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Re: British Black Panthers

Adrian ·
Because what you are stating is in the main ridiculous. The Black Panthers were smashed for various reasons, mainly external, but some internal before crack cocaine was even invented. Here, some who are still around hold reunions: http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-We-Want-Believe-Panther/dp/B000ILYYPS/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1399471211&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=Black+Panther+what+we+say Contact them. Where I was or wasn't is irrelevant.
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Re: British Black Panthers

sunnubian ·
Originally Posted by Adrian: Are you serious? Go google COINTELPRO. They were systematically persecuted, jailed and murdered by the State. The is what I know to have happened to them.
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Re: British Black Panthers

Kocolicious ·
Contact them. I don't NEED to contact them. As I said earlier? I was there. So any other stuff to ME? Is hearsay. Where I was or wasn't is irrelevant Nope. That's where you are wrong! It is VERY relevant. Don't believe me? Talk to those who were apart of it...thinking in some small way that they were contributing and protecting their community. But what it really was where I was? Was total and complete contamination...well the beginning of contamination in our community. They weren't there...
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Re: British Black Panthers

GoodMan ·
Originally Posted by Kocolicious: Yes I'm serious. I didn't stuttter when I said it. I don't have to google anything....I was THERE!!!! What about YOU? Were you there? You're so busy trying to throw me under the bus....ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. Where are the Black Panthers now and where were they DURING the crack cocaine and gang banging explosion in the black community? Don't fillabuster me. I am very CLEAR on the questions I'm asking. Got any answers? Didn't think so. But! Crack Epidemic...
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Re: British Black Panthers

Kocolicious ·
Crack Epidemic happened in the late 80s. Black Panthers were disbanded by 1982. The Black Panthers were a flash in the pan by the mid 70s they were on the downhill, due to COINTELPRO, Infighting, outrageous violence. Black Panthers no longer existed by the time the invention of crack. What you have is various offshoots of the Black Panthers and various attempts of revival. The Crips and Bloods were an attempt to revive the Black Panthers but they descended into a street gang. Crips and...
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Re: British Black Panthers

GoodMan ·
Originally Posted by Kocolicious: Not where I come from. The crack epidemic began in the EARLY 80s in conjunction with the gang banging crisis. The Panthers were having trouble publically in the late 70s and early 80s WHERE I COME FROM. While they were here? Didn't do a DAMN thang but make the black community from WHERE I COME FROM... miserable ...and created the fear of black on black EYE contact. So! As I said before without STUTTERING a word....where I come from? The Black Panther Party...
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Re: British Black Panthers

Adrian ·
Exactly as I was trying to say GoodMan. The Black Panthers were gone by the mid 70s even if unofficially they weren't disbanded till 1982. There were a lot of good people in the early carnations and they did a lot of good in promoting black pride and with breakfast clubs etc. The reasons for drugs and gangs in all communities and especially the black ones are complicated and stem mainly from poverty and desperation which the Black Panthers were attempting, perhaps naively, to end. They were...
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Re: British Black Panthers

sunnubian ·
It also has to be taken into consideration that the Black Panther Party had so many "wanna bees" and had been thoroughly infiltrated by traitors, snitches and government spies, to divide and conquer, cause dissension and commit counter-production acts in the Black community to begin with.
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Re: British Black Panthers

Adrian ·
That was part of the COINTELPRO plan/policy. That isn't conspiracy theory either it's well documented now. Also we can speak about the FBI collusion in the assassination of the very eloquent Fred Hampton in 1960 in Chicago. The Black Panther Party was a broad church with many good and many bad people associated with it. To blanket condemn them or blame them for the problems in black communities of the 80s and 90s (as was done by Kokolicious is very lazy and ignorant thinking which is why I...
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Re: British Black Panthers

Kocolicious ·
To blanket condemn them or blame them for the problems in black communities of the 80s and 90s (as was done by Kokolicious is very lazy and ignorant thinking which is why I felt the need to counter it). There is amble research out there to draw on that would refute that almost entirely. There have always been severe problems in 'ghetto' communities, and they are to do with lack of opportunity which come from poverty and racism, poor eduication, bad housing, etc. etc. You find that in the UK...
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Re: British Black Panthers

Adrian ·
I said it was lazy and ignorant thinking. Nothing you say there makes me think I am wrong. Proper research is not hearsay. The fact all you will believe is your own experience shows you are not open to reasoned debate on the subject. First off the article you add your comments to has nothing to do with the US Black Panther Party. So it's not relevant. Then you write condemnation of an organisation it appears you know little about. Perhaps some elements of the BBP were involved in wrong...
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Kocolicious ·
Huey Newton led Black Panthers died with him. Huey newton died in 1989. If the black panthers dismantled in 1982 how could they have collapsed seven years later? Can't be both, my brotha. Get it right...now. Or...do you mean it collapsed with Huey started smoking his own crack? If so? That's completely DIFFERENT scenario. But!
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Kocolicious ·
. Nothing you say there makes me think I am wrong Not going back and forth to PROVE anything. I've said what I wanted to say to you. I'm tooooooo done.
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Adrian ·
How many emoticons can one person put in a post? To answer the above question. Yes Huey died in 1989. What I presume they meant was by the end of the 70s the leadership of the Panthers was not what it had been. The original earlier carnation did achieve a lot. The whole thing died in the mid 70s when that leadership was killed, put in prison or fled abroad. By 1982 it was officially dead, but it was dying from the early 70s onwards. They achieved a lot. To overthrow 500 years of oppression...
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Re: British Black Panthers

Kocolicious ·
Check this out! Just cuz you say it's so? Doesn't mean that it is. You can SAY whatever the hell you want. It will NOT however CHANGE my perceptive. Not one bit. So go kick rocks whydontcha . Cuz I see you don't KNOW the first THING about RESPECT. And to answer your question as to how many emoticons one can put in a post? As MANY AS ONE WANTS!!! P S I don't have to PROVE anything to YOU. I am VERY....EXTREMELY comfortable with the contribution I gave my community! What about YOU? What have...
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Re: British Black Panthers

homie ·
Kocolicious “Yes I'm serious. I didn't stuttter when I said it. I don't have to google anything....I was THERE!!!! What about YOU? Were you there? You're so busy trying to throw me under the bus....ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. Where are the Black Panthers now and where were they DURING the crack cocaine and gang banging explosion in the black community? Don't fillabuster me. I am very CLEAR on the questions I'm asking. Got any answers? Didn't think so.” The Black Panther Party and what they stood...
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Kocolicious ·
Brother Homie wrote: The Black Panther Party and what they stood for were long gone by the time of the crack epidemic and murderous gang proliferation in California. In fact, Huey Newton himself fell victim to crack cocaine. Today, the Black Panther Party is barely a shell of what they once were. I understand where you're coming from my brotha. But unfortunately I disagree with some of your assessment regarding the black panthers. However I do agree that the black panther party is a shell of...
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Kocolicious ·
Since it appears there are few folks who think I don't KNOW what the HELL I'm talking about cuz I didn't cite works or use academic jargon. I did a little research cuz that's all it takes. So here we go. Let's first start with HOW the black panthers treated the women. BLACK PANTHERS AND WOMANISM OR SEXISM At its beginnings, the Black Panther Party reclaimed black masculinity and traditional gender roles.[66]:6 Several scholars consider the Party's stance of armed resistance highly masculine,...
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homie ·
It is a fact that in the nineteen sixties and seventies the Black Panther Party faced many limitations within the black community at-large. Black social organizations in the decades of the sixties and seventies, e.g., CORE (Congress of Racial Equality), SCLC, (Southern Christian Leadership Council), SNICC (Student Nonviolence Coordinating Committee) and The Nation of Islam, although all of them had the same goals as it related to racial justice and social change, - each operated independent...
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Re: British Black Panthers

Kocolicious ·
I hear ya. But all I KNOW is as a teen growing up in Cali surrounded by these groups....that in the micro-social interaction of neighborhoods in my community....the black panthers were NOT the heroes that many are trying to portray them as today. Now...I don't know what was going on in other cities and states...like San Francisco for example. but what I do KNOW is my EXPERIENCE with them around our schools recruiting youths as young as 13 and 14 years old to join their group for protection...
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Re: British Black Panthers

homie ·
Kocolicious You speak from your heart! Like the Vietnam Veteran who was actually there as opposed to what a book says happened. Given your experience with the Panther Party, - yes, you don’t need to research what you have already witnessed. You are also correct about what happened to many of them and why they became invisible when it came to guns, gangs and drugs in the black community. You have already answered the question. As you pointed out, its because after the demise of the Black...
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Re: British Black Panthers

DennisKalita ·
People aggrandize and make mythology. This is maybe okay but seldom practical. Ego is everywhere. That is the problem. The Panthers, on the E. Coast, liked to show the film, Battle of Algiers in Harlem, a good enough film. I was later in Algeria and met an Algerian revolutionary. He was captured by the French and tortured. Some of his fingernails had been pulled out. Ouch. I never forgot what he said to me; essentially, before the revolution he was a poor man and after the revolution he was...
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Kocolicious ·
Brotha Homie wrote: You speak from your heart! Like the Vietnam Veteran who was actually there as opposed to what a book says happened. Given your experience with the Panther Party, - yes, you don’t need to research what you have already witnessed. You are also correct about what happened to many of them and why they became invisible when it came to guns, gangs and drugs in the black community. You have already answered the question. As you pointed out, its because after the demise of the...
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Kocolicious ·
Brotha DK wrote: This may sound farfetched but think about how much black people affect the US and the world culture. If Africans could go beyond the ego shite, we could lead the world. My brotha! I've been telling my students that FOR YEARS!!! Good to hear someone else say it too. Cuz from my perspective...back in the day before all this religious crap....not only did we lead but....WE DID RULE THE WORLD to heights that appear to be unbelievable today. Possible? It is a long shot since...
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homie ·
Kocolicious some final thoughts about the Black Panther Party A review of black history spanning better than three centuries beginning from the Atlantic slave trade to the election of President Obama beckons the question: In the election of the first black president of the United States, what significant role did the Black Panther Party play in advancing African Americans socially and politically? What are the noted contributions attributed to the Black Panther Party that ushered in and...
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Kocolicious ·
Those are very poignant questions my brotha. And I can only answer from my perceptive in terms on what long term affect did the black panthers have on the chain link from slavery to presidency. There are those who believe that the black panthers [small caps intentionally] made an impact after the civil rights movement by advocating an eye for an eye approach i.e. the use of guns to level the battle field with the establishment i.e. massa. Also during those times we had the vietnam war,...
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Xumbrarchist ·
My brother was in the Black Panthers but he didn't even tell me until the late 80s. He wasn't around the family much in the 60s and 70s. But he says he though the Panthers in California were crazy and the police were trying to get him to be a spy. Xum
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Kocolicious ·
Brotha Xum wrote: But he says he though the Panthers in California were crazy and the police were trying to get him to be a spy. Your brother aint lying. The black panthers in Cali were crazy. I am testimony to that. I saw it with my OWN eyes. But!
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homie ·
As rebellious as I was in the nineteen sixties and seventies, I was never a Panther. Even so, what you folks have stated here is powerful testimony from those who were actually there. “Power to the People Black Power!”
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Adrian ·
I visited the Civil Rights Museum in Memphis last week, on the site of where Martin Luther King was murdered. It has a large section on the Black Panthers and their legacy. It's one of the best museums I've ever visited actually. It also tells of the progression in thinking of Stokely Carmichael, for instance, and SNCC etc to more radical positions. And enforces the point that at least these people did something, anything, they made a stand. Whether they succeeded is another thing but they...
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Re: British Black Panthers

Adrian ·
Kocolicious: so you don't believe in research unless it tells you what you want to hear obviously? Research is more than reading one thing and rejecting the rest. Are you are seriously trying to say it's the Black Panthers fault that there was a crack epidemic, or for guns and crime in the black community, of the US? There are various reasons for that and the Black Panthers aren't it. The reasons are varied, the US is full of guns, the FBI/COINTELPRO, poverty, racism etc. Also there is...
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Kocolicious ·
Brotha Adrian wrote: Kocolicious: so you don't believe in research unless it tells you what you want to hear obviously? Research is more than reading one thing and rejecting the rest. Excuse me my brotha! I was talking about FACT based on MY experience with the panthers. What the HELL are YOU ...talking about? Don't minimize my commentary....to maximize your bullshyte. Ain't happening with me. Got that? Are you are seriously trying to say it's the Black Panthers fault that there was a crack...
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Adrian ·
Well you seem to spend an awful lot of time replying to everyone for someone who doesn't care. If you were there then why do you come across as a 12 year old in the way you type? No I wasn't there. I seriously doubt you were there either to be honest. And I am white. No doubt that'll get your back up too. And from the UK, hence why I was reading an article on the Britsh Black Panthers. Did they start a crack epidmic or gun warfare there. Errrr no. Go to the Civil Rights Museum. You might...
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Kocolicious ·
What I do with my time is MY BUSINESS. Think what you want. Go kick rocks whydontcha. But!
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Kocolicious ·
And I am white. That EXPLAINS it all. So everybody...let's pack it up. The great white hope is now on board. He can tell by his magic wand who is lying and who is telling the truth. And if you don't know...go to his local museum or maybe even the human zoo to get all your answers and facts about the BLACK experience. But!
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DennisKalita ·
Originally Posted by Adrian: Well you seem to spend an awful lot of time replying to everyone for someone who doesn't care. If you were there then why do you come across as a 12 year old in the way you type? No I wasn't there. I seriously doubt you were there either to be honest. And I am white. No doubt that'll get your back up too. And from the UK, hence why I was reading an article on the Britsh Black Panthers. Did they start a crack epidmic or gun warfare there. Errrr no. Go to the Civil...
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Adrian ·
Who says I am a man? Xenophobia and sexism in one post? I would never defend Britain's history. It's extremly ugly in parts. But I think they call your comments irony coming from a US citizen (if indeed you are). Your own history, past and present, is as bad or worse. But whose history is worst is not really the point is it? And my whiteness is indeed irrelevant but I was asked several times to tell who I was. So I did and expected the petty response I got. If I did it the other way round I...
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DennisKalita ·
please . . .
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Momentum ·
Kocolicious your honesty stings, I never heard that perspective regarding the Black Panthers. But I am going to hold on to those strong images I have of the Panthers while respecting your experience too. Thanks that was very interesting. Homie asked where do they stack with other black advocates of that time? And I would say they scared the hell out of white people because white people knew that blacks should be indignant and fed up with racism and treated like second class citizens and...
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Kocolicious ·
Brotha Momentum wrote: Kocolicious your honesty stings, I never heard that perspective regarding the Black Panthers. But I am going to hold on to those strong images I have of the Panthers while respecting your experience too. Thanks that was very interesting. My pleasure my brotha. Cuz I'm all about the truth. And sometimes? It ain't pretty. But!
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Re: Libya Sentences Pan-African Educator to Death by Firing Squad

DennisKalita ·
The upshot of Prez Obama taking out Gaddafi is . . . he gave the country to ISIS.
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Re: Libya Sentences Pan-African Educator to Death by Firing Squad

GoodMan ·
Obama is scum. Even though Gaddafi was an Arab, at least he didn't have Libya a freaking mess... But you know, White liberals and dumbass leftists were talking about the "Arab Spring" and Obama with his CIA cronies found a perfect opportunity to get rid of people they don't like. The contradictions of American liberals and leftists fucking kill me. Support the Arab Spring and at the same time support Palestine... But Gov't supported the Arab Spring and at the same time support Israel... But...
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Re: Libya Sentences Pan-African Educator to Death by Firing Squad

DennisKalita ·
Originally Posted by GoodMan: Obama is scum. Even though Gaddafi was an Arab, at least he didn't have Libya a freaking mess... But you know, White liberals and dumbass leftists were talking about the "Arab Spring" and Obama with his CIA cronies found a perfect opportunity to get rid of people they don't like. The contradictions of American liberals and leftists fucking kill me. Support the Arab Spring and at the same time support Palestine... But Gov't supported the Arab Spring and at the...
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Re: Libya Sentences Pan-African Educator to Death by Firing Squad

Norland ·
Humanity is just comprised of gangs. Leaders; followers. Some just take it upon themselves to kill folks. Some kinds of self-imposed gods to rule over others. Every title some one has, men gave the title to him/her. You're only here because a man and woman had sex and momma didn't abort and decided to bring your sorry ass forth. That goes for all 7 billion of us.
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Re: Libya Sentences Pan-African Educator to Death by Firing Squad

DennisKalita ·
Originally Posted by Norland: Humanity is just comprised of gangs. Leaders; followers. Some just take it upon themselves to kill folks. Some kinds of self-imposed gods to rule over others. Every title some one has, men gave the title to him/her. You're only here because a man and woman had sex and momma didn't abort and decided to bring your sorry ass forth. That goes for all 7 billion of us. Isn't that right? !
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Re: Libya Sentences Pan-African Educator to Death by Firing Squad

Xeon ·
"You're only here because a man and woman had sex and momma didn't abort and decided to bring your sorry ass forth. That goes for all 7 billion of us." Are you sure...????
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Re: Libya Sentences Pan-African Educator to Death by Firing Squad

Norland ·
Xeon You're probably one of those whitey's from the Moon. None of us knows where your sickening ass came from but we'll all be glad when your pig foot colored ass returns. Just when we think you're gone, here you come again. You're like athlete's feet; forever festering in the background.
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Kocolicious ·
I know we live in a country that supposedly promotes freedom of speech....but! My PRESIDENT is NOT a scum. Now the author of this title may be one...but! That's another post. To call the first BLACK president of the UNITED STATES of America...leader of the free world....who is the representative of the plight and legacy of black Africans who founded and build the most powerful nation on Earth a scum? Is the most insultive, disrespectful, vile, loose canon slander a misguided under the...
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Re: Libya Sentences Pan-African Educator to Death by Firing Squad

Norland ·
White folks will be happy when the Republican equivalent of demented high school white boys, get into office so they can send your sons to fight ISIS and come back in boxes or with limbs missing, crazy as all get out/suicidal/homeless, while they count their money all the way to the bank where they're already beyond loaded, live in mansions, sail away on yachts and take flights on private planes all over the planet, while basking in gold and diamonds. We'll be trying to live through storms...
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Xeon ·
"But my president? He;s only been in office a mere 5 years...so he is supposed to eradicate everything that took whitey 400 years to create? This is an good example why FOLKS need to STAY in school. Cuz there is no evidence that my president is worse than those before him. Get it right!!! I call folks like this? TRADERS!!!!! Who don't have a focking clue. " Hmmmmm....Good point!
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