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Re: Conservative Idiots

Kevin41 ·
I wonder why there is sooo much laughter when the guy speaks.....I guess it is hard to take a tom serious....when you know their first and foremost motive is to defend the stats quo and their white masters....I thought the term conservative idiot applied here......... My dad's barbershop ...byLarry Elder and personal responsibility -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: December 29, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern Editor's note: The following column...
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Re: DNA Used to Trace African Lineage...

ma'am ·
There is a DNA study that is taking samples for free. http://www.uml.edu/dept/biology/rootsproject/ N/M They are charging for their services now. :/
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Re: The Black Commentator vs. The Wall Street Journal

Nmaginate ·
FULL OF SHIT. WHITE SHIT at that. What the hell are you talking about? What the hell is "The National Standard of Living", WHITE BOY?? And how does that BULLSHIT relate to the reality of things here in America? Note: First, you will have to quantify what the "National Standard of Living (N-SoL)" is. Once you do that, with respect to whatever you're referencing (i.e. whatever it is that makes you call the SoL "national"), you will have to demonstrate how that is what is going on. Don't PUNK...
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Re: MBM: WHERE'S THE UNIFICATION?

HonestBrother ·
Thanks for the heads up, CF! As a college teacher I now have a warning to be prepared for the * intellectual confusion * you're sending my way. And note the correct spelling of A-C-H-I-E-V-E-M-E-N-T Echoing MBM, you still don't get it. You're not addressing a bunch of failures in this forum. Some of us success stories * are * the result of the supposed fundamentalism you rail against. Another * lesson on leadership * : modify what comes out of your f*cking mouth to take into account who your...
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Re: 4 Unpopular "TRUTHS"... by Project 2019

Isome ·
Attitudes like that (this is a white man's world) are illustrative of the quote: R a c i s m s y s t e m a t i c a l l y v e r i f i e s i t s e l f a n y t i m e t h e s l a v e c a n o n l y b e f r e e b y i m i t a t i n g h i s m a s t e r .
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Re: 4 Unpopular "TRUTHS"... by Project 2019

Nmaginate ·
Or rather by accepting "his place" and then trying to repackage that acceptance as a Morally Superior position. You know, as CON-Feed tries to prop up and infuse his one-sided "Interal Focus" idea as a positive and tries to disparage what he calls the effort "To Have White Folks Change" as a negative... as if his view is certifiably better, more focused, more concerned, more appropriate and more constructive and instructive towards the uplift and forward flow of the Black Community and its...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

HonestBrother ·
Yes qty226 you are right. You are a black woman. You are the mother of civilization. And hence always right. And Pure. Your actions are always good and wise. Black women have the SOLE claim to racial victimhood. Queens without Kings ... We are only black men. We are not Kings. We are slime. Janitors who clean up the slime they love so much. We are N-I-G-G-A-Z: Never-Innocent-Gorillas-Getting-Ass-(in)-Zoos. Never up to any good. Lazy. Poor and incapable of earning 6 figures - which is what it...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

qty226 ·
Dammit HB......you are so wrong for this. I never said this.......and i would never say this about black men. (well, maybe some.. ) I honestly love black men, but when you dont listen.....it pisses me off. (and yes, i know you feel the same.) I dont have a problem with a blue collar brother....working hard to make ends meet. I've often said in my posts, that i look for other things, besides what he does for a living. Im working now, so that i can be an asset to him and my future children. Im...
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Re: The Boondocks

James Wesley Chester ·
Boondocks is now in the cash flow of mainstream America. We will have to learn to live with it. So was 'Amos 'n Andy'. Both shows make me laugh. In fact, we laughed for years. We ultimately rejected that show. That will not happen with 'Boondocks' until society turns it against us. By the way, what is the difference with McGruder's words and Cosby's words? Is there a 'bright-line' difference? PEACE Jim Chester
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

thayfen ·
I too await that list. Though I'm married, I've always wondered what it was the sisters were looking for. They tend to get rather vague. I remember those long walks to a table of sisters"”while in the "club""”and introducing myself. First question: "What do you do?" I was always dismissed. After a while I stopped, but I still wondered. Have you noticed that even the sisters without collage degrees have "high standards?" Also, to Honest Bro, Thank you for this: "Yes qty226 you are right. You...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

HonestBrother ·
Folks, I want to be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that the above was intended as a PARODY. A parody of what seems to be an all too common complaint among women. I was in no way claiming to represent the actual views of a real person. But to our ears you ladies do sorta sound like this at times even if you don't use the actual words. Art Gurl, I realize there are many legitimate reasons to date interracially. The statement above was a spoof. In fact, your guy friend's experience sounds very familiar to me...
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Re: I finally found the Black women's reply to the "Where is the love?'" from Tampa

Huey ·
HB, just curious, but how did you jump from janitor to doctor? That's a catapultic leap.
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Re: UBUNTU

MBM ·
Any thoughts on this point?
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Re: State of the Union: NPR WANTS YOUR VIEW

Kweli4Real ·
"Now Buck. Why you complainin. Massa feeds us. Massa give us dese good clothes. He even let us sleep in on christmas. Why you gonna go complainin. It betta den bein treated like da white folk. Sho dey kin come n go as dey pleez. Sho dey kin be dumb as a rock an still git along. But wez jus gotta werk on ourselfs an let Massa be."
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Re: State of the Union: NPR WANTS YOUR VIEW

Huey ·
Damn, that Uncle Ruckus is something else.
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
Valley Traditional High School is in the middle of a racial controversy. A teacher used a racial epithet towards a student. The word is only six letters long but the impact is far reaching. We do want to warn you that some of the language in this story is strong and may offend some people, but since this story is not just about the "n" word it's also about the pronunciation, we've decided to leave it in the story for you to decide. Murphy: "What did he say to you specifically?" Chavers: "Sit...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

James Wesley Chester ·
some blacks/AAs move on in life, without seeing this or caring.---qty226 Ain't that the truth? And...that's how we got to this place of N-wordism. Could David Chappelle's recent odyssey be evidence of the dividend from a deal with the devil? PEACE Jim Chester
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Re: Rank The Terms

ricardomath ·
OK, here is my ranking, as a white guy and a Person of Substance ... 1. Black 2. African American Actually, a decade ago, before I met my wife, I would have reversed #1 and #2. 3. African Likely to cause confusion, however. But the resulting discussion to clear up the confusion may well be bennifitial and educational. 4. Person of Color 5. Minority Broader and more appropiate in a context where one wishes to identify more broadly. "Minority" is somewhat problematic, however. For example, by...
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Re: A Dick with a Gun

ricardomath ·
Man demonstrating gun safety shoots self Associated Press "” Sept. 8, 2004 BLOOMINGTON, Ind. "” Monroe County, Ind., Coroner David Toumey was hospitalized with a leg wound after accidentally shooting himself while trying to demonstrate gun safety. Toumey told The Herald-Times for a story published today that he was demonstrating gun safety to some people at a Lake Monroe boat ramp about 11 p.m. when he accidentally shot himself. He said that as he checked to make sure his weapon was...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Jaco ·
Any english teacher knows that "LANGUAGE" is a dynamic syntax, and also that ideas are the essence of communication. Put simply, that means that whatever the two parties involved in conversation perceive the meaning of a word to be, that's what the word means in that conversation. If both parties concieve "nigga" as an informal form of address, then that's what it means in that conversation, DESPITE ANY OUTSIDERS OPINION! This means that the student saying "nigga" first would justify the...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Jaco ·
Air tight? You read that post and thought I used the n-word in everyday conversation and that I condoned its use as a racist term discribing blacks (or in any situation). All I did in my post was offer the point of view that the teacher probably was not a racist. You might have a leak somewhere. I don't object to people who disagree with using the n-word, in fact I agree with them. What I disagree with is the point of view, first of all that the teacher was being racist, when it seems like...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
Maybe you ought to think about your futile attempts at logic before you publish it. Obviously, the meaning "in that conversation" has everything to do with how the "meaning" was received by the student. No matter how the student used the word, the meaning when thrown back at the student, given the way English works, need not be the same. And clearly the student didn't perceive or conceive or receive it as the same. So, again, think before you throw soft-balls of illogic around. Obviously...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
And that's what caused the teacher to be in the position he's in. Idiotic EQUIVOCATING and DECONTEXTUALIZING both the meaning and the life of the word. Just as racist = JUST AS DUMB!! Even there, there is NO COMPARISON. Somehow, you find it hard to compare like things. And none of this is contingent on it being acceptable to you. Bigotry is Bigotry is IGNORANCE is IGNORANCE. That stuff might go for logic where you come from but that BS isn't working here. You can't strip a word of it's...
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Re: A film suggesting African Americans' embracing slavery - Manderlay

nayo ·
Yes, I have seen Dogville, Nicole Kidman was very good in this. Von triers attempt to twist the hegelian 'slave-master; dynamic is weirdly entertaining. His use of 'rape' as the methodology for the transformation of an independent consciousness, into a(n) dependent/interdependent consciousness is, different, But is'nt that what happened to the African, the rape of one people, powerfully and completely by another?
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Jaco ·
Wow, good arguing guys. Good points I've read - he wouldn't insult someone who could kick his ass, so it's certain that he would seize the day and insult someone who couldn't (impeccable logic) - juke joints aren't always whorehouses, thus proving that anyone under the age of (whatever) has no clue about what they're talking about (extra points for recognising the key essentials to my post) - Nmaginate's parody of the interview, simply rife with meaning - QTY's quick quantam leap in...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

nayo ·
"My point is simply that the same people who leap to the conclusion that he was being intentionally racist, use the n-word in everyday speech in a non-racist fashion. Italians don't call themelves whomps, Japanese people don't say Nip's, etc etc."" ------------------------------------------ The teacher was wrong. I never use the word. I teach at the university/college level, and there many student's in the '13th' grade, who remain immature and oblivious to decorum. They curse, yell, shout,...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Black Viking ·
Your missing the point here. A white man cannot use the word nigger in a non-racist fashion. The weight of history is behind that word. This has nothing to do with anything. Who cares what Italians and Japanese do or don't call themselves? And Whomp and Nip don't have any where near the historical significance of nigger. Don't mix apples and oranges. How do you not understand the lack of logic here? Listen carefully, If I choose to insult myself, that does not give you or anyone else leave...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
Okay, let's see you do some street-corner comedy doing the same thing. But, as I have to tell people coming from lame angles like yours pretty often... you SELF-FUCKED (i.e. CONTRADICTED yourself). Here you are betraying what you said before in order for your CIRCULAR REASONING to work. You said: Put simply... whatever the two parties involved in conversation perceive the meaning of a word to be, that's what the word means in that conversation. To which I countered: Obviously, the meaning...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

qty226 ·
Exactly.... I hear whites, call each other 'Redneck' all the time........ Should i call a black man that (as whites call each other nigger) .......or a white man a 'Redneck', when addressing him, just because i 'hear' this all the time?
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Jaco ·
I lied when I said that was my last post. http://haacked.com/archive/2004/02/06/169.aspx There's your comedy show. " " In any case, to repeat myself again, I'm not trying to get you to say it's ok for me or any other person to use the n-word. I'm letting you know I don't take this kids sob story seriously because he had obviously heard the word from his peer group before, without bringing up a huge scandal. English teachers do crap like this all the time. My english teacher counted incorrect...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Kweli4Real ·
So Jaco ... Using your logic, you'd be okay with someone outside of your immediate peer circle, including an adult in authority telling you to sit down "Bitch" or "Fag" or "Asshole" ... Because you and they have heard it used in your peer circle, even by you? You'd run your little teenage Canadian ass to the nearest snitching post to have that adult's head. How is this even relevant? What part of cultural loaded word/phrase don't you understand? The above nonsense clearly demonstrates that...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
IRRELEVANT!!! And everything else you're "trying" - i.e. displaying - with your lawn chair logic is IRRELEVANT as well. Now, whoever you thought you were talking... Where did they(I) say, "You're trying to get us(me) to say it's ok for Whites(you) to use the N-Word." Logically, you can't get that out of anything I said, for certain: The thing is, it's really telling when people like you make an issue out of and try to justify Whites using the N-Word. That is, indeed, what you've "tried" to...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Jaco ·
I've told you what I think, you've had a load of fun attacking that, now heres something you can attack and possibly get somewhere. Why I think it. The only uninterested party who is credible, is the one who's opinion decides nothing, and has nothing to gain or lose by the situation. We only have two opinions as to the teachers intent (excluding the teacher as he obviously has the most to lose and is directly involved). 1) We have the negative opinion of someone who was in conflict with the...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
JACO! The whole point here is that YOU GETS NOWHERE WITH YOUR FAULTY LOGIC, idiotic Circular Reasoning and Anal ABSTRACTIONS! First, foremost and ALWAYS... THE TEACHER'S INTENT IS IRRELEVANT! INTENT defines nor determines NOTHING! INTENT is not the End All, Be All of anything. As the saying goes, The Road To Hell Is Paved With Good Intentions. The Teacher's INTENT is IRRELEVANT because: Put simply... whatever the two parties involved in conversation perceive the meaning of a word to be,...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
JACO, know the hell you're talking about before you open your mouth. Again, THE INTENT or "how it is meant" coming from a White person is IRRELEVANT!!! Second, Black people use of the term has nothing to do with how Black people should regard White people's use of it. There is NO SITUATION (or a very .0000001% few) where a White person can say the word and it not be inherently problematic. As they say, Black people use it AMONGST THEMSELVES as a term of endearment/affection. Simply put,...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
"Very mistaken" When Rickey Moore's friends mourned his death last month, they built a wooden memorial with a cardboard sign for handwritten tributes from friends. One of the first tributes read: "To my nigga forever. We miss you already." A more recent tribute says: "We gon miss you my nigga." Yet the white Cincinnati police officer who shot Mr. Moore was disciplined five years earlier for using the same n-word variation. Officer Thomas Haas says he was trying to subdue a difficult prisoner...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
Slurs often adopted by those they insult Racial slurs such as "spic," "dago" and "mick" still are considered offensive by many people of Hispanic, Italian and Irish descent. But the words also are acceptable slang to many within those ethnic groups. Use of derogatory words by the defamed group is not unusual, some linguists say. Dr. Philip Herbst, author of The Color of Words , says some disenfranchised people believe that taking ownership of offensive words saps them of their power. In his...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Jaco ·
You refuse to acknowledge I've constantly said any of the following, instead "arguing" by restating them as if they were an opposing viewpoint. 1) Yes, the teacher used a word innapropiate to the situation, I've said this several times, as have you. We agree, quit harping on the goddamn point. 2) I HAVE NO FUCKING PROBLEM WITH WHITES NOT BEING ALLOWED TO SAY "NIGGER!" NONE! ZERO! I'VE STATED THIS EXPLICITLY SEVERAL GODDAMN TIMES! QUIT HARPING ON IT AS A VALID REFUTATION OF WHAT I'VE SAID! IT...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Ouwe ·
I wonder if the teacher thought he could and would have a better relationship with his Black students if he used the N-word. I feel the teacher should have known better I don't use the word nor do I like hearing anyone use it. Some try to say the N-word is a word to show affection to another African American. I feel it's a disrespectful word that was created to demean our people for years. I have always been told that you can't polish up SH!+, you can try to buff it, you can also try to...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
JACO?? Put up or SHUT UP! HOW ARE WHITES HARMED BY NOT BEING ABLE TO SAY "NIGGER"? Put up or SHUT UP! You called it "hypocrisy", you invoked the Civil Rights Movement et al... Answer the question. What the FUCK does that mean? HOW ARE WHITES HARMED BY NOT BEING ABLE TO SAY "NIGGER"? "ALL" my azz! Answer the question. What is the "OBJECTIVE TREATMENT" in this whole WHITES CAN'T SAY THE N-WORD thingy that amounts to anything worth mentioning in the same conversation as the Civil Rights...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

nayo ·
'''''I have always been told that you can't polish up SH!+, you can try to buff it, you can also try to shine it - but it's still SH!+. That is what the N-word means to me.""""" ------------------------------ I like that. NMAGINATE, YOU ARE ON POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
Not so fast, NAYO... I have and will still argue against those with ideas or rather undeveloped sentiments that say "Black folks should never say the N-Word." Not that I support saying it... Just that I, for one, am not that anal nor do I buy the lackluster arguments of most who argue against it. Just, FYI...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
Ummmm.... That was an answer to a different question. And the question was NEVER about you "personally." See!? You faked like you answered THE SECOND ONE. HOW WOULD...? HOW ARE...? = Different questions. And, again, NEITHER asked about you "personally." But, thanks... Now it's all clear that all your talk about the thing with the teacher being "JUST AS RACIST" and it being "BIGOTRY" is/was nothing but BULLSHIT!! I read all of that. And all of that is IRRELEVANT! You're still speaking about...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

nayo ·
So, just playing the devil's argument (for entertainment/cognitive muscle flexing), as opposed to having a pov that you actually support? ok. I'm good with that. My pov is that , the 'n' word needs to be obliterated. Since it cannot,and it serves as an excellent tool of institutionalized maintenance of white supremacy/racism, 'I' stand against it anywhere, and everywhere.
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
No. There are positions that don't rest at either pole or reside within absolutes. And I'm cool with that... BUT!!I don't buy that rhetoric. And beyond that, many of the very people who make that argument aren't so keen at recognizing or attacking actual material elements that function as "tools that maintain White Supremacy/Racism." I maintain that the focus on the N-Word is DWELLING ON THE SUPERFICIAL. The N-Word, at best, is symptom, not a cause. It seems to be pretty easy pickings while...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

nayo ·
""don't buy that rhetoric. And beyond that, many of the very people who make that argument aren't so keen at recognizing or attacking actual material elements that function as "tools that maintain White Supremacy/Racism." I maintain that the focus on the N-Word is DWELLING ON THE SUPERFICIAL. __________________________________________ I do'nt believe that we disagree entirely here. You assume that that is my focal/focus for all things 'white supremacist'--- 'the 'N' word'; that is patently...
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Re: Teacher suspended for ten days, after calling student Nigga!

Nmaginate ·
No. I assumed nothing. I was clear in qualifying what I said (and feel) by saying: "...many of the very people who make that argument aren't so keen at recognizing or attacking actual material elements..." I was simply stating my position. Not attacking or assuming anything about yours for we have not had that type of discussion. That is not in contention. But those things mention as "Bulls In The China Shop" really don't speak to "tools" that function in a way to institutionalize and...
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Re: The Cost Of Slavery Was High. But Who Will Pay For It?

BanjiGirl ·
When it comes to reparations for black folks America will always come up with some excuse and nonsensical crap about what they don't owe us, etc, etc. Some of these same "white" folks are the survivors or descendants of the survivors of the Holocaust who feel that it is OK for THEM to receive financial renumeration but not for us. This attitude is basically the "fruits" of nearly 300 years of slavery- a legacy of devaluing the lives of black people. In other words they simply don't give a...
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Re: Cognitive dissonance and the black woman

nayo ·
Awesome post 'Virtue'. I am somewhere in the middle of your 'theory'. Definately not interested in the thug; although I did meet a 'Good Will Hunting' guy several years ago @ Southern U. (Baton Rouge), and I tell you, it was 'touch n' go'; he was a math genius, but had that 'dangerous, 'scary' edge', that my gut instinct threw shade at. Wow! But, I totally get the need/want for not necessarily a God', but someone, who, as you so eloquently stated here: "I suspect on some level...
 
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