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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
I don't know any other way to say that any plainer than that.

So I'll just leave it there. Smile


Well I'm glad to see you've changed your mind about just "leaving it here"....welcome back...

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
I do understand but do not share your sentiment on this subject. Your point about political pandering notwithstanding, it is my belief that -- considering the fact that Black people are the most hated race of people on the planet – we should embrace meaningful offerings of friendship without the prerequisite of regarding race (i.e., Bono's personal campaign to help African people on the Continent)... and should condemn individual acts of transgressions against us (i.e, Clarence Thomas' voting record) from both without and within the Black community.


Again I completely understand what you are saying....no one is suggesting that Blacks decline anyones overtures for friendship, assistance, etc based on race...That is NOT what I'm referring to...You just seem to be morphing what in actuality is SOLIDARITY with the BLACK RACE ...to the point that you cannot distinguish the two...I'm here to tell you that they are DIFFERENT...You also seem to be repeatedly misinterpreting my acknowledgment that CT is indeed a BLACK MAN as some type of support for him which is completely laughable...

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
To that end, I think we'd be much better off if we took a more intellectual and unified approach towards to whom and what we give support to, instead of trying to limit ourselves by splitting such a decision strictly down racial lines.


Who's disputing that?....I really believe we are talking about two different issues here..you keep trying to make this into a discussion about who does and who does not "have our back"..I'm just simply referring to our RACIAL identity these things are not mutually exclusive....

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
But since you brought Bill up, let's talk about him for a moment.

First, let me say that as to whether or not the Clintons turned into racists during the campaign is subjective and a matter of opinion, and I have no desires of reviving that debate here, now or ever!


Great..and neither do I...I just brought up old Billy Boy to make a larger point which is.... that Blacks should be more circumspect regarding who we cozy up to...sure there will be those who have a genuine interest in helping us..however I think we would be wise to question their motives and find out 'what's in it for them'...we know not to trust Blacks like CT..but non Blacks with ulterior motives that inflitrate us by gaining our unconditional trust can do far MORE damage....

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
Secondly, I can't imagine that anybody who took to calling him the "first Black president" took it seriously enough to think he was Black or anything remotely like that! The term was a given to him as a figure of speech ... it was ˜tongue-in-cheek' and meant to signify his continuing acknowledgement of African America and our particular issues on a public level ... which NO President before nor since (nor any candidate in this election) has been willing to do as openly as he did.


Of course no one thought he was Black in the literal since...but from the stand point of us being comfortable enough to let our guard down and embrace him as 'one of our own' the effect is still the same...

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
A lot of Black folks these days are real quick to recite the negative impacts to African Americans which came out of the Clinton Administration (and, yes, there were quite a few!) But there were positives also that go unmentioned because they don't contribute to the hate party ... such as the expansion of the Black middle-class during that period, which affected millions of Black families; the increase of Federal financial aid so that more Black students were able to attend college than ever before; the appointment of more African Americans to administrative posts than any previous (or subsequent) Administration; the creation of millions of jobs that largely benefited Black workers (who as you know are always the last hired and first fired) lowering the Black unemployment rate to single digits (the lowest on record) and raised the minimum wage (with a second increase asked for, but denied).


Sure there were benefits to Blacks under the Clinton years...but he wasn't the only Potus that did something for Blacks...(heck LBJ signed the first civil rights bill but I didn't hear MLK call him a 'soul brother' because of it) to the extent that he was specifically looking out for our best interest we should be thankful...There is a line however and just because someone does a good deed for you does not mean you owe them your undying love and devotion for all time...Just be thankful and keep it moving..because Lord knows that whatever Clinton did for Blacks he also benefited in some way....So lets just call it even no need to call him 'Black' because of it...even in jest.

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
The fact is, Black people don't have a lot of friends/allies. We still don't have very many ˜people in high places' of our own and don't do much to help or support those few that are there and are actually working in our favor (i.e. the Congressional Black Caucus). IMO, especially politically speaking, it's not so much we are appreciative of the pandering of Whites because we want to be accepted ... it's because we don't have much choice, for one, and because it's such a rare occurrence. I think we appreciate being accepted ...or at least, the appearance of it, which is more than we usually get.


No agruments there which is why I also stress Blacks having their OWN agenda aside from this socio-economic frame work which clearly means us no good....I also believe that to the extent that Blacks have friends/allies outside of the parameters of our race we should make sure that we are receiving a proportionate amount of help from them as benefit they are getting from us. We should also stop allowing our community to be the stepping stone of people who simply want political expediency...How many times has it happened that some politician has become the darling of Black people by 'championing our causes' as they rode our backs to power..only to renig on their promises once they got to where they wanted to get?...I say Blacks start HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTIBLE....why give up your goodies so quick with NOTHING to show for it?

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
And race is no determiner of who may or may not stab you in the back. Just ask Ward Connerly ... who is dismantling Affirmative Action ˜for our own good'. You can call him ˜brotha' if you like ... but I have other choice adjectives to describe him and others of his kind.


I think I already answered this...but just to reiterate once AGAIN...no one is saying that every Black person is to be trusted...The thing that I'm saying is that Blacks should stop being so nonchalant regarding their RACIAL identity. That's one of the reasons that it's so easy for men like CT and WC to function the way they do. If Blacks took more pride in our common bond which happens to be our RACE we could better deal with those of us who would seek to betray us. Just look at the so-called 'Jews' do you think they would tolerate one of their own acting in ways that was detrimental to the GROUP similar to a CT?...Hell No..that individual would be ostresized and alienated something terrible and they would do it by REMINDING that person that he was ONE OF THEM not by deluding themselves into thinking that simply because he's going against them that he was somehow less Jewish. The untapped power that Blacks have is our abilty to see ourselves as a GROUP and we comprimise this when we bestow Blackness on any and everyone with whom we find favor....until Blacks understand this they will continue to get what they get which is... those who don't mind rolling in the hay with us as a people....but when the fun is over all we have left is a good feeling but no ring on our colllective finger....
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