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Originally posted by virtue:
Ddouble .... you attack me often...... for the same reason.....

not agreeing with you......


my statements always have to have some "veiled" attempt at something.....

nope....

sorry....

you don't know me that well....

my questions are simply that.......

an honest question.......

I jump out of threads to ask questions, because some people, like you for instance, are aggressive with their responses...... and I am not....... so the only way to get a question answered without taking a beating is to preface the statement with I'm leaving......

you don't know me....

but I don't like to argue....

I rarely do.....

it is obvious that the men here are VERY sensitive about seeing women half naked do lap dances and posing provocatively....... apparently if I think that this behavior is untoward.... THEN I HAVE AN AGENDA....

this is simply not true...

my position is not yours...... and the truth is..... that rather than engage me from my standpoint.... you brow beat the issue and make claims on MY intentions....

you never address the point you say you think I make.... you're upset that my position is "moral"...... and because it is so..... I somehow am trying to what? convert AA?

No.....

let me state my intentions for you.......

I truly don't understand how men can view half naked women gyrating sexually before thousands of men.... with the intent to stimulate them sexually and then say "these women are absolutely NOT sending a message of promiscuity"!

Now for the record..... I don't try to put words into people's mouths..... what I DO is COMMUNICATE..... and what that means is when you make a statement.... like every other human being ON THE PLANET.....I make an interpretation of what I heard..... just like you TRY to interpret my statements..... and then afterwards what happens is the person lets you know whether or not that is his/her position.....

But some of you do not do this..... you simply say I have an agenda.... I'm putting words in your mouth..... this is not "force" its an interpretation...

guess what?

I have a right to it.....

By the way I was frustrated when speaking to HB and had had enough of arguing over the issue all day.....

But if anyone knows me here they know that I usually treat EVERYONE with kindness..... and I NEVER attack..... my nerves were spent....

Frenchy and I don't see eye to eye on many issues..... but.... she KNOWS me..... and my persona..... I don't just respect her because her position is my own.... We have respect for one another because we value being respectful..... and its funny, that's all it takes for us to continue dialog......

so she was simply explaining things to others because she knows me..... not defending my position but MY RIGHT TO HAVE ONE.

I've been here for a year.....

I've been countered on my opinions by Nmaginate (harshly), Melesi, Rowe and once I've even ticked off MBM..... and I tick off AudioGuy regularly (smile Razz)..... but I have never taken any of it personally or felt like I was attacked for simply THINKING differently.....

With you and HB.... I do......

I feell like taking a moral stance is the issue with you..... not the moral value....

and what's interesting is I never really made a moral issue.... you all labeled it that......

I pointed out what I thought was an inconsistency.....

As far as KAI......

He is the new guy here..... but.... I know him..... and he is a very good guy..... he has never disrespected me and has always treated me kindly........ and in truth has never attacked anyone else on this board....... but.... I know he is a man first, a poster on a message board last (if that)...... and what he considers a good woman being attacked is a trigger with him..... I am grateful for his defense......

I do expect special treatment.... I expect EVERY WOMAN HERE to expect special treatment.... because its the value system with which I was raised...... and the special treatment is not one where my viewpoints are agreed with..... but simply my consistent kindness given extra consideration....

I understand where I come from is antiquated.... we've been liberated from men treating us with kid gloves..... and I'm sure there are many men that are all too happy to FINALLY be able to slap us around and justify it with the fact that we're just like them and deserve nothing different than what they would give their friends......

But I have always treated everyone here kindly.....

My outburst wasn't even an attack on HB.... but the ridiculousness of his POSITION..... I never attacked him PERSONALLY...... personal attacks started with him..... go back and read the thread..... He took it to a personal level........

But ddouble.... according to you..... I need to fight more often...... sorry.... I'm not going to do it.... I will continue to avoid unnecessary tension when I can..... and when I slip up.... I will try to rein it in as soon as I can.....

That's why I said Okay to your earlier response.....

Because I knew that's all you wanted me to say....

You just wanted to be right.....

But you aren't.....

As far as staying away from the Den.... I prefaced my statement initially in another thread with "I know I said I wouldn't do this but..." apparently I don't have the right to change my mind..... but I've changed it before..... the topic stimulated me enough to want to respond.....

I decided to act on my own will and post rather than make you happy and be consistent.....

But being consistent is not a problem for me.....

I'm tired....

I've never been hurt so on this board....

until now....

I'll stay away.....ddouble....

I won't change my position because you don't like it or think I have an agenda.....

I actually have a right to disagree with you and my position does not mean you are forced to submit...

but to your other point of being consistent and staying out of the DEN your wish is granted....

Peace,
Virtue


Wow! Don't know where to start. I always try to be direct in my dealings with anyone. If that is perceived as aggressive, I make no apologies for that. In fact, I think I go easy on people compared to other posters here - I usually try to remove deliberate venom from my posts. If you say you are not mincing words, OK. I won't accuse you of that again. But when a poster with an opposing viewpoint tells you what they mean, accept that as well.

I do think you attempt to use your gender as an unfair advantage. If you want special treatment, you have to give it as well. I'm sure your value system teaches you not to address men in the manner you have - but you've had no problem disregarding that. My responses to you changed when you no longer respected an opposing opinion without questioning a person's decency & morals.

In short, if you can't take it, don't dish it out...

This has never been about being right, that's the whole point. Right & what is moral is relative. Each person has their personal view of what's acceptable. I champion your right to present your vision of morality, but multiple posters (male & female) have told you that your issue is not as important to them. Not seeking the mass approval you were looking for (IMO), you started to lash out, again questioning people's decency. When I grow tired of your moral grandstanding (and arguing with you about it), you know what I will do? I won't moan & complain (or stomp out of a forum, vowing never to return again only to violate my word a day later; keeping your word is a virtue also!), hoping to have your threads & viewpoint tailored to suit my preference. I'll just avoid responding to your posts & stay out of any personally offensive threads you start. I won't make a public demonstration of it either. In fact, it will occur so quietly, you may not even notice my absence.

Kai is a big boy - I bear no malice toward him, but his hands are not clean either. For two people that profess to be enlightened & on the moral high ground, the two of you have spent a lot of time lately engaging in behavior very inconsistent to that tract.

If you stop frequenting this forum, don't try to pin that decision on me. I have the right to defend a position and any character attacks that may be launched against me. I respect your position & you don't have to submit - All I've asked you to do is respect mine & acknowledge that I don't have to submit either.

Be consistent before you question my consistency...
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