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Reply to "The 'Promised Land': Why We're Still Waiting"

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Seriously, you would have to tell me when an actual process of a Dialogue even began, in earnest. And that's the thing. In my thinking, an earnest attempt would require dealing with that one thing that caused us (you and I) some trouble earlier - WHITE SUPREMACY.

fair enough - I just took that if something had 'halted' then whatever it was had already begun. Keep in mind I have zilch experience and knowledge of a lot of US politics - local and national - just a rough 'outline', so things like Affirmative Action, or when Clinton asked in 1997 'to begin a great national conversation on race and conciliation' that I have a limited view - limited to access on information, limited in viewpoint as an outsider, and a white outsider to boot. I have to ask a lot of seeming basic questions to try to piece together not just events themselves, but the experience of those events, and their affect on everyday Americans, in this instance, African Americans.

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My view, when talking about Race RELATIONS, there has to be a real conversations about RELATIONSHIPS. Power Relationships. In short, there can be no dialogue when a Slave - Master Relationship, a "Superior-to-Subordinate" relationship is asserted/imposed.

I understand this concept. Although can there be no meaningful dialog before that relationship is balanced/equal, that in fact leads up to that?

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And, actually Art_Gurl, your questions about what happened to the "dialog" would be much more well placed if you posed it to White America(ns).

Fair comment. Are there any/man white Americans discussing issues like this? Keeping it on the agenda?

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I would think this forum is and remains living proof that Black people sure aren't ignoring issues and refusing to talk.

Definitely. Perhaps some of it is also to do with the opportunity, or lack of creating opportunies, to talk. And is there a lack of willingness on both sides for black + white dialog? I don't know... just asking.

Which leads me to ask... When Saul Williams visited Sydney the other day, for half the program (ie. he ran 40mins over) he asked the 96% white audience to ask him questions about anything. So in between his poetry, different people asked him questions about various things including gender bias in hip-hop, why do people still use the nigger word, etc. The Americans in the audience (who granted were familiar with Saul) all asked music-based questions, whereas the white fairly young audience asked the political quesitons because they were genuinely interested and curious. There's a lot of hip-hop music here, and a black club scene, but it's tiny so there's not much opportunity to ask Africans or African Americans about their history in day-to-day conversation. The question is... I wondered whether a non-black American audience would ask those kinds of questions in the USA? Really, can anyone tell me?

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Also, I still have no idea of what your idea of a "dialog" is.

I'm not being facetious when I say I don't exactly know either. I'm not avoiding the dialog, it's more that I am dog-paddling trying to stay afloat, because I have limited knowledge and I don't want any discussion between myself and someone else to get hijacked either by semantics, or my lack of depth of knowledge. I am stuck on one edge of the abys... a skinny ledge of limited knowledge on one side, on the other side a genuine desire to know and somehow contribute, and below, a gaping chasm of things still to learn and comprehend.

I would think that's pretty obvious by the length of time it's taken for me to get my point across. Roll Eyes Wink

So to me, any dialog is a bit like fishing, I am throwing out the morsels of what I know but might not fully understand, hoping to catch the attention of someone/anyone who frankly, may have better things to do, but is willing to take my fragments and flesh them out enough to help me see the full picture. And I do want to see the full objective, picture.

Without the full picture, it's frustrating to have any dialog at all. But I can still take on board the concepts.
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