Firefly, if qty wants to give me a PM so we don't flame the topic thread, then that's fine with me.
I just don't want to hear about the "majority of the girlfriends that you know" don't date thugs, when the circle of friends that you know and the women outside your circle of friends are totally different, which many do date thugs. Neither one of us knows every single woman outside our own circle of friends, and you can't be in denial that there are women (not saying all or most) who are attracted to knuckleheads and date/marry/have children with them.
Forget about who is or isn't a hottie or "plain Jane." The topic is "Why do women love knuckleheads?"
The knuckleheads are getting dates, so there's no need for anybody to be in denial that they don't exist. Ask Whitney and Britney. These guys aren't crawling into bed with yield signs.