveowners? My brain is not trying to embrace the treatment of...
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

DennisKalita ·
Originally Posted by Cholly: Quote by Norland: "Oh God, Cholly!!! " I just don't care. White people and especially White academic scholars, have always wanted to try and assimilate the plight of today's White Americans and their European ancestors slave history to that of today's African Americans in order for Blacks to feel some type of compassionate "guilt" remorse about what matters to them historically when they don't as a collective American White race, don't even care nor have the...
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

NSpirit ·
Originally Posted by Cholly: THE IRISH SLAVE TRADE – THE FORGOTTEN “WHITE” SLAVES. I don't give a fuck. Next. Where are their chains? Whip marks? Overseers?
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

sunnubian ·
Originally Posted by NSpirit: EXACTLY the same? I'm not sure I can wrap that around my mind. Where are the stories? The songs? The art? The literature of this phase in white American history? Where are the remnants of laws dealing with their sale, movement and disenfranchisement? Their ability to move freely and own property? To read and write? To marry and inherit? How is it that so many so-called "Scots-Irish" ancestry people in the South became AFRICAN slaveowners? My brain is not trying...
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NSpirit ·
I get what you are saying and not trying to be obtuse. I just have a long held view of the Irish and some difficulty viewing them in the way the author does. It's thought provoking.
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

anotha ·
Originally Posted by Cholly: Quote by Norland: "Oh God, Cholly!!! " I just don't care. White people and especially White academic scholars, have always wanted to try and assimilate the plight of today's White Americans and their European ancestors slave history to that of today's African Americans in order for Blacks to feel some type of compassionate "guilt" remorse about what matters to them historically when they don't as a collective American White race, don't even care nor have the...
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

sunnubian ·
The Irish were chattel slaves at one point in their history and for a long time, and not always "indentured servants" as history revisionists would have people believe, now that the Irish are fully incorporated and accepted into White society and the White race.
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Norland ·
These people would put Samoyed dogs into the white race, if they haven't already. Anything white; a white can of paint, a white lint ball, a bowl of air. Anything white that's right or not right at all, that's all fucked up, will go into the White Race with open arms, legs, anuses, whips and chains and whipped cream and guns hanging off each hip and off each side of a cowboy hat. Bullets stuck into every body orifice they'll fit.
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NSpirit ·
Here's a post that describes the assertion that the Irish were Chattel slaves in America as a myth and further says people are conflating indentured servitude with chattel slavery. https://www.opendemocracy.net/...0%99-convenient-myth "It was with a heavy heart and no small amount of anger that I decided it was necessary to write a public refutation of the insidious myth that the Irish were once chattel slaves in the British colonies. The subject of this myth is not an issue in academic...
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NSpirit ·
So it seems like the British were evil toward the Irish in their imperialist actions IN IRELAND and even shipped some indentured servants to the Caribbean Islands....but the Irish as slaves (not indentured servants) in America...Is romantic myth. We're they held in bondage for life? We're their children kept in bondage in perpetuity? We're their laws about their movement, inheritance, enfranchisement? We're they considered property? Or people under contact?
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

sunnubian ·
Originally Posted by NSpirit: Here's a post that describes the assertion that the Irish were Chattel slaves in America as a myth and further says people are conflating indentured servitude with chattel slavery. https://www.opendemocracy.net/...0%99-convenient-myth "It was with a heavy heart and no small amount of anger that I decided it was necessary to write a public refutation of the insidious myth that the Irish were once chattel slaves in the British colonies. The subject of this myth is...
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NSpirit ·
Sunnubian, how are you defining chattel slavery? Also where in America were the Irish considered chattel? I don't get it. Doesn't chattel slavery mean it never ends? There is never an opportunity to walk away? Ones children are so born into it? One is owned like a cow? BTW, The guy in my link says the revisionism is done by those who insist Irish were slaves in America when they were not. He also says that myth has been so easily circulated online until people actually think the Irish were...
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NSpirit ·
Perpetual, hereditary slavery? The Irish?
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sunnubian ·
Originally Posted by NSpirit: Perpetual, hereditary slavery? The Irish? Yes, up to a certain period in history.
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sunnubian ·
Originally Posted by NSpirit: Sunnubian, how are you defining chattel slavery? Also where in America were the Irish considered chattel? I don't get it. Doesn't chattel slavery mean it never ends? There is never an opportunity to walk away? Ones children are so born into it? One is owned like a cow? BTW, The guy in my link says the revisionism is done by those who insist Irish were slaves in America when they were not. He also says that myth has been so easily circulated online until people...
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NSpirit ·
Originally Posted by sunnubian: Originally Posted by NSpirit: Perpetual, hereditary slavery? The Irish? Yes, up to a certain period in history. When? Where?
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Re: The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

GoodMan ·
Okay hold up...I read about this before but I decided to Google Irish slaves just to see if there was any new information about this and then Irish Slave Myths pop up. Then I find out that White people are saying that they were the first slaves in the Americas and got over it.... So this theory of Irish being the slaves is made by White people that seek to discount African slavery. This story or theory is from White nationalists, Irish Nationalists and Neo Nazis not academia...which I didn't...
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GoodMan ·
I downloaded the Irish Slave Myth article that debunks the notion of Irish Slaves Here are the important parts... Indentured Servitude The majority of the indentured labourers from Ireland who emigrated to the West Indies in the 17th and 18th century, did so voluntarily.6 This was part of a much larger migratory trend and it has been estimated that the majority of Europeans who emigrated to the American colonies were indentured servants.7 There is a dispute over the origin of the indenture...
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The Irish - The "Forgotten" "White" Slaves

sunnubian ·
Irish the ‘forgotten white slaves’ says expert John Martin Ireland was the greatest victim of British slave trade he says By IrishCentral Staff Writers White sugar slaves photographed in Barbados Photo by Snippets and Slappits The history of the African slave trade into the America’s is one that is well-documented as well as largely taught in American schools today. However, as John Martin of the Montreal-based Center for Research and Globalization points out in his article ‘The Irish Slave...
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Re: The Divide Between Blacks and the Irish

kresge ·
These are images from Harpers Weekly of the rioters, most of whom where Irish. They were upset about conscription into the Union army while the wealthy white citizens (of English extraction) kept themselves and their sons out of harms way. The first two images are of lynchings of African Americans, and the last is the burning of the African American orphanage.
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kresge ·
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