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Reply to "Not Modeling The "Model": The New White Flight"

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i grew up in the south bronx and still go to visit family. and i'll guarantee you most of the kids i see walking around aimlessly don't have parents at home drilling home the notion of a good education. those kids aren't being told...if you're not educated you're dishonoring family and the african-american community.
But, NEGROLOGICAL, do you realize you assigned that behavior to "Black Americans" generally... As in MOST of us, if not ALL of us. What's problematic, IMO, is that the sentiment seems so is symptomatic. Which is part of the reason for my thread on Accumulated Knowledge.

The funny thing about all this, these supposed critiques, is how they have ignored what was plain to see in the article. ALL ASIANS AREN'T LIKE THAT... and those who are AMERICANIZED are, demonstrably, less so. But never an opportunity missed due to this weird drive to "critique" and justify it no matter what.

N-Logical, you jumped right in with the stereotyping and since you could attest to one person who fit the stereotype, you felt justified in using it to effectively berate Black People. That's what you communicated whether you intended it our not.

FYI, stereotypes work both ways. You can discredit and you can also give too much credit or overstate things, as you did.

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it was a critique based on my observations.
But surely you know your observations are not universal. In other words, no matter how much "truth" there is to what you've said (about your observations from where you've grown up, and I doubt you've come to know a representative sample of ALL Black people) it is hardly true in the way you've expressed it.

For your experience, KWELI holds up his experience. Now, you want to tell me that just because KWELI observed or experienced what he did that his experience is somehow representative just because it's "based on his observations."

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we have to excersize our own demons and shortcomings.
And part of our own demons is this "I beat you because I love you" mentality. BROWBEAT is more like it. All these sentiments, as "valid" as they are, are overburdened, overladen emotions that really communicates something other than "I want us to do better."

Part of our own demons (those who express these exasperated sentiments) is this magnifying of our "shortcomings" into capital offenses without referencing our situation, as it is, in context.

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we not only have to deal with social marginalization and disenfranchisement but we have to excersize our own demons
But in all of our critiques and "exercising", how is it that so many of us treat those things as if they are unrelated?

The so-called phenomenon of "Acting White"... with a history where education has been deprived and an on-going situation where quality education is still being undermined... somehow we are suppose to be superhumans who jump in leaps and bounds and act as if we are uneffected by the world around us and the forces that work against us.

Obviously, few are critiquing their own critiques for the realistic expectations as opposed to the "should be" variety that takes little into account as to why things are as the are, what progress has been made and/or why more progress does or doesn't seem likely to come (fast enough).

If we're going to talk about responsibility, then where is the discussion of what it will take to realistically turn things around or TRANSFORM them, as CON-Feed would say, in the way people suggest?

See... I find that conversation lacking. So, IMO, the degree of responsibility sought by those concerned is questionable. And that, not as a mark against them questioning their Love of Black People, but questioning their (our) ability to go beyond emotional reactions to [some of] our "shortcomings" and the simplistic thinking about effective and practical solutions.

"Just Say No!" was an empty campaign. Likewise, "Value Education" hardly speaks to how to do that. How to maintain that. What it takes to do that, etc. Part of those "demons" in some of our people rests in their own lack of education... And that is intergenerational.

How many of those Asian parents have comparative educational backgrounds/accomplishments as the Black families you reference? Is it a legit comparison?

Asian parents who are doctors, etc. compared to Black parents who work at a factory if at all?

Who would you think would have the ability to hold their kids, on avg., to a higher standard? Black parents or the Asian parents?

Also, if we're going to talk about Black "People" then we have to talk collective solutions and interventions and not just individual ones.
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