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Originally posted by Saracen:
Peace....


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Are you HONESTLY trying to tell me and yourself that the Ausarian principles of KMT have not been effected by Arabic culture? The patriarchy in the NOI's teachings speaks for this alone!


The arabs were never given enough understanding to corrupt what was left in their care.


It is evem easier to corrupt things when you don't understand them, just as the Europeans did with X-tianity.

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The Holy Qur'an Sharrief is a revelation which was never fully unraveled by the arab world of muslims.

The Book is what I am speaking of.

Islam not only travelled through the arab world, it was also emanated through the vessel of the African Moor. The Moors were able to maintain their own indigenous culture and demonstrate the beauty which results from the application of the principles within the Holy Qur'an.


So the indigenous culture of Africans is different from that taught in the Qur'an? That is somewhat of a contradiction(considering your premise). The Moors were Arabized Africans. In Senegal it is similar. The Islam that is practiced their is very Africanized(or from your point of view, re-Africanized), but it still has the underlying deification of Arab culture that is expected.

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African Islamic scholars such as Ibn al Arabi, and Dhu l-Nun Al-Misri, demonstrate the clear transference of ancient Kemetic wisdom to a new generation of Africans.

The Sufi doctrine is so close to what was taught in Kemet that there can be no mistake of its origin, and the manner of it's transmission. Dhu l Nun Al Misri, was himself a Kamite, and was said to have learned the ancient wisdom of the people of Kemet. He was able to read Mdw Ntr, and his learning in the mysteries is blatant in the ideology of Sufism.

The Sufi speaks of the annihilation of the self, and the joining of God in oneness, this is a process which includes music, meditation, study and purity, this idea mirrors the Kemetic teaching of man rising from Sahu, to Ausar. You will also find this as a core principle in the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. "God In Person" is perfectly consistent with the idea of man aligining himself properly and becoming Ausar, God in Person.


I actually like studying Sufi Islam(I've posted on the 'KeMeTic relationship' in the spiritual section) because of this, just as I like the Hindu religion(minus it's Aryan influence, which is present), just as I like Gnosticism(minus it's hellenic influence, which is present), but I can also see the partriarchal cultural footprints of the Arabs in all forms of Islam just as I see the patriarchal footprint of the Indo-Europeans in X-tianity and Hinduism.

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Oshun, in your view when you see Islam, you see Arabs, However, this view is not my view. When I see Islam, I see a continuance of ancient principles which stretch even further into antiquity than the age of the Pyramids, and the carving of the Nile...


That's the same thing the X-tians claim. I don't see Islam=Arabs, I see Islam=the deification of Arab culture on top of, or intermixed with a borrowed/stolen/handed down(whatever you want to call it) KeMeTic offshoot... Like all the Abrahamic religions.


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Dr. Ben John Henrick Clark and countless other African historians disagree with you and your NOI version of Islamic history.



I have been a student of the writings of Dr. Ben for nearly 20 years now, I can tell you with certainty that the beliefs of the NOI do not coflict with what he has taught. Dr. Ben is no fan of Islam as taught by Arab muslims. He is also vocal as it relates to his disdain for the Arab invaders who intentionally destroyed much of the infrastructure of KMT. Dr. Ben joins the NOI in the belief that the arab was ignorant.

Islam is not the property of Arabs...


But these invaders/colinizers have been it's 'custodian' as you say...They left their cultural footprint, much like the Europeans have on X-tianity, I think that the deifications of both cultures is so ingrained in both religions that it is nearly impossible to get back to the 'root' in any pure African sense, in ideology or practice, and why would one have to muddle through all of the confusion when the traditions of our ancestors are DIRECTLY available to us and still practiced?

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Religion is the deification of culture -Dr. Ben



The practice of raising the dead in KMT was a religious practice, however in this case the culture was dominated by the religion. This was also the case for many Islamic states such as the early Moorish Empire which was heavily influenced by Sufism.

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You can pretend that outsiders are the proper 'custodians' of African spirituality and culture if you wish...


The arabs were never the Custodians of the understaning, only the book. The Arabs have faithfully maintained the scripture in it's original form. Muhammad (pbuh) was a Rasul (Messenger) and thus like any mail carrier he was only a Mouth piece. God uses such mouth pieces to demonstrate the authenticity of the message. When such wisdom comes from the mouth of spiritual children like the bedouin, then the wise know to pay close attention. Muhammad was an uneducated man raised among a wild people, however the Qur'an evidences knowledge and wisdom which clearly could only be produced by someone of Supreme Wisdom.

Muhammad's standing and subsequent success was a demonstration of God's power.


Yes he was illiterate, that is why it is obvious that it is copied African spiritual technology and 'translated/written down' in the context of Arabic culture...Dr. Ben had a field day with this one in a convo with an NOI adherent when he visited here... hence the muddled mess of patriarchy that is the result. Please explain why the Qur'an demonized the divine feminine and matriarchy to the point that it surpasses the demonization of of these concepts in the Helio Biblio?(Compare each Queen of Sheba story, the Islamic one is much more negative)

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BTW I do not take the Ausarian MYTHS as literalist prophesy{as you alluded to).


Have you read Metu Neter volume I and II? Do you agree with Ra Un Nefer Amen? Please answer this before I expand upon this portion of my reply.


Yes, I have read them, I was a memeber of the Ausar Auset society. Did you know that they get their divination done(readings) from Ifa Babalawos? Actually, Ra Un Nefer Amen was a former (disgruntled) Awo who decided to redo everything with the KeMeTic signature so he could get some 'praise'. All the Neteru have an Orisha counterpart... Actually what the Ausar Auset Society practices is the KeMeTically masked vegan version of Ifa. I don't agree with everything the man(or his organizations) teaches, because I've seen the contradications. Also, since the divination system that the KeMeTic system used was supposedly 'lost to history'(but that is another discussion) that is why they go to Ifa Babalawos for their divinations, because if you can't tap into the power of our ancestors and the Orishas(manifestations/aspects of God), the information becomes completely 'cerebreal' and therfore not fully applicable and 'out of balance'. Now why would the Ausar Auset society deal with Babalawos for their readings unless they know that Ifa is based on the same KeMeTic system that transfered(and further developed) with the PEOPLE of the Nile Valley from East to West Africa?

What divination system does the NOI use? I don't remember one... I don't remember any for the Abrahamic religions. They used to have them, but the Esoteric traditions, under Arabic and Indo-European influences have been suppressed. (like the Qaballa)


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KMT fell because of a succession of outside invaders like the Hyksos, Greeks, Romans, Persians, Marmelouks, and Arabs.


This is a weak excuse for such an advanced and powerful nation. No one could have invaded KMT without the willful neglect of those who were suppose to guard against such things. Most cannot fathom the advancement of Kemetic civilization. A nation responsible for the erection of the worlds most grand skyscrapers, a nation which leveled mountains, and organized courts, colleges, and circumnavigated the globe before most other civilization rose beyond hunter gatherere would hardly be the target of barbarians...Unless they allowed it willfully....

I am suggesting that they allowed the invasion....The setting Sun had to come..It was time.


So some think... Blame the victim... The PEOPLE and the traditions of the Nile Valley complex moved to the West, partially because of such invasions... The flaw in this type of reasoning is that people think that because KeMeTic civilization is no longer present in the same form in the same region that it got wiped out... It moved and developed/changed slightly as all cultures do, but African spiritual technology sure wasn't given by divine inspiration to some illiterate Arab. Religions do not develop in a cultural political vacuum.

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You may want to revisit "The destruction of Black Civilization".


I am familiar with Chancellor Williams...Most scholars approach the subject of "What", however they are stumped when they look into "Why"...

Why did the great power of KMT allow for it's own destruction??? Why was the Priestcraft found instructing the very invaders who would later raise Set as the National Hero, and would defile the righteous culture developed over thousands of years?

Because they had to...It was Set's time to rule...It is that simple...

When Ausar would be found he would be founded in a strange land among a people unfamiliar with his name and tradition. It would be Auset, the Mother who by the power of Hekau would raise Ausar, and give Birth to Heru in the last day to make war with Set, and his Apepian Kingdom...Heru was the Son of the Ausarian mind, but he was represented as a lord of flight..There is something in this for those who would reflect....

Enter the baby called Islam, founded right in Puanit, the original land of God.

The Ausarian story is not literal history, however it is more than just stories about nothing...


Alright Sister, I hope you have stopped laughing by now... Smile


Actually I haven't...(and I'm not trying to be a smart ass even though it may read that way) This made me chuckle quite a bit more.

I agree that all mythos aren't just 'stories about nothing'. I never claimed such a thing, but I don't understand folks, especially folks who are so well versed with the KeMeTic system, clinging to any Abrahamic religion. It's quite strange(and somewhat humorous) IMO. You know, there were and are other advanced civilizations in Africa...

http://africanamerica.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/19370808/m/7551004381

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We have totally different views of history, which is often the case when I speak to NOI folk, So I do not see us as coming to any agreement


I am an individual...I welcome you to explore this with me..Perhaps we both can learn a few things..eh??



Kai


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