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Reply to "Jamie Foxx Asks Governor Swarzenegger For Clemency of "Tookie""

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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
His gang he gets the credit for the creation of the Crips. He's still considered the spiritual father of the gang hence the vengence should he be executed.

Depends on what you mean by "concept of gangs" In broad terms gangs have been around for thousands of years.
The Mafia, The Hell's Angels, The Banditos, The Bloods, Yakuza, Tongs, sure they all started as nice social clubs then they went off the rails and started victimizing their own people.


I can't speak with any authority on whether those gangs began as social clubs, so I won't 'spute your word on that.

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Yes killing only begets killing- yes if you kill my family then expect that I won't turn the other cheek. If blacks started killing whites then expect that the white would return the favour. I am not seeing the difficult concept here.


I would, however, like to get into the concept of killing begets killing, also known as violence begets violence.

When it gets right down to it, the concept of killing for monetary gain is a matter of US foreign policy -- in matters of waging war, our national interests include the economic interests of multi-nationals. Have you ever read the pamphlet by USMC General Smedley Butler? Here's a small sample:
    I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

    During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

Our government currently condones torture, uses weapons and strategies that kill (if not outright targets) civilians, yet dehumanizes the victims by referring to them as "collateral damage". The bombing of all of Afghanistan was vengeful and in pursuit of a relative handful of individuals.

The national debate about war after 09.11.01 was framed with the sentiment that if we do not do something, other countries will think we are "weak". A most high-schoolish rational for mass human destruction, but nonetheless, it was commonly heard then and is still used today by otherwise reasonable adults.

Finally, there's the small matter of violence against people of African descent by those supposed to protect & serve that is merely part of a continuum of violence against us and a veritable cornucopia of indigenous peoples the world over.

That being the case, it must be taken into consideration that the fish rots from the head down.

Gangs kill to initimidate, for revenge, over money-making turf (though that "turf" isn't owned by any of them) and to prove their mettle and that they aren't soft -- so I presume if movies and heresay are accurate. What they do is no different than what has been done by people in uniforms, and under the cover of written or a "higher" law, since the inception of this country.

Violence is a part of the American fabric, so it stands to reason that their violence beget Tookie's violence.


Just when does it stop?
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