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Originally posted by Nmaginate
My reasoning is CLEAR, PLAIN and, by all appearances, UNASSAILABLE.


I'm not really looking to come in between your little skirmish with Roarin, Nmag... however as someone who does think that Obama's lineage is a potential factor in his policies I feel obligated to express why I feel this way....Also while your points on this are quite good they are far from UNASSAILABLE as I will demonstrate with the follwing comments you made...

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Originally posted by Nmaginate
Because of that, I have no idea what you think a "GENUINE BLACK MAN" is and what a "GENUINE BLACK MAN" understands. You tying that sh*t to a person's familial heritage and acting like there's some hard and fast rule to something like that is bs.

That's my reasoning in a nutshell.

From what we know, Frederick Douglass had a White biological parent and you would have to have some real "GENUINE" mental problems, no matter what your ideology, to say Douglass wasn't a GENUINE BLACK MAN.


I believe that your evocation of Frederick Douglas into this is a bad example...here's why...True by all accounts Frederick Douglas did have a White father however this issue is not solely based on biological lineage but also how he was reared. Unlike Obama Frederick Douglas probably had little to no contact with his white side of the family. He was born in a time that racial lines were clearly drawn so ALL he could identify with was his Black side. This was the basis in which he became such a strong advocate for our people.... one can only speculate as to whether or not he would have been the same had he been embraced by his white side of his family the way Barack was. If he had been THEN comparing him to Barack would be more accurate and we would be comparing apples to apples. For Baracks part even he admitted in his book 'The Audacity of hope" that he struggled with his identity so it's safe to believe that this has the potential to shape his world view and subsequently his policies....Although I'm not of the opinion that he will be out to hurt Blacks on purpose of course I do believe that he will feel more pressure to appear even-handed than a comparable white would so he may be a little tougher on Blacks policy wise....as expressed by his 'Black Responsibility' speeches.

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Originally posted by Nmaginate
Clarence Thomas is damn near blue black with no White parent(s) and I doubt you would classify him as a GENUINE BLACK MAN despite the racism he witness and faced in his formative years, etc.


I always have a problem when people make this argument regarding Clarence Thomas' Blackness...or questioning if he is a 'Genuine Black Man'.... Let's be clear I personally totally disagree with Clarence on his views and I would debate him into the ground on them. However, what is NOT open for debate as far as I'm concerned is his Blackness... he is still a Black man no matter what his views are because that's what God made him. I hate when people equate how "Black" someone is with their views as if Blackness is an oppinion, state of mind, or belief system...it's NONE of those things it's WHAT we are not how we feel about a particular issue. That's part of the reason Blacks don't have much as a people to call their own because they are so quick to bestow things that should be uniquely theirs on others... up to and including the RACE itself...

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Originally posted by Nmaginate
Shelby Steele has a White parent. I'd put him in the same category as Thomas but Shelby's brother, Claude Steele, from the same Black/White union is the polar opposite of Shelby philosophically.



Claude Steele is no more Black than Shelby they are both BI RACIAL one just identifies more with his black side and the other just identifies more with his white side that's all...and Clarence is BLACKER than them both NOT because of what he believes but because of WHO he is... don't forget that.
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