quote:Originally posted by Noah The African:
If men are attracted to sex, PERIOD, as you say, then does it not logically follow that if women control the offering of sex to men that they could steer men's behavior?
Noah - men and women enjoy sex equally. The fact that you associate a double standard to that feeds the rest of your misperceptions on this issue.
BTW - IF there was any control here it would be counterbalanced by the man's control over commitment and marriage.
quote:Men cannot have intercourse by themselves, they need the women and if women are only giving it up under a certain set of conditions, say something wild like MARRIAGE, then such restrictions would naturally inspire men to get married, due to their obsession with sex.
Why aren't you simply pushing men to be more moral and just about their sexual behavior? If you are concerned with sex out of wedlock - why not equally apply responsibility and higher standards to both parties to solve that problem? Why is that seemingly exclusively the woman's problem in your opinion?
You associate a completely self serving and sexist construct to frame the issue of male and female sexuality in a way that categorically panders to the basest of male urges. It is desinged to perpetuate male supremacy and to subjugate women. You're cool with that?
quote:To suggest that the responsibility of male behavior rest solely with the man ignores the reason why men behave as they do. Your position is not tenable, because it ignores reality.
It absolutely amazes me that you cannot see the absloute absurdity of what you write. Men have no control. They are sexual beasts. The pussy was there so I had to take it!! You know this is logically consistent with the argument that the rape victim wore suggestive clothing so she invited the rape.
quote:Yes, men SHOULD be responsible, but how should women respond or protect themselves and their future in light of the EVIDENCE that many men are NOT being responsible and utopians offer no viable plan for such behavior to change?
You want advice. Cool.
Men - unless you are prepared to deal with the potentially life long consequences of your sexual behavior - govern yourself accordingly.
Now - how simple is that?
quote:So, you are saying that biology has no bearing on behavior MBM? I will wait for your research results and methodology to be published in the New England Journal of psychology before I accept that proposition. That is absolutely absurd. Behaviors are a product of nature and nurture my good friend, not just one or the other and biology is a product of nature.
Brother - reading is fundamental. Here is what I said:
Being biologically "unequal", IMO, has no bearing on male behavior or how we administer the characteristics of responsibility and judgment and discipline etc. in our lives.
And . . .
We are adult human beings. We are thinking rational mammals. We have moral and ethical capacity. We have the God given ability to act NOT on impulse devoid of reason, but out of thought and judgment. Those who do not do so should not be excused because of their personal weakness.
In short, men may have impulses (nature) but we also, obviously, have the ability to control and focus those urges in a way that benefits ourselves, our families, and society.
quote:Women should be murdering as many people as men. It's not fair that males be the gender that gets to commit the vast majority of murders. It is sexist to try and keep women from being just a murderous as men.
Society obviously disapproves of murder. Society does not disproportionately disapprove of it from either sex. The fact that men commit more murders than females is precisely indicative of the phenomenon that you are trying to defend. If we can expect men to control themselves as it relates to murder - why not also as it relates to their sexual behavior?
quote:Does not the Bible hold women and men to a different set of expectations and standards? Did not God via nature create men and women different for a purpose? Everything was not meant to be equal.
Brother - first - it is just plain wrong to discriminate against anyone. This is particularly the case of a group that is the majority on this planet and that does (unfairly) bear the burden of life and parenting.
Do you understsand that the Bible was created by men - with an interest in their perpetuating their control and power? Have you not read the stories about the potentially fundamental role that Mary Magdalene played in the development of Christianity? Are you not aware that her role has been minmized in an effort for men to retain control and power over women in the church?
Also - I fundamentally reject any notion that God would create over 50% of the human beings on this earth (women) to be somehow subordinate to the minority (men). This is just patently ridiculous and morally void. The fact that men have sex organs that do one thing and women have others that do other things implies NO difference in roles, rights, and responsibilities.
quote:MAKE and argument....don't FAKE an argument.