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Re: The Black Commentator vs. The Wall Street Journal

MidLifeMan ·
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Re: The Black Commentator vs. The Wall Street Journal

Nmaginate ·
FULL OF SHIT. WHITE SHIT at that. What the hell are you talking about? What the hell is "The National Standard of Living", WHITE BOY?? And how does that BULLSHIT relate to the reality of things here in America? Note: First, you will have to quantify what the "National Standard of Living (N-SoL)" is. Once you do that, with respect to whatever you're referencing (i.e. whatever it is that makes you call the SoL "national"), you will have to demonstrate how that is what is going on. Don't PUNK...
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Re: Now Speaking of an Endless Loop Cycle of Poverty, Heavy Dependence on Social Welfare

Michael ·
I've lived in predominate Black communities, such as Oakland, Detroit, Baltimore, Compton, Watts, and South Central Los Angeles (when it was predominately Black), the working class community of Inglewood, West of La Brea when it was predominately Caucasian, stayed with a Canadian Caucasian farm family during my youth while with other family members, an integrated community such as West Adams where I continue to live until this day...... .......to which in every instance the predominately...
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

Rowe ·
No, because Black children are not White or Asian children. Black children are just as academically capable, smart, and competent as other children , but because they are Black, they are often times treated differently than other children, particularly in academic environments. Thus, whatever "academic handicaps" that Black students develop as result of past and present mistreatment is not "self-inflicted," but inflicted upon them by society. And this is what "racial identity education"...
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

Nmaginate ·
I had a co-worker, a pretty "squared-away" guy... well, a guy that's pretty much a model employee come at me in much the same way your co-worker did. I mean, here it was and otherwise smart and "good guy" coming at me saying some patently dumb shit about "[Black] people listen to leaders like Jesse Jackson... <*bullshit*><*bullshit*><*bullshit*>" when [1] He and I had never had a conversation about Jesse and [2] He and I had never had a conversation about politics per se,...
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Re: Impeach Bush?

Yemaya ·
After he has admitted spying on American citizens and admitted that the war in Iraq was based on faulty intelligence, you would think that someone other than the press would be talking about impeaching him. The majority party of the senate and congress for the last 3 administrations has been the Republican party. Now they have seized majority power in all branches of the government. Including the "talking point" lackeys and those of self-righteous indignation that often show up on this and...
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

Yemaya ·
MOre questions: Should be even be striving to achieve the American dream? Or should we create our own vision seperate and outside of America? IMO we're already halfway there....
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

MBM ·
That's what I'm asking. What are we moving toward? What should we be dreaming of?
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

umbrarchist ·
The American Dream is a neurotic delusion for stupid White people. You can go to a lot of Black websites and see thread after thread about racism. Economics is more important than racism. I would rather have my home payed for and $200,000 in the bank and live next door to a White racist than live in a Black neighborhood and pay rent to a White man even it the White man was a really nice guy. When do our Black leaders talk about seeing tha ALL BLACK AMERICANS having their homes payed for and...
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

HonestBrother ·
I don't believe in the American Dream. I'm with Umbra in that my goal personally is to achieve economic stability. This is * achievable * . The American Dream - to the extent that 'equality' requires acceptance - is not. Any kind of leverage will only come from $$$-power . We can demonstrate how moral, how intellectually brilliant, trustworthy, and capable we are until we're blue in the face. Hardcore whitey will still demand more proof. So that by no means should be the goal.
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

MBM ·
Well, what does the American Dream mean to you? To most I would think it is a good job, a family, a home, a car. What is wrong with that? Aren't you striving for those things? Don't you want MORE money in your bank account rather than LESS?
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

HonestBrother ·
Let's not talk about a family (I've had that discussion elsewhere) - but if all we're talking about is material goods: car, money, home, job, etc. then sure this stuff is attainable for many of us. Yes I desire economic security and believe it can be achieved - at least speaking for myself. But is that all people mean when they talk about the American Dream? Aren't there all sorts of other warm fuzzy connotations that attach to the term?
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

HonestBrother ·
A better question might be What did you mean by the American Dream? Is it simply group access to these material things that's on a par to that of whites? Or is it also about power - cultural and political as well as economic?
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

HonestBrother ·
To the extent that the American power structure - which is able to mete out rewards and punishments for effort or the lack thereof - is run by whites isn't this the real sticking point?
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

Rowe ·
Hundred years ago, when Blacks were having their bodies hung from trees, their testicles hacked off, and basic rights taken from them on a daily basis, I'm sure someone had pondered this very same question: "What can Black people realistically expect to achieve in this country?" Now, because of our ancestors' unwaivering faith and sacrifice, everyone everywere is asking themselves: What can't those Black people realistically achieve in this country? Black people have survived the worst...
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

HonestBrother ·
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

Black Viking ·
You must have been reading my mind Rowe, you took the words right out of my mouth. I've always felt that the American Dream was my dream, your dream, anyone's dream, what ever dream that is. This is the country where it can happen. No matter how bad things get, we always push through because we have a hope for something better. America has a sense of hope that I think is gone in most of the rest of the world. Despite all our short-commings I believe we a blessed.
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

umbrarchist ·
This is a graph of the bankruptcy rate for the United States. Notice on the left that it is not linear, near the bottom it is 100, near the top it is 10,000. This is the American dream in the REAL WORLD. Since Christmas I have emailed 1200 economists about this ignoring consumer depreciation business. I have gotten back 5 responses. One of them said my information was "interesting." They can't solve a grammar school algebra problem for 50 years and it's "interesting." umbrarchist
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

HonestBrother ·
Un-CON-structive Feedback, that's not a claim. That's a fact. Do you dispute its accuracy? Only an idiot would be ignorant of the significance of the statement "I believe in states' rights" within the context of American political life. But then I promised not to call you any names. It wasn't just a 'visit'. It was the first stop in a * Presidential Campaign * to a po dump town only known for one goddamned thing. You know...I almost agree with this statement. I won't lie. I've had my...
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

Guest ·
Reading for COMPREHENSION is fundamental. I SAID FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE WHITE LIBERAL RACIST as long as the Black man does not express any notions of REAL INDEPEDENCE - such as the drive for REPARATIONS - then the Black man will remain in the good graces of the White Protective Liberal. When Ted Kennedy is "attacking the system" on behalf of the BQPF he is a friend who will help them acheive their goals WITHIN THE SYSTEM ITSELF. When the issue of REPARATIONS comes about it is TED...
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

HonestBrother ·
GOODIE !! You're already learning for 2006!!!! You're going to get reparations from the party of George W? You're kiddin right? As usual, your assertions depend on rigid stereotypes of * both * White Liberals AND black liberals. I'm not going to waste my time picking this crap apart. There are no more xenophobic capitalists. Where have you been for the last 15 years?
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Re: Vouchers ???

Sweetwuzzy ·
Do you think the vocher movement today has the intention to desegregate ??? If the U.S. models its educational system like Poland or Belgium, most likely American schools will be segregated, but the segregation probably will not matter, because poor performing schools will be shut down, and the students from the poor performing schools will be put into educatinally better schools.So the children from poor performing schools will not be left hanging.
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Re: Vouchers ???

Guest ·
Please review the 20/20 Special on Education in which they traveled to Belgium to consider why they outperform AMERICAN CHILDREN of all races. Educational funding gets applied to the CHILD and not the school system. The kids are allowed to obtain educational services from any outlet the parents choose. This creates COMPETITION for quality educational services. The problem is that many American educational advocates are seeking to PROTECT THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM rather than EDUCATING OUR...
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Re: Vouchers ???

Sweetwuzzy ·
Thats exactly what I said. The money is attached to the child . And this creates competition.
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Re: Vouchers ???

Nmaginate ·
I don't think either JWC or SweetWuzzy quite got Nmag's clear point. With all the anti-school desegregation machinations where Whites tried to get government funding for their private schools... I'm like trying to see how come that RACIST history is ignored or forgotten. To answer Sweet... The intention is for Whites to obtain government subsidies for their private school perogatives. The problem and even the reason for concern over integration is how it is an American Social/Political Fact...
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Re: Vouchers ???

Empty Purnata ·
Now there is no debating that. Anyone who tries to deny the fact that "school vouchers" have a racist past, and most likely a racist modern-day intent, have their heads buried in the ground. Of course, many White racists will deny it to the end, and their Black-faced, chicken-eating, greasy-grinnin', coon-shuffling lackies will follow them to the ends of the Earth and beyond.
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

FireFly ·
First off, I think it's important for everyone to assess and reassess their goals frequently. Because life, and our lives don't remain static. So it is a great question to ask of ourselves - what is our version of the American (or Australian) dream? Wanting a house (territory), a car (mobility), and income (security) is fine, however the perception and reality of the so-called American Dream depend entirely on the person dreaming the dream. OK call me a wet blanket but... A lot of people...
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

MBM ·
Folks, respectfully, it seems that the conversation is focusing on something that was only a minor detail in the question. Instead of arguing about whether we should embrace some nebulous concept like the American Dream - please answer what we should be focusing on, what we should be dreaming about. Who cares what it is called, what is it that we should aspire to in the first place?
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

MBM ·
I'm not sure what you are asking. Clearly there is a positive correlation between consumer debt and bankruptcy. That that correlation increases exponentially with greater debt is intuitive. What specifically are you asking? "consumer depreciation business"? Are you just noting that consumers are, on average, buying more "stuff" now than before and financing it with consumer debt? Are you inferring that the whole idea of the American Dream is something that is designed to advance consumerism...
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Re: Racism Out Of "Racism-Deniers"

Empty Purnata ·
But, I have a few theories on who and what CON-Feed is (and he's not the only one here like himself, Michael Lofton doesn't count, he's a Spambot): 1) A CONSERVATIVE WHITE GUY WHO VIEWS BLACK PEOPLE AS BEING "BENEATH HIM" COMING HERE TO SPAM THE SITE WITH TRIPE (WHILE PRETENDING TO BE BLACK) THINKING HE CAN GET US TO BREAK DOWN AND ACT ALL "NIGGERISH" SO HE CAN GET A GOOD LAUGH. 2) An extremely sheltered Black man who grew up in a middle-class/rich home by Black Middleclass parents who told...
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Re: Vouchers ???

Nmaginate ·
Well, if that's anything close to his idea then surely he realizes that the schools are a reflection of the society. It's an indictment of the society, it's contradications and conflicting motives and myths. There is no way, save a DUMB one, to intelligently maintain that the conditions of American schools are the product of any one cause or culprit. The fact that schools, those that are less than up to par are what they are reflect on this society's commitment to education above politics...
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Re: Education: then and now, Thomas Sowell

Rowe ·
This statement is incorrect. According to research studies, most students who apply (and are accepted) into teacher education programs are White females. In fact, school systems across the country have and still are reporting a shortage in Black and Latino teachers, particularly Black male teachers. In response to this shortage, school systems have partnered with teacher education programs across the country in an effort to recruit more minority teachers. Please refer to the thread " Are...
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Re: Vouchers ???

Nmaginate ·
Yahoo!! PUSSY!!! Over << here >> PUSSY!!! Man, I feel like the Gap Band singing, "You Can't Keep Runnin'"... But your PUNK ASS is full of sprints. Why is it that RHETORIC is the only and best tool in your busted ass tool box, CON-Feed? Never the one to engage. So you just BULLSHIT! Now, let's have it. What is the source of your Flailing, Grasping ISSUES? You obviously will never understand or submit to comprehending ENLISH!!! What's up with this connection you're trying to...
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

umbrarchist ·
That is an interesting sentence. What is the reality of a dream, any dream? I don't give a damn about any dreams. I am talking about understanding reality and manipulating it into a more desireable future reality. The future is coming and will enentually be the current reality, but what it will be like depends on decisions we make and actions we take today. But our decisions depend on our understanding of current reality. That association between income and security for instance. There are...
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

FireFly ·
OK I was talking about the perception of the dream vs the reality. The dreamer asks themself: What is the dream and is the dream achievable? Does the dream translate to a plan or an ideology? Is the plan or ideology actionable? What would it take to achieve that dream? What would 'I' sacrifice to achieve that dream? Is the dream a mirage, an escape, or a fantasy. eg. I dream to become a celebrity. I do take your point about General Motors, but I feel you're nit-picking a tad... for the sake...
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

Sandye ·
IMHO, we should be striving to become a unified, self-sufficient African American community. We should encourage and support small individuals who have the potential to be the next Donald Trump or Bill Gates. We should establish more of our own banks, improve our urban "blight", develop business and professional incubators to enable us to decrease our dependency on those who seek our demise rather than our growth. Education is certainly key to self-sufficiency and we should strive to...
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

James Wesley Chester ·
We, Americans who are African American, should aspire to a place and role of parity in American society. That place will enable us, as a people, to (finally) have equal protection under the law. That place would have our ancestral nationality to be recognized as an integral party our society. That place would enable us to function as individuals as every other individual in our society. PEACE Jim Chester
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Re: What's At The End of the Rainbow?

humblelynn ·
I think what we should be striving for and what we continue to strive for is reclaiming our communities and finding ways to make sure our youths aren't statistics. I don't believe that the truth myth of the American Dream exist for most Americans, and it has never existed for African Americans. Black Millionaires still cannot conquer the sickness of white supremacy, and as long as white supremacy exist, the American Dream cannot be and has never been a reality. As opposed to chasing after...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

FireFly ·
fair enough - I just took that if something had 'halted' then whatever it was had already begun. Keep in mind I have zilch experience and knowledge of a lot of US politics - local and national - just a rough 'outline', so things like Affirmative Action, or when Clinton asked in 1997 'to begin a great national conversation on race and conciliation' that I have a limited view - limited to access on information, limited in viewpoint as an outsider, and a white outsider to boot. I have to ask a...
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Re: A Declaration of Unity and Vested Interest in America

James Wesley Chester ·
No, I didn't write it. But does kinda look like 'my stuff'. Right? Out of curiosity, and with it being the MLK Holiday, I thought I would post this piece without credits. This piece is the seminal resolution of the Free African Society Convention of 1817 held in Philadelphia at Bethel A.M.E. Church. The convention and its resulting resolution was in repudiation of the American Colonization Movement to deport African American-Americans. It is the seminal document to the foundation of African...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

Nmaginate ·
NO! It is exactly that unbalance relationship that leads to a stalled, halted or forsaken "dialogue." Arguably, people could say Dr. King and Pres. Lydon Johnson started a "dialogue." For sure, a number of common folk or community leaders, mostly educators and religious leaders have had "dialogues." But hardly any thing that can be regarded as a serious "dialogue" where it counts, in the halls of power. As for Clinton's deal, you can research and look for opinions about that "conversation".
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

James Wesley Chester ·
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."---King I like that. It should be on a wall someplace, or used in the opening of every African American church. After all, that is the place we be found in numbers on a frequent and regular basis. I have used 'invincible ignorance' for years as an unknowing substitute for 'conscious stupidity'. This strikes me as another way to say the controversial words, 'We are our own worst enemy.' We refuse to...
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Re: Racism Out Of "Racism-Deniers"

James Wesley Chester ·
Anyone else see how denial of racism is just a thinly-veiled attempt to perpetuate it?Empty Purnata Of course, it is. And...they know it. It's the way the game is played. There is no problem...until there is a problem. Then it's 'one of those things' that happen. Nothing to be concern. Aren't you and I friends??? There is no problem and there won't be a problem as long you understand there is no problem. Right? And...there won't be a problem if you don't begin to think you should be treated...
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Re: Racism Out Of "Racism-Deniers"

Kweli4Real ·
In a recent departmental "Team-Building" exercise, we were asked to articulate our "Civil Rights Dream." Everyone gave the pat "I dream of the day when all people are treated fairly, with dignity and respect" or "I dream for the day when there is no longer a need for our department." And, everyone's head was bobbing, "Yep, Yep." Well, at least until they got to me, the only Black male in the division [well, there's one other, but he racially identifies with his white italian mother rather...
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Re: House of Representative is like a Plantation...

James Wesley Chester ·
I am noting that once again Ms Clinton is reaching 'into African American-related heritage to make her point. Like 'It Takes a Village...' I also don't think her analogy is terribly far off the mark, if at all. Washington, D.C. itself is, in fact, constructed on the plantation model. The city is a separate political entity controlled entirely at the discretion of the U.S. Congress, without active representation in the business of the nation. In its original construction, the residents...
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James Wesley Chester ·
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

FireFly ·
My question is do the general public white Americans take the opportunity to ask questions about race of any kind? This may not be 'dialog' but it's a way to begin to find out how other people think. To ask what's it like to be black is a valid question for someone who isn't. It's an attempt to understand another viewpoint. It's a start... not a whole conversation. I do understand the above. I see there being two sides to the process. Clarifying one's own beliefs certainly. And having the...
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Re: Vouchers ???

James Wesley Chester ·
I guarantee you that black children will suffer the most from the voucher system. Keep in mind that private schools can be very selective when it comes to admissions. They DON'T have to take any and all comers. If a child tries to gain entry from a low performing school and brings with him/her a discipline record as long as a cafeteria table, do you actually believe they will allow said student to walk their hallowed halls?? Nope.---DogBreath Rather than 'naysay' the thing, why not take the...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

James Wesley Chester ·
I almost hate to add to this already clear issue. Almost. Without simple cynicism, there is nothing to be gained by engaging in discussion to 'educate' European-Americans, or European America. Both are 'consciously ignorant', as in invincibly ignorant. We do not owe such an effort to either African America, or America herself. That ignorance, of the European American, is a cultured, and treasured perspective that successfully resisted all efforts to effect change. That 'promised land' is not...
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Re: The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting

Nmaginate ·
Well, ART_GURL, with JWC weighing in as EVERYONE (other than me) *lol*... It would seem that, in all your questions, with all the answers you're "looking" for, with all the answers you've gotten... Well, it's clear that you're just not listening. So, AG? Are you listening? You have been given information, rather freely I might add, about "what is needed for equal rights, equal opportunities..." But somehow, because of some pre-set idea you know you have ("two sides")... you're just not...
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