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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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I believe we're discussing liberal versus conservative. There has never been a time in American history when conservatives have been friendly to African American interests.


The very definition of "Conservatives" would have them opposed to change and the loss of power.


So - are you apologizing for conservative racism , classism, and oppression? Really? You're OK with being a conservative now while admitting that conservatives have been against the advancement of anyone other than themselves?

Conservatism is a self-centered, arrogant, fear driven ideology. It's so easy to cheat and steal your way into the lead, and then cry "conservatism" to try to retain your ill-begotten lead.

How do you rationalize and justify your support of this ideology? Beyond that, how can you, with any seriousness, expect African Americans to get behind this ideology? ek

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In this regard I call Jesse Jackson and others "contextual conservaties" when it comes to following a "By Any Means Necessary" approach to insuring that Black students have access to the best education distribution possible. THEY choose to DEFEND the Educational Establishment and the current power structure.


Huh? What represents a "by any means necessary" approach? Why is that conservative? Was it conservative when Denmark Vescey planned a huge slave uprising in Charleston, SC? THAT was 'by any means necessary'! That, however, had nothing to do with conservatism!

BTW - if you call choosing to work to FIX the public school system (as opposed to gut it) working within the "current power structure" - then so be it. Should black people just completely drop out of mainstream American society because it has not optimized our lot here, or should we work within the "current power structure"?

Not sure I understand your logic.

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Again - your very definition tells me that "CONSERVATIVISM" as a label REALLY MEANS NOTHING.


Are you being self analytical? I have not defined anything here. All I said was that conservatism has never been a frioend to black people. BTW - apparently you agreed.

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I AM A FEW STEPS AHEAD OF YOU - Please note that I have consciously asked you all to focus on EFFECTIVENESS in certain policies to have you achieve your stated goals rather than to hide behind LABELS!!!!!


Friend, perhaps this will sink in at some point in your stay with us. NO ONE HERE CARES ABOUT LABELS BUT YOU. THERE ARE NO MEMBERS HERE WHO BLINDLY SUPPORT ANY PARTY. Furthermore, Black America knows full well that Democrats are not THE answer. They are at the moment, however, the BETTER option!

Black people have already demonstrated their ability to vote their interests. As you know, when it was in our benefit to vote Republican - WE DID! When that was no longer the case - WE STOPPED AND VOTED DEMOCRAT. What would make you think we would somehow now be incapable of what we have already proven that we can do in the past??? Confused

Instead of bemoaning the lack of black support for conservative causes and ideas, why not work to create a set of conservative principles that are squarely in our interests?

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My question has been for the longest - "Did the Progressive Policies implemented by President Johnson and others build a stronger framework within the Black community or did it alter the fundemental relationship and interdependency between Black men and Black women and thus injure us at the CULTURAL level because there was no warning label on how MUCH to consume beyond what you really need for ASSISTANCE and be cautious of the TIME PERIOD that you consume it because you risk addiction and the loss of knowledge of how to operate absent this system?


So to you, the black family was pristine prior to Johnson? Johnson destroyed the black family? Ever heard of slavery? You know they bought and sold us like cattle then? Do you know that the black man is always 'public enemy number one' in America? Are the drugs that 'medicate' us grown and processed in the hood? Do you place any blame with regard to our current position here on America's over-all historical treatment of Africans in America?

Johnson responded to needs in America. How would you have responded to them? What would you have done differently?

Do you honestly think that Barry Goldwater would have been BETTER for us? Really?
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