quote:Originally posted by Empty Purnata:quote:Originally posted by ZAKAR:
SO you trying to make MARCUS GARVEY, A BLACK ELITIST? REDICULOUS, WHO WROTE THIS CRAP?
I'm saying that the outcome of Garvey's political beliefs in reality was bad news for native Africans. When African-Americans moved over to Africa, they did so at the expense of the natives. Some saw themselves as superior to the natives and divdided up territory without regard to the natives.
That is largely because the folks who went bakc went back with a European/Western worldview. Precicely why Garvey said not EVERYONE should go back.
quote:In all honesty, what do you think a Back-To-Africa movement would yield? What if the Africans DON'T WANT US BACK? Do we have the right to force ourselves in anyway? What would we do once there? Would we assimilate into the native culture or keep our own? What if our own culture is not compatible with that of the natives? Would we leave or try to enforce it?
Are you serious?...Do "they" want us back? WTF are you talking about? There are over 3000 Africans from the West who have moved back to Ghana alone. I know and visited a few while I was there. Yes, I went to Africa... All the 'Natives'(lol) I met asked why don't more of 'us' from the West come HOME. "our" culture is but a branch on the tree of Africa. We should not go back to Africa if we see ourselves a not African. African 'culture'(which one you are referring to I do not know) is not that different from 'ours'...They are not seperate. We are not seperate. We are 'of' it. In fact, continental Africans have been so freakin' colonized for so long that many of the folks at home were more 'westernized' than I.
quote:Liberia was a good example of this. If you read further, Garvey believed that not every African-American should be allowed back to Africa, he believed that only an elite group of African-Americans should journey to the Motherland. That reeks of colonial/imperialistic thought. What would this New African "Elite" do?
I wouldn't want the average us/them ignorant ass African in the waste...I mean 'West' to go back home(and embarrass the rest of us) and screw things up even more like they did in Liberia would you?
quote:Marcus Garvey also called W.E.B. DuBois a "monstrosity" because of his racially mixed background. He adapted the European racialist view of race and tried to apply it to African-American geneology.
Marcus Garvey had his contradictions, but the only one that you have mentioned that is in any way valid was that he succumbed to infighting with W.E.B. DuBois...who at the time was an integratinalist and called him plenty of names too, BTW, DuBois later became a Pan-Africanist socialist and basically adopted most of what Garvey professed, and repatriated to Ghana...
You really need to do a serious read and study on Marcus Garvey, the UNIA, and Pan-Africanism(The UNIA was an INTERNATIONAL AFRICAN ORGANIZATION THE LARGEST IN HISTORY, it was not just in the US) I can tell from this thread you haven't. Garvey didn't even go to Africa while he was alive so how could he be a colonialist. Get books, don't just read off the internet.
This thread was highly dissapointing.