Ummm... No, obviously, you don't. And this is exactly why:quote:Dialog" isn't about "knowing", it's about telling.
I do understand the above.
"I see there being two sides to the process."
I'm going to be crude because you're working under the false assumption that Black people need to know something about White people. That's a rather curious idea especially when you say:
Very few white people ever think about 'being white' and what that means... white privilege.
Hmmm... Black people know White Privilege. What is it you think Black people stand to learn about White people they don't already know? Things that are relevant to what we're talking about.
AG, you can't talk about how you see the process while at the same time claiming you're not sure what you mean when you talk about a "Dialog." Seriously, think about that. And this too:
Hmmm.... Just ask yourself, did it take mixed race discussions for Black to figure out what it's like to be Black in America? Think about what you're asking and what you're really saying this Dialog is about. What? Helping White people see White Privilege because they can't or won't do it by themselves?quote:I see it as everyone's responsibility [to get white people to think about "being white" and what it means]. And for that to happen there also needs to be a giant leap in consciousness [for whites]. I'm not sure if that discussion can be held separately or outside of mixed race discussions.
Seriously... Think about that.
Seriously think about how you do have an idea about what you want the Dialog to be about and how the process you prefer is really all about focusing on helping Whites. That is unless you can articulate some actual benefits Blacks are suppose to get out of the process you keep referring to. The clearest articulated goal and purpose for this "Dialog" is White-centered.
No, for an actual Dialog, an actual conversation worth anything when it comes to forwarding the Dialog referenced in the title-article... No. What's It's Like To Be Black IS NOT a valid, much less relevant question.quote:To ask what's it like to be black is a valid question for someone who isn't.
You need to know "What It's Like To Be Black" FOR WHAT? You see, instead of even you "thinking about what it's like to be White" and thinking and talking about White Privilege, you'd rather focus on something that's really immaterial to anything meaningful. The whole quest is meaningless unless you can speak to the purpose for wanting to know "What It's Like To Be Black" and how that is going to do anything in terms of effecting change.
You need to understand that viewpoint for what?quote:It's an attempt to understand another viewpoint.
Okay. What's the rest. Speak at length about what the rest is. So far you've only talked about "the start." The start of WHAT?quote:It's a start... not a whole conversation.
From Day One in the USA, e.g., Black people have been telling White people "What It's Like To Be Black." Obviously, that's has only gone so far. But, go ahead, talk about the rest of the process. Talk about the part of the process where Black people actually get something out of the process. So far, again, you've only mentioned what Whites stand to gain (knowledge/understanding of "What It's Like To Be Black") but, even though you say you see "two sides", you haven't offered anything tangible or meaningful in terms of what Blacks are suppose to get out of the process.
Now, since "very few White people ever even think about White Privilege and What It's Like To Be White", etc. what do White people even have to offer in such a conversation? Seriously, WHAT?
Seriously, you need to think about those things and be honest about what you know you mean when you say "Dialog". Get in touch with, identify and be honest about what you're saying - preferring.
#1: You should be coming up with the questions White people "should" be asking themselves. You and other White people. That's a start.quote:Two questions please (for everyone):
1. What questions should white people be asking themselves?
2. What questions do African Americans want to ask white people?
I mean, seriously, as discussed earlier, instead of properly directing your questions to White Americans about stalled, halted talks on Race, here you are on AA.org asking Black people what happened in a process that ultimately was all about what White people were willing to deal with. Being crude, you have a lot of things twisted. And I must reiterate that, on this very subject, there is nothing (little if anything) that Black people "want" to ask White people. So why do you assume there is?
There is NOTHING Black people "want" to ask White people about "What's It Like To Be White." That's pretty trivial and the least of Black people's concerns given THE CONTEXT of what the Dialog is for. That is unless you really have some other unexamined, unidentified reason (explicitly, that is) for this dialog.
You keep talking about the "start" but you're not thinking this process through to the end. Matter of fact, your idea, your pre-set idea about "two sides" structured the way you would have it - with no clear meaningful, relevant or significant benefit for Black people - doesn't lead to a full conversation, let alone a solution to anything. In fact, we're not having a Dialog now. For you this is not about an equal exchange:
There and elsewhere, besides saying how you want White people to get something out of the exchange, you have said nothing else about your expectations, what you feel a "Race Conversation" will accomplish and what's in it for Black people. You've been clear about how White people stand to gain. So, you can either be honest and say that, in your view, this is all about helping White people or really think about what it is you're claiming to be for and realistic (and honest) about what you're actually trying to get out of this for Whites first and foremost, apparently.quote:As for Clinton's deal, you can research and look for opinions about that "conversation". I started to mention it but since you did: What Impression Did You Have In Terms Of What It Set Out To Accomplish? Given this conversation you and I are having and my mention of Power Relationships, if that Clinton "Race Conversation" wasn't going to negogiate anything, wasn't going to produce something binding then is was of little, if any meaningful value. Why would you believe otherwise, since apparently you do?