Originally posted by Rowe:
_Immortal Logic: I know that juvenile little things like this are not only beneath you... _
Rowe: Thank you, but I will decide what is beneath me.
Am I right in assuming my statement had you bent out of shape? What I was implying was, the few post of yours that I read of yours were well thought out,and most articulate. So I don't see what the need for retrograde name calling is all about. What do you hope to accomplish with it? What fruit will it bare?
_Immortal Logic: But if you're talking forced female circumsion, child scarafication..._
Rowe: As an outsider, it's definitely not your place to decide what is "right" for a group of people with whom you have no historical relation or cultural ties.
You seem to have missed the point I made, so I'll say it again. When you ENTER into a religion you have to give up certain aspects of your culture. If you are not entering, than don't worry about it. If you enter into Islam or judism than yes pork chops are out of the question. All religions have there guidelines period. And secondly how do you know I have no historical/cultural ties? In order for you to make that statement you'd have to know me personally.
More importantly, one cannot make judgements about what goes on in another group's culture especially when they are completely ignorant about that culture and its traditions.
Are you saying that I personally am completely ignorant to these cultures, or western society?
As far as African female circumcision is concerned, this ancient tradition is an anticipated and expected rite of passage for African women who come of age.
Anticipated by whom the men, or the females going to have their clitoris removed
This procedure is not done to simply tortue and demean women. This is a distorted, ignorant, and narrow-minded LIE about African traditions. For your information, Female Circumcision is an African tradition that is the equivalent of male circumcision,
O.K. and for your information, the equivalent of a female circumcision would be castration.
which is a common procedure performed in the West. Both FEMALE and MALE circumcision are practiced in some parts of Africa. And likewise, male circumcision is also very painful and completely unncesseary in terms of male functioning and reproduction, but even today, it is a commonly performed procedure in many hospitals in America because of TRADITION.
But when men undergo circumcision they loss their foreskin not half or more of the penis. I've read articles were female circumcision is so severe te women can no longer stand on there own and must be assisted or use a wheel chair, if you wanted me to post the article let me know and I'll see if I can find it. Women are'nt protesting for the fun of it. Also, culture is defined as "The totality of socially transmitted behavoir patterns characteristic to a people ." So to be a culture wouldn't all people involved have to be willing participants? If you have any article about african women being pro circumsion share it. And being that the bible is an African book,and many of Of the regions that practice this proceedure practice an older form of christianity, or it's forerunner which is still based on the bible. Or the koran, and female circumsion isn't in either what is your point?
Its so typical of Americans to fail to how certain traditions in their culture are similar to others. Once again!, their self-absorbed arrogance clouds their common sense and judgement leading them to make the most moronic and absurd observations about other people's traditions. They spread distortions and bad news about everyone else's civilizations while putting their own on a high pedastal.
No argument on that.
_Immortal Logic: I mean come on now, what is the probability of every world religion being right._
Rowe: What's "right" for you in your culture may be all wrong for me in my culture.Again, it is not your place to decide what is right for me and my people or anyone else's people for that matter.
1)Show me were I said it was my place to decide! If you'd read again you'd see I said, TO INFORM, and leave it at that.
And 2)The point you missed was almost every religion has it's own take on the afterlife so what are the chances of them all being correct. You have to make a decision and live with it!
WE will decide how WE want to worship and what kind of relationship that WE will have with the Creator.
That's right. But don't fault others for the sharing of concepts,teachings and beliefs. I CAN and WILL inform whoever I am told! That is one of the mandates I must follow. And if they decide to accept our reject...that is their choice.
It is not your place to do this for us.
Again, show me where I said it was.
You certainly would not appreciate it if I were to tell you that your religion is ALL WRONG
But is'nt that what you did basically. with you "religious nut" statement?
and that its traditions are PRIMITIVE, BACKWARD, and STUPID. SO DON'T DO IT TO ME! Treat people humanely, the way you and yours would want to be treated. Now of course I see nothing wrong in spreading objective wisdom of which anyone can certainly appreciate, such as "Respect Others," "Share your Prosperity With The Poor and Needy" or "Be Considerate of Others," but attempts to completely demolish, reorganize, and restructure someone's culture and traditions is not humane.
_Immortal Logic: The 3 major religions Chrisianity, Islam,and Judism all acknowledge the God of the bible and His story of creation! _
Rowe: According to major authorities on Theology and Religion Studies, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are considered the three 'Major Western Religions' even though ironically, all of these religions can certainly trace their heritage and history back to Ancient African wisdom and religions since African people are the first organizers of religion and the first to populate the earth.
Hebrew Israelites already live in this knowlege. Christianity is the teachings of YAH mixed with pagan roman beliefs, Islam with ancient sumerian/babylonian if I remember correctly, Judism with ancient Yiddish and I'm currently studying what else.
Therefore, any responsibility that the Muslim, Jew, and even younger Christian claims for being "spiritually enlightened" can be credited to ancient African people.
Are you directing this statement directly at me, or are you just making a general statement? Because if it's toward me show me where I said/implied otherwise
Thus, turning your noses up at them or looking down upon them if they are "religiously backward" is unneccessary.
1)Yet again, show me where I said/implied any of this at african people.
2)You put "religiously backward" in quotation marks as if I said it, if I did then post it. But since I did not do not attribute it to me.
And 3)You seem to go on the assumption that you have to inform me on the african orgins of spirituality, but in order for you to do so, you'd have to know to what extent my study on the subject. Which you do not.
If anything, African people can teach YOU a thing or two about how to worship and what genuine, authentic spirtuality is all about
And still yet again, you base your criticism on an assumption,of a person you've never met. What makes you think the teachings of YAH aren't african in origin? What makes you so sure that I am not currently, or have never been in contact with african peoples,for you to make that statement? Again, you are basing your argument on a speculative assumption.