quote:Originally posted by Faheem:
Are you kidding me UppittyNegress? Are you actually suggesting that Mexican men and women give up their identity and assimilate into the "American identify".
My choice or words were insufficient to convey my thoughts. "Adapt" would probably be more accurate than "assimilate". Am I suggesting they start calling themselves Bob and Susy, dye their hair blonde, and leave all of their cultural trapping behind? Of course not. However, it is considered normal decency to actually learn the language of your host country, and respect the values and tradition of said country. There is a steadfast refusal of a significant portion of the Mestizo population to do this. And before anyone starts asking "why should they", ask yourself if you'd have the same atttude if I were to somehow illegally cross into Mexico, and then state I shouldn't have to learn Spanish and respect their culture. Would you have the same lax attitude, or would I just be a disrespectful and arrogant person? I say this because I have posed this scenario to many people who like to make the "they shouldn't have to" argument; it seems the argument only applies for people coming to the USA.
quote:No people in there right mind would give up anything that is uniquely theirs in this day and this is why we have urban enclaves of every race and ethnic group that is built around their culture, their religion and their languages.
One thing I didn't properly express was that it wasn't only them refusing to adapt, but actually trying to force their cultures and traditions on US citizens. IFor example, I have a nephew who goes to a school which is now predominantly Mestizo. Let me rephrase that: he is one of only or 4 Black kids in a school of 650 Mestizos and the only Black kid in his second grade class. So many of his classmates don't speak English that the teacher regularly instructs them in Spanish. My brother and his wife are pulling him out of that hell hole, but before that they tried talking to the teacher and school administrators about the situation. What they were basically told was "tough shit; you're kid will just have to learn Spanish and his education will suffer because we're not going to require the students to learn English, and we're not going to place those students in ESL classes, even though ALL of the state exams are in English, and English is the language in which your kid's academic future will be based. If this negatively effects you and yours, I don't care." My brother and his family didn't just stick him in some Mestizo school; the school was traditionally Black but their neighborhood has is now virtually all Mestizo, after only ten years or so. This attitude of "we come in and force you to accomodate us instead of trying to adapt to your established rules, language, and culture" is common wherever Mestizos take over.
quote:As far as Mexican men and women waving their flag, you actually expect them to do something Black folk don't do in large numbers, We don't wave the America Flag today, did not wave it after 9/11 and yet you want Mexican men and women to wave the America flag?
I have no problem with immigrants displaying their national pride or not waving American flags. What I do have a problem with, however, is them intentionally waving the flag of their own countries on our national holidays as a way of basically saying "Fuck America". This isn't speculation on my part. I actually am fluent in Spanish, and have had Mestizo neighbors, and on Independence Day it was common practice to hear "Viva [El] Mexico" (or less frequently El Salvador) accompanied by disparaging remarks about the United States. If you don't wanna wave the stars and stripes, fine, but don't sit there and insult the country which has given you so much. It can't be that bad if you have to sneak in and then refuse to leave.