quote:Originally posted by EbonyRose:
"Semantics" you say?
The fact of the matter is that NO OTHER race of people in the world had their identities extracated from them the way that our people did.
Black people in America are the only one's who struggle with their identity because we are the only one's who were asked/told/beaten into being somebody else once we got to these shores.
We left Africa as Africans. And we arrived here as Africans, as well. Within time, we were terrorized out of all vestiges of our history, culture, language, knowledge, and memory of self. It is disingenuous to me to reduce the struggle to re-establish and find definition of our sense of identity to "semantics." We didn't "lose ourselves" or opt for a "make-over" for a lack of anything else productive to do.
The Japanese, Mexican/Spanish, even Native Americans have an entire history they can follow backwards for a millenia (or two). The Black/African identity is the only one cut off and separated at two different shores with nothing but the blank void of the Atlantic in between.
So, our 'state of mind' was not the formation of some "political B.S.", as you call it, because we had nothing better to do with our time. There was a necessity to establish ourselves to the best of our ability for the sake of both our own sanity and survival.
Perhaps you believe that we've ultimately got it all wrong ... but, considering the circumstances, and IMO, we deserve a hell of a lot of credit for what we have accomplished to that end thusfar.
ER while I appreciate your soliloquy reciting our ordeal to find an Identity (really I do) it just doesn't have anything to do with the point that I was making. You stated that CT was not Black or that you "knew whites blacker than him fo' sho" I disagreed based on the premise that we should have more pride and integrity with regard to the label that as you stated our ancestors worked so hard to create for themselves.
Part and parcel of that is to not be so willy nilly with who we bestow the hard fought label of Black on. So when I see Blacks trying to deny Blackness to someone who is obviously Black like CT...and then turning around and bestowing Blackness on those who are obviously not simply because of their beliefs...that's where the political B.S. comes in...
Now ask yourself a question if those ancestors that you cited saw CT and your white friend who you claim is "Blacker than him"...do you think they would agree with you? Just because of CT's and your white friends political beliefs?....I'm more inclined to believe that they would beg to differ with you on that.....and so do I.