Originally posted by Oshun Auset:quote:
Originally posted by jazzdog:
Having come from a country like Angola I can see where you perception of the army, police and judiciary cloud your opinion, but just because thats how you lived does not mean thats how life in this country is.
Cheap shot Jazzdog...irrelavant and tacky IMO.
Whats cheap about it he clearly has indicated that his opinion is based on his life experiences living in Angola. I simply pointed out that his experiences are not atypical of life in this country. Not cheap just the truth.quote:
For instance I'm positive that every person served by the police and the judiciary are not ruling members of the elite but ordinary everyday people who needed help.
So are you saying the military and police haven't been and/or aren't used as an oppressive force by the elite, or the interests of the elite in this country? Are you serious?
Not at all, what I'm saying is that the military and the police serve more then just the interest of the elite in this country as anybody who has called for help and received can attest to.quote:
Additionally you display that flawed thinking in that this corruption of power is only displayed in capitalistic/imperialist countries whereas history as clearly shown the corruption of power happens in all political/economic systems whether it be capitalistic or socialist it doens't matter, all you are doing is just re-spewing that same old tired capitalism is evil statement.
Corruption of power is everywhere but Capitlaism MAAXIMIZES it. Capitalism is evil. Unless you are looking through "Euro-centric elite rose coloured" glasses. How is it benefitiary if looked at the mass working class and poor African-centered(or even just non-European elite) perspective? The interests of the oppressed CAN NOT BE the same as the interests of the oppressor.
But he didn't say that and neither do most people. I find it always amazing that the people who complain the most about capitalism are the ones who most fail to take advantage of it. Capitalism is not a system strictly limited by birth right or even color of skin, if that was the case then no people of color anywhere in the world would be taking advantage of it. So there is a mass working class, ok so what, everybody successful in this world with the exception of those born with a silver spoon in their mouth has spend some time in the mass working class and even working poor.quote:
You like many people totally condemn the suffering inflicted by the american military but for some reason fail to mention or condemn the suffering that militant Iraqis are inflicting on their own, does not those innocents also suffer or is it simply ok since they are killing their own. If war and the killing of innocents is wrong its wrong for everybody however for some reason the notion of it being wrong only seems to applied when the person is an American soldier.
Militant Iraqis are largely targetting different ethnic groups other than their own so all this (their own) crap is hogwash. That's about as logical as saying the White southerners who lynched Black folks were "targetting their own". They are different people. Iraq is not an ethnically homogenous society. Secondly, I sure don't think there would be militant Iraqi insurgents if there wasn't an imperialist occupation in the first place! Do you really take the U.S. media's reports on who is killing who at face value? You don't think even _some_ reports may be being manipulated especially when it comes to those fighting against the U.S. imperialism?
Give me a break.
You really need to take a break yourself, so its ok for them to kill each other because they are actually different ethnics groups but its bad when we do it. If the whole nortion is that innocents being killed is bad then shouldn't it be bad for everybody. I seriously doubt that the person being killed appreciates his or her fate better knowing that it is a fellow Iraqi versus an American putting a bullet in their head. And to suddenly doubt the medias reporting on the deaths happening among non-combatants when even foreign media sources had reported the facts seems borne more out of some tired old idea that the entire US media foundation reports stories on the whim of the government. If that was the case we wouldn't have the stories that we have coming out of Iraqi.